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Dolphins OL Week 2

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Phoenician Fan, Sep 16, 2013.

  1. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    Who shined?

    Who didn't look so good?

    How was the unit as a whole?

    What to expect from them against the Falcons?
     
  2. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Tyson Clabo had a really mixed game, everyone else was pretty solid but unspectacular.
     
  3. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Jonathan Martin did OK. He had trouble with Robert Mathis at times but that is to be expected as Mathis is a good rusher. He did better in pass protection than he did in run blocking.

    Richie Incognito and Mike Pouncey were excellent, especially Pouncey. Pouncey's pulling was incredible. His force on power dive situations was much less so, but that is pretty much his weakness. Incognito had a great all around game, pulled some and did well with it, got great movement off the line of scrimmage, no pass protection gaffes.

    John Jerry and Tyson Clabo were both very poor. Clabo at least had a few good run blocks including on the screen to Mike Wallace. But he also had more pass protection gaffes than any other player.
     
  4. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    This line scares the bejesus out of me
    On this pace, it's possible Tanny will be sacked 72 times this season
    9 sacks in 2 games and 16 sacks in the past 3 games going back to last season

    For comparison the 1988 Miami Dolphins allowed the fewest sacks in an NFL season with 7

    I have a hard time believing Tanny will last a full season if this "defensive rape" continues
     
  5. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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  6. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    just relax, they need more time, we were also once on pace to rush for 368 yards this season
     
  7. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not sure the line should scare you so much as Tannehill's pocket presence.

    He's not really getting beat up, either. A lot of the sacks are second effort deals where guys aren't hitting him with a head of steam. There aren't a lot of unblocked defenders hitting the quarterback with a head of steam.
     
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  8. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    i think there will be no kroy bierman for the falcons, he hurt his ankle or achilles, the majority on a falcons board thinks he is done for the year
     
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  9. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Big blow if true.
     
  10. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Just to put the Tannehill vs. the line thing into focus.

    Per PFF, Tannehill is under pressure an average amount of his passing snaps(30%, or 17th), but has the league's worst % of those pressures translated into sacks(36%. For comparison #2 in the league is 26.5%). All 9 of Tannehill's sacks have come with him being in the pocket more than 2.6 seconds.

    It's very much Tannehill regressing in terms of pocket presence.
     
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  11. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Man, I love stats. I'm a big user of stats for analysis, but I also feel you have to take the context into account. Your stats tell me that Ryan is the most sacked quarterback as far as percentage of drop backs where he is pressured. What that doesn't tell me is how much pressure he is actually getting compared to others. From what I've seen in the two games, Ryan gets a lot of pressure where it is essentially Katy Bar the Door type situations. Yesterday on the questionable fumble, he was getting pressure from both edges as well as inside. He had nowhere to step up into, and he had no outlet to escape the outside pressure.

    On the 34 yard completion to Mike Wallace late in the game that set up Charles Clay's TD run, Ryan was pressured around the edges, but had a solid pocket to step up into. He did, and he completed the pass for a big gain.

    I don't see the "pocket presence" issues that you are seeing, WADR. Like I said, I don't see many times where he's getting taken down by one rusher. There was only one instance in yesterdays game where Indy got a coverage sack on a play where Ryan should have just simply thrown the ball away.

    Most of the time, we are making quick throws and getting the ball out. Ryan is 6th in the NFL right now in the % of his passes that are thrown in 2.5 seconds or less. Of course, because of that, we have fans complaining that we aren't utilizing Mike Wallace's deep speed.

    The offensive line is definitely much more of an issue in pass pro than Ryan's presence is.
     
  12. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'd disagree. I think it's bad in general, but I think it's especially bad by the standards he's set in the past. Last year Tannehill did a very good job throwing the ball away rather than taking sacks, and we've seen him do some exemplary performances avoiding pressure in the pocket. When he decides to take off, he's quite slippery, he's just not taking off as much.

    I think he's very much being coached to stay in the pocket, which he seemed like he was at times last year. Maybe they're hoping he completes some Big Ben style deep passes to Mike Wallace. Maybe they don't trust him to make good decisions when he scrambles outside of the pocket(He very much seems to like to force passes to someone coming back to the ball on the sidelines).
     
  13. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    As a very big tannehill fan ill admit, this is where he gets stupid. Wouldn't surprise me at all if that's wh.
     
  14. Gunner

    Gunner Rock Hunter

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    Big picture we had a lot of holes on this team last season and were able to fill some of them in one off season while also adding to a position of strength. My preference would have been to upgrade at left tackle in the draft, but I am not going to complain about having Dion Jordan. We got younger and arguably a little better at LB. We added depth at CB, although its not evident due to injuries. Two new WRs has made a nice difference for our passing game along with Clay's awesome play the first two weeks. Anyone who would suggest drafting a Kicker in the 5th round was a waste of a pick might have some merit to their argument, but I love me some Sturgis.

    Looking at positions of weakness going forward, I would think O-Line will be a major target next off season, at least that is my hope. Other than that, depth at LB, an upgrade for Thomas at HB, and would love a play maker across from Jones at safety. One big thing hanging over our head could be DT if both Starks & big Paul walk after the season as rumored.
     
  15. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    I think what concerns me the most is that we aren't really talking about Martin very much and he was arguably the target of what fans and talking heads alike thought would be the weakness of this OL. Is Martin more solid than a lot of people thought or are JJ and Clabo that much of a weak link that we don't see the Martin issues ??
     
  16. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    it will take two more games for the the offensive line to hit it's stride. the weakest link I see is right guard.
     
  17. Nappy Roots

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    On 2 of the fumbles, Ryan could of easily stepped up in the pocket, exactly like Luck had show cased all game. At this point that's the only thing keeping me from saying definitively, I would rather have Tannehill then Luck.

    Also, I thought Clabo was brought in with the assumption that he was still a good player? He's been routinely beat on the pass rush in the first two games. Disappointing.
     
  18. KB21

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    Up front, Clabo and Martin have given up 8 pressures in 82 snaps, Jerry 7 pressures in 82 snaps, and Incognito and Pouncey have given up 1 pressure each in 82 snaps. We have issues everywhere but LG and C.

    Plus, in 25 pass blocking situations, our running backs have given up 4 pressures and 2 sacks.

    So combined, our backs and line have given up 29 pressures in 82 drops. The tight ends combined have given up 1 pressure in 27 pass block situations.

    So in all, 30 pressures have been given up by our blockers, but Tannehill has only been pressured on 25 snaps. So, there are multiple snaps where he is getting pressure from multiple areas, and I would bet that most of his sacks have come in those situations.
     
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  19. djphinfan

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    Before we signed Clabo a lot of folks were saying he would be an excellent acquisition, they pointed out pro bowl play etc, once I looked at last years reps, I don't know what folks were excited about, I mean I know we were desperate, but this guy is an average player with limited mobility and strength and from what I can see, the body is atrophying quickly.

    Right tackle is a huge need next year, high draft pick or young free agent, I'm thinking free agent.

    Jon Martin is an improved left tackle.
     
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  20. KB21

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    I think the draft is the most likely and safest route. Good tackles don't typically get to free agency, and I don't want to overpay for someone that isn't going to be a marked upgrade over what we have. Plus, we have a potential salary mess to sort out down the road, so I'd be frugal this offseason with my spending.
     
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  21. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Agree all the way, but I think Guard gets looked at in FA.

    Clabo looks STIFF as a board out there.
     
  22. isaacjunk

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    Didn't ck just do a nice analysis on Tannehill's seconds before pass release being very low ( most throws under 2.5 seconds )? I think the key stat to look at is this one, how much time is he getting on the sack plays ( i suspect rather low ). If he's only getting even 3 seconds before getting hit, you cannot really blame him. Sure, maybe an elite qb may Houdini out of it, but then you're blaming someone for not having a great trait, instead of blaming the folks up front for not being at least average at their jobs.



     
  23. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    How do you see this line matching up against the Patriots? Will they be able to give us a chance to win? Sorry people, I'm obsessed with beating the Patriots.
     
  24. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    I was one of the guys excited that Clabo signed here, but just from name recognition. I'll tell the truth, I'm not impressed.
     
  25. 72 Dolphins

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    Ask yourself, with a good offensive line, do we put up 23 and 24 points or more like 34 and 35 points.
     
  26. VanDolPhan

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    Got to wonder how long we see such a poor right side before we see Watkins and Yeatman.
     

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