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Breaking Down How the Dolphins Used Mike Wallace in Week 2

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ckparrothead, Sep 18, 2013.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Anger at the coaching staff for their game plan does not imply an irrecoverable relationship or any hard feelings. He felt he should have been a bigger part of the game plan and he was angry about that, and he repeatedly and consistently deflected any and all questions by the media to the coaching staff and told them to ask the coaches.

    I mean, come on. Let's not dip into useless semantics here.
     
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  2. Stringer Bell

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    Why should the performance of the coaching staff not be discussed?

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  3. Two Tacos

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    I fully admit it sounds like a semantics argument, but being made at someone is not the same as being angry with someone. I'm going to let this go with that.

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  4. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    I very much disagree with the infamous sentence, but this was a great breakdown otherwise
     
  5. Fin D

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    Who said that it shouldn't?
     
  6. ckparrothead

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    Hah, ok. I think I see what you're trying to say, but I do find the nature of this argument kind of amusing as I'm sure you do with me not getting it.
     
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  7. ckparrothead

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    Alright I'm dropping this subject because I don't want to turn this into yet another pissing contest. There are individuals who have made it clear over the years that they don't like me and will look for any/every opportunity to stick in a dig here or there. Usually I don't see anything those individuals say because of the ignore feature but in this case there was some quoting that allowed me to see it and I allowed myself to get baited into the topic.

    It was a question that came about because of the FILM and not because of any previous narratives that were laid down. I saw things on the FILM that made me question what the cost was of making Wallace such a featured part of the game plan. It would have been in my opinion irresponsible to not represent both sides. As things stand I think the article already came out FAR more onto the reverent side than the critical side of the spectrum, and you will notice I made a very strong suggestion in the Conclusion that even if there were some costs associated with the move to get Wallace more involved, one could easily argue the benefits outweighed them.

    It was a very minor part of the article. The fact that 90% of the discussion in this thread has been de-railed into that very narrow rivulet of the article is not really coincidental and that's why I'm bowing out. With that I'll be dropping the subject and if anyone else wants to discuss any other portion of the article, I will be happy to oblige.
     
  8. Claymore95

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    I remember when watching it, thinking "wow, that's Pouncey blocking down near the goal-line, how did he get there that fast!". He's a 'guid yin' as we Scots like to say. :shifty:
     
  9. TiP54

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    Great write up, Chris.
     
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  10. Fin D

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    oh for the love of god. This has nothing to do with you being persecuted. I've said repeatedly that your analysis is so good you don't need that kind of controversy seeding question.
     
  11. vt_dolfan

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    Here's what I would really like to know. Can you apply how he was used against the Colts.. To the upcoming Falcons game. Because according to Wallace.. Alot of the increase in production came from opening up his route tree.. And letting him run routes he never had run before. If that's the case.. Then I see this as a major development.. And could mean so great things

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  12. Stringer Bell

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    Seemed to imply such when you said:

    Yes, it is a question to get people discussing whether the staff is inept, or competent, or somewhere in between.
     
  13. Fin D

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    Sure, if you take the context of it completely away and pretend I'm speaking in a vacuum.
     
  14. vt_dolfan

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    Can we just get back to talking about Wallace and the Phins. There's some great stuff here.. That we can build on in the coming weeks.. I'd hate to lose that

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  15. Finrunner

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    Really good read, analysis, and graphics. Enjoyed it immensely.

    With regard to the question of the benefits outweighing the cost... that's a tough one. I always like a free TD (if Miller would have caught it and housed it) when I can get one, and Tannehill scanning the whole field, seeing Miller, and hitting him probably would have meant more to me, immediately, in terms of Tannehill's growth. However, it's probably a short term versus long-term question, and over the haul, the adjustment the coaches and our quarterback made to get Wallace the ball -- and have him run the various routes he did, and be rewarded for running them -- are probably gonna have bigger payoffs than the one touchdown we would have produced looking for the wheel route in that instance. Not to mention, it could have been detrimental to the team to have Wallace upset a second consecutive week. It's only my opinion, but despite Tannehill's rhetoric to the contrary preceding the game, I do think he wanted to get Wallace into the act early and often.

    I had mentioned in one thread before last week's game where I thought the Indy game and the media hype before it about Wallace kind of paralleled the pre-game rhetoric of the Tampa game in the preseason where the sportswriters (and fans) were highlighting the lack of chemistry between Tannehill and Wallace, and how I thought we'd see a similar outcome. The opening drives of both games featured Wallace and pretty much went according to expectations, at least mine in this instance.

    It'll be interesting to see how the dynamics play out going forward.
     
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  17. Paul 13

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    Real nice article CK. I had wanted to go back and see what happened on the MIller miss, but now I don't have to. It's pretty clear that Tannehill locks on to one target only. And if it's clear to us, you can bet the coaches will make a point to let Ryan know (they probably woke him up on the plane ride home and let him know). It's all part of maturing as a quarterback.
     
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  18. Samphin

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    Miller would have dropped it anyway...:shifty:
     
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  19. Finrunner

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    HA!!! I knew it!
     
  20. Oboy

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    I have to try to go back and read later. None of the pictures or diagrams are showing up for me.
     
  21. ckparrothead

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    I'm sorry about that. I really don't know why they show up for some and not others.
     
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  22. NUGap

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    I did a quick read last night when it was first posted last night and was impressed by the gifs indicating coverages, routes, etc - figured they must have taken a while to make (I tried to edit a video of 20 plays last night and almost killed my computer). However they're not showing up now. I tried Firefox/Chrome, Adblock On/Off, mobile browser, so I'm not sure. Anyway, an enjoyable article to read with or without graphics.
     
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  23. jdang307

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    It's called analysis. When your receiver pouts and wants the ball, a la Brandon Marshall, you have to ask, at what expense? He's not Brandon Marshall by a country mile, but as he showed last year in Pittsburgh, and last week, he gets upset when not involved. Not assumption. Fact.

    If you force it to your guy 10 yards out when you have two other guys running free down the sideline (hypothetical) you have to ask the question. There is also a flipside. If he's your #1 read, and he's open, you throw it to him. You are going to miss receivers no matter what. It happens.
     
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  24. ckparrothead

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    This is actually really concerning me. As you say, those GIFs weren't necessarily easy to create. It's safe to say that of the hours I spent on the article in total, about 50% of it (at least) was spent on the pictures.

    Just anecdotally it seems like a LOT of people are having trouble seeing these GIFs.

    And in fact, I just browsed onto it from my work computer, and no GIFs. No pictures whatsoever.
     
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  25. jdang307

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    Photos aren't showing up for me either.
     
  26. ckparrothead

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    I hit the option to Edit the article and went to the Add Media section which is where I can manipulate all the GIFs. They're all there. I can see them. But when I just view the article, I don't see them.
     
  27. Fin D

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    I'd think a lawyer would know what the word "fact" meant.

    Again, an entire week was sent spreading the narrative that you are still spouting as "fact", by the author. That brings motive into play. As for the actual scenario, I've said it more than once, many play have more than one player open, should motive of the staff be questioned every time? No of course not. All parties involved, denied that Wallace was mad at the staff. All parties involved said they would not force the ball to Wallace, including Tannehill.

    To believe otherwise, would be to directly believe, Philbin, Wallace, Tannehill & Sherman are liars and beyond that, petty.
     
  28. ckparrothead

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    For those that can't see the GIFs, try it now. I re-published it.

    I'm thinking that perhaps when my editor edited my piece and re-published it, the GIFs disappeared.
     
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    fixed it thx!
     
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  30. NUGap

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    I'm getting them now. I'm fascinated by the route GIF and the potential to be able to click on a route in a graphic like that and have it link to a video that shows the specific route/play from the game.

    Like this: http://draftbreakdown.com/video-passing-chart-devin-gardner-vs-notre-dame/ But for each individual play. I have no clue how one does that, but it'll be enjoyable when that's an easy feature for writers to implement.
     
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  31. vt_dolfan

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    Come on Bro.. Let's let it go.

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  32. jdang307

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    Most normal people do too.

    http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/3090560-85/wallace-yards-focus#axzz2fGCK5qW9

    From his own mouth. When he's not involved he gets upset. That's why it's tough to stay positive. Because he's negative. Like I said. Facts. Add this in with how he reacted with reporters last week it is a fact he gets upset when he is not involved. He went two quarters without a pass thrown his way. They targeted him a couple times after the half then he was not targeted much again.

    I don't see how you can deny this. He's admitted to it.
     
  33. Fin D

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    I had. Someone else brought it up so I responded.
     
  34. Fin D

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    Years ago in Pittsburgh. I was a conservative years ago.

    Again, you explain to me why Philbin, Tannheill, Wallace and Sherman are liars and petty.
     
  35. jim1

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    FWIW all the graphics appear to be working for me- the route tree shows up with the yellow arrows and the still photos, with the exception of the CBS still shot, are dynamic in slow mo with your additions. I'm assuming that the CBS still shot (3rd picture in the article, after the route tree) is just that, a still shot with no dynamics.
     
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  36. jdang307

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    This was last year buddy. December, not even a year ago. And last week. You can deny the facts all you want. The audio and video are quite clear.

    As for them being liars, are you seriously asking that question? Nobody's ever whitewashed team dissension before? I don't give a hoot what they're saying. Look at Wallace's snap's reaction after the game to see the truth. He was led away by Jeff Ireland who had his arm around his waist. You think Wallace wasn't mad? I have an island to sell ...

    Did Armando inject his own opinions and assumptions? Of course! Does that make the whole story false? No. MW was mad. You don't get led away from a joyous locker room by the GM for being too happy.

    EDIT: OK last stuff on this and I'm dropping it.

    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/09/10/3616859/dolphins-mike-wallace-is-ready.html#storylink=cpy

    Sounds like our Offensive Coordinator realizes he could do a better job getting #11 that ball eh?

    And judging from CK's analysis and breakdown of his routes ran this week vs last, there was a definite change. Was it because of normal gameplanning or from Mike Wallace's pouting? Who knows. We do know it changed. We do know Sherman last week said he could do a better job getting #11 the ball and this week they did. That's what we know.
     
  37. jim1

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    Wallace was pissed- who would want any less out of a stud, high priced WR? He was played man with a Safety over the top from what I saw- look at the indirect results of the focus on Wallace:

    Tannehill 272 yards passing

    Hartline 9 rec 114 yds 1 TD
    Gibson 7 rec 77 yds
    Clay 5 rec 54 yds

    Wallace drew the double team, as to be expected. But that double team included one of the very best CBs in the game in Joe Haden PLUS a Safety- much respect shown by Cleveland.

    Of course Wallace was upset- all of that doesn't take the sting out of a paltry 1 rec for 15 yards and getting bested by Joe Haden (albeit with help), and conversely Haden has to live with the sting of the loss despite his good game against Wallace. Would it have been better if Wallace didn't pout and mope? Sure. But the coaching staff played it right, Hartline and Gibson benefited by the threat that Wallace posed, and we won the game. My guess is that Wallace somewhat learned his lesson especially after a good game against the Colts (9 rec 115 yards 1TD- almost 2TDs) and he'll be better at taking one for the team in the future.
     
  38. ckparrothead

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    That seems a bit technologically advanced for me!
     
  39. ckparrothead

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    That's correct about the still shot. That one picture said all the words that needed to be said about that play, lol.

    Thanks for the input.
     
  40. invid

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    Article is always better with pictures! Nice work!
     
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