Browns receiver Josh Gordon is on the block per Schefter

And Matthews is showing he can ball.

 

they are not the same kind of player.

 

Exactly. That's sort of like comparing Bob Hayes to Raymond Berry. Both valuable and both play different roles.

 

You mean we can't just plug and play him anywhere like we can in Madden? Damn...

 

I like Gordon and if he was cheap why not but considering they've already turned down offers he's probably too expensive to consider. And WR isn't a big need position, never thought I'd say that with a straight face....

 

NO

 

If the best player on your offense is a running back, you have bigger problems than a stadium.

 

Lidocaine Viscous is more appropriate for strep pain, which can last for a few days.

I like the idea of inquiring about Gordon. Hell, since they're having a yard sale, what about Jordan Cameron??

 

if you go after any receiver from Cleveland it's the athletic Greg Little whom can be lined up inside & moved around, which I think would benefit us better than trying to convolute the receiving corps with another perimeter guy when Wallace, Hartline, and Matthews seems like a promising trio. Little was starting to come along during the second half of last year before being introduced to a new system this year, and IMO we could use a big physical receiver who can play inside and win the jump ball if needed since we're lacking a guy capable of such.

 

We have a better version of Little already on the roster in Matthews. Littles hands are awful.

 

Still sporting that little hard on for Little the same as when he was drafted I see.

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Who would you say our best offensive player is? I suspect he's on the offensive line.

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You know...the browns front office is a hunch of damn idiots. They lose to is by 2 scores...but yeah, we're pretty friggin awesomeness!

And they play in B-more really tough. Did a lot better than the damn Texans did there today!

And then they win on the road vs Minny!

Wtf!!! Way to jump the gun and tear apart a half decent team!!

 

Just going by my own experience. Strep is easier to get rid of than a viral sore throat. Once they took a culture, identified strep, gave me some antibiotics, the pain was gone in hours. Giving someone a pain reliever rather than killing the germ seems like a bass ackwards approach to me. I am not a doctor though and never played one on TV.

 

Browns gonna Brown

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Doesn't Matthews spent more time on the perimeter, mostly at split end?

 

Do you think Little is better than Gibson? I don't.

 

Really? Did I say let's jump all over him and send a high draft pick? IN case you haven't noticed, we have 4 receivers on the 53 man so don't go smugly acting like we couldn't use an addition AT THE RIGHT PRICE, especially when it was reported that we were prepared to draft Tavon Austin. You understand the concept of "at the right price", yes?

 

Hartline is the most reliable and consistent WR game to game that we have. No way in hell they are trading him. Hartline/Wallace are a great fit for each other imo. They compliment each others games and give you diversity. He is and will continue to be a very important player on offense for Tanny to rely on. Gordon may have better physical talent but I can almost guarantee he'll never have the mental game, knowledge or consistency that Hartline already has. As already stated they are to different players at their position. It comes down to value and 9/10 times Hartline will be the more valuable player imo. Especially on our team, right now. B Hart is Tanny's go to guy and that is big. Hartline is on pace to have his best year and is the kind of hard working, well disciplined player you want on the team. Gordon not so much.

With the way Matthews played today, I want him to get more reps as his upside is high. Gordon just isn't a fit with our team and what Philbin looks for in a player imo. The idea of trading Hartline for him is probably the silliest thing I've herd of in a while. This thread is a joke but I'm a Hartline homer and couldn't resist posting lol!

 

I trust Gibson more at this point, but Little still has upside, offers a physical aspect at the position that we're somewhat lacking, and at the right price I'd entertain adding an athletic guy like Little to our current quartet which is currently a Wallace injury away from being a depleted, average group. "Right price" being the operative word.

Plus the speedy Wallace having a groin injury flare up is slightly concerning, and we've already lost one veteran in Keller, so amidst what seems to be a promising season I don't see why we couldn't be proactive about ensuring we have solid depth at receiver when it seems like we may be needing to rely more heavily on the passing game than originally hoped. It doesn't HAVE to be Greg Little per se, but if Cleveland is having a fire sale and the price is right, I'd rather have a receiver on board now becoming acclimated rather than potentially scurrying through the waiver wire at the last minute like last year should there be an injury.

Even in a garbage offense with garbage QB play and after not playing football in 2011, Little still totaled 114 catches, 1356 yards, and 6 TDs in his first two years despite being greener than normal at the position, so even though he hasn't lived up to his 2nd round draft status to date he still produced more catches, yards, TDs, and 1st Downs than Hartline or Gibson's first two years. Not saying he should supplant them, but it's not like he's worthless either.

 

Discussing a possible trade for Gordon isn't completely laughable, but suggesting Hartline would be the package sent in return is. This isn't a freakin' video game. Aside from the cap hit that would occur as a result of trading Hartline, as well as the locker room devastation; we have to remember that Hartline is as important to Tannehill as Welker was to Brady. Ryan and Brian are football soulmates. Before Hartline's time in Miami is through, he will have caught many, many key, death-blow receptions via the arm of Tannehill.

I really wish we didn't let 13-year-olds post on this site.

 

If we trade for anything before the deadline we'd be better off getting blocking help. We got a fine group of WR's. We need time to get them the ball.

 

It could potentially ruin our season to trade Hartline for Gordon who would have to learn the playbook and use valuable season time trying to develop chemistry with Tannehill, and we all saw how midseason acquisitions worked out last year, as well as know how much of a stickler our head coach is about earning playing time via proper knowledge & execution of the playbook. Philbin would never sign off on this.

 

Agree. The trade would ruin our season IMO. Also I am pretty confident Hartline wont be suspended a year from now, wouldnt be able to say the same thing of Gordon. Last thing I wan't is to read a article that he failed another test and is out the year. Also it going to take a while to build chemistry. I mean Walt and Jesse weren't at 100% right away, it took them a while to get the purest stuff out there. Would be a total moral kill

 

yeah the known of Hartline in Philbin's offense, with Tannehill, and in regard to his character is greater than the unknowns of Gordon. Too much risk in this particular instance.

Now if Cleveland were to say a 5th for Little, I'd be on the phone yesterday asking what number he wants. I'd say yes for a 4th as well.

 

Absolutely. Do they have a left tackle, a right guard or a right tackle they want to trade for? First, if you give Wallace enough time to get open downfield, defenses are going to have a real problem. Second, you saw yesterday what Miller and DThomas are capable of when they get a hole.

We have done really well with the people we have, but the o-line is a problem that is going to haunt us sooner or later; I suspect in New Orleans or when the Ravens come into town.

 

Gordon is significantly better than Little. He's also 6-3 225 lbs., plenty of size for playing inside and winning jump balls, but Gordon is a blazer and deep threat that Little will never be. I liked Little coming out of UNC, but there is just no comparison between Gordon and Little. Gordon, personal issues aside, is a stud receiver with a big upside. Little is a receiver with good size who hasn't really shown much in the NFL so far.

 

That is the first time I have seen a complete sentence which is an oxymoron!

 

Don't need any receivers, I wish they would trade us Cameran though. He would be amazing on this team.

 

I wouldn't mind giving up a first for Joe Thomas.

 

Unless Gorden can play OL I don't think we look that way with all we've spent on WRs this offseason. And Matthews is still developing at this point...

 

Hartline, Mathews, Miller and a 4th for Gordon.


Make it hap'n, cap'n!

 

Throw in Fergie.

 

Naw... She can still sing with Mick on 'Gimme Shelter!"

 

"Our" as in the Browns? Their best offensive player is either Josh Gordon or Joe Thomas. Probably Gordon. They can survive without Thomas, but Gordon completely changes that offense when he's in.

It'll be interesting to see if Willis McGahee has anything left in the tank. He wasn't horrible the last time he had a legitimate shot.

 

I would say Josh Gordon is their most important offensive player.

The Dolphins' most important offensive player is obviously Ryan Tannehill.

 

I Think Cameron's more important to them.

Like was said above: Whats the asking price on Joe Thomas?

 

I don't believe Jordan Cameron is more important. I believe Josh Gordon is more important. His mere presence in the game changes the way defenses face the Browns, chances the things they can do.

Cameron's production actually blossomed even more when Gordon came back. That wasn't a coincidence.

 

Here's the way that I look (looked) at the Browns offensive key players/positions:

QB: Check (Weeden)
RB: Check (Richardson)
TE: Check (Cameron)
WR: Check (Gordon)
LT: Check (Thomas)

Most will probably differ regarding Weeden, but I still like him quite a bit and this is just his second year. Imo the Browns had a SOLID offensive skill position base- plus they had all those extra picks from the Julio Jones trade, have a good pass rush, Phil Taylor in the middle, Mingo was reportedly looking good before the injury. Don't forget Mitchell Schwartz at RT and Alex Mack at C on that offensive line.

Is this a question of getting the right guys in, or is it a question of the new FO getting THEIR guys in? Cleveland just got done rebuilding- and now they want to rip it all down again? How about taking this approach as an alternative: the Don Shula method. Take the talent that you have and design the game plan/style around that, not vice versa. You have:

A QB with a big, accurate arm
A stud deep threat at WR
A very promising, athletic and up and coming TE in Cameron
A LT who might be the best in the NFL
A RB (now gone) who was pretty darned good, and drafted #3 overall for a reason. Was that high? Time will, tell, but dude can run and is extremely strong.

So Rob Chudzinski and (gulp) Mike Lombardi, how about building a team around these quality pieces? How about a power running game to go along with a deep passing game with one of the best arms and best deep threats in the game?


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I'd send Chudzinski and Lombardi packing before I'd allow the tearing apart this team. And if any of the above players hits the market in a fire sale, I'd be right there in the front row with draft picks and my checkbook in hand.

 

Sigh...stop posting please. you're on quite the roll today. You criticize Ireland as usual, yet you suggest something stupid like trading Hartline for him? Hartline is Tannehill's favorite weapon. he has chemistry and makes impact. you don't trade that away, even for someone with Gordon's potential.