He's a rookie behind other young players. I imagine he'll play more during the second half if the rams don't pull their **** together. he too was one of my favorites. someobe here (fin d I think)mentioned said he was a dolphins fan growing up too. Would have preferred him over Will Davis for sure.
Man, I thought the same thing after seeing the Rams struggles go down this season. Tavon Austin has been a dud too but I think thats because of Fisher/style. I'm not sure why they suck so bad, I mean they have just as much talent on that team that we have. Bradford is a good QB when he isn't running for his life, but ask him to stay cool under pressure and hang in the pocket and complete a clutch pass and the guy goes all to hell. He reminds me of Jeff George in a sense but if Bradford had an elite offensive line in front of him and good wideouts to throw to he'd put up monster numbers. Either way i'm glad we aren't St.Louis and i'm glad Fisher is their coach and not ours.
I went over and over and over that in this forum a long time ago. Ultimately, when it comes to any player or coach outside of the Miami Dolphins, most people are going to pick one little piece of the facts, ignore everything else, and think what they want to think about them. It's like the old 'Marino doesn't have a Superbowl ring, so, he sucks' argument we hear from other teams' fans. Sure, if you really looked at it objectively, you'd understand that a Superbowl win is a team achievement, and Marino was just never on a good enough team to win one. He's still one of the best QBs ever. But, there's very little chance of ever convincing 99% of the non-Dolphin fans out there of that. Ultimately, they hold to the narrow view that if he doesn't have that ring... he sucks... so, there you go. End of argument. There's just no getting though most people's egos.
In the coach threads a couple of off-seasons ago I wanted Philbin above any other candidate, but I had Fisher as a preferable choice to Gruden and about even with Cowher. I didn't want McCoy at all. Personally, there was no coach I wanted to break the bank for or give both coaching and GM authority to. IMO Fisher is a decent coach, but not a difference maker.
Nah. I'm pretty sure we're looking at numbers to determine this guy is near the definition of unimpressive. Rings are among the last thoughts when considering Fisher IMO. Just look at his coaching record. But again I ask, what is it about this man that makes him a great coach in your eyes? Also no need for the Marino straw man, I don't know any serious person over the age of 8 who will seriously crap on Marino. Sent from my LG-MS770 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
That is not an accurate analogy at all. Fisher's lifetime NFL HC record is poor. That is a fact. That IS what you judge coaches by. He has shown an inability to adapt, hence accomplishing even less without McNair and George. He's never given any reason for anyone ot have confidence in his personnel decisions and is proving that this year...so far. I know you blame the owner and Gm for his failures with the Titans, but they are the ones that gave him the only duo he ever won with. Its fine that you respect the man and the job he's done, but more points to him being an average coach than an above average coach.
True, I'm not saying he sucks or anything, I'm just glad he's not our coach, just don't vibe with the way he leads and connects with his team, as in I believe there is a disconnect.
I always liked Fisher from afar. His teams were consistently competitive. I have a soft spot for coaches who do that. Modern guys like Cowher, Andy Reid, Lovie Smith, Tom Coughlin, or Mike Shanahan remind me of the greatest coach of all time, Don Shula. I preferred that type of coach to a Bill Parcells, Jon Gruden, Rex Ryan, Buddy Ryan or a Jimmy Johnson who could all win big for a short period, but couldn't sustain that level of success/commitment. For years, I was hoping that if Fisher ever got fired from Tennessee, it would be at a time that the Dolphins were looking for a HC. However, once it was looking like a great possibility that Fisher would become the Dolphins coach, I started looking deeper. And while Fisher's teams all played tough, solid football, and they never became a bad team, the more personnel power he got, the worse that team got. So I was happy when the deal fell through. Especially when it turned out that it was due to Fisher wanting more power over personnel. I'm surprised Fisher's Rams aren't more competitive, especially in his second year there. But I'm glad to be a Dolphins fan, for sure.
I was praying that the entire idea of Jeff Fisher coaching the Dolphins was a nightmare, with Robert Englund playing Fisher!
I'm thrilled with Philbin, and glad we don't have Fisher. But with all due respect to Fisher, it's very difficult to evaluate a coach when there are major concerns at the QB position, especially when those QB's are considered franchise caliber QB's or were taken very early like Bradford. Use Miami as a recent example. With a decent QB that spread the ball around, Sparano nearly won coach of the year. Obviously Sparano was not a good coach and his conservative approach to football was dying, but the point remains. With a QB we invested hope in and that showed flashes of possibly being a franchise QB, Sparano lost his job and Ireland was nearly run out of town. Look at Cleveland last week. They were practically buried and a scrub comes off the bench and makes enough plays to win big on the road. QB's are the difference makers in this league. Good QB's make plays. I don't think Bradford is a good QB, so it is very difficult to ascertain where the team is. However, I can ascertain that Fisher will be in the doghouse and run out of town if they sign Bradford to a long term deal.
By the way you can pretty much call Bradford a bust. Not a chance the Rams will ever catch up to the 49ers or Seahawks, and he is very average. I guarantee the Rams won't extend.
The guy won with Tebow, he's a ****ing genius. Seriously though I don't know why he's on his last leg, he's always been a good coach.
I never wanted to hirer Fisher to begin with, while he is a good HC, that is all he is, good we now have what appears to be a great one.
That's all mike McCoy.. I just have a different interpretation of good.....average, decent fits him better..
Hindsight is definitely 20/20. I was one guy clamoring for a proven head coach 2 offseasons ago. I wouldve been very happy with someone like Gruden/Cowher/Fisher, because those guys have track records, I had an incredibly bad taste in my mouth from the Cam Cameron and Sparano-led teams. But from the moment I heard that Fisher was leaning towards the Rams job because he had a QB over there, I was all for running far away from him. Sam Bradford is garbage, he does not have the talent and most importantly, the leadership qualities that the best QBs in the league have. To be honest, Tannehill in his 2nd year has shown me WAYYYYYYY more than Bradford ever has. If Jeff Fisher can't pickout a legit franchise QB, he had no business coming here anyways. The best move for Les Snead would've been to stand pat at 2 and take RG3 a few years ago and get out from under that terrible Bradford deal. Im glad its not our problem So, im glad Fisher has his REAL Quarterback in St Louis. I am also glad that Cook and Jake Long chose the Rams over us. Those guys are not winners. We dodged a HUGE bullet...
Meh it was all defense and special teams. The guy is good, its not really arguable, he's been successful everywhere he's been. To be great you have to win Superbowls but he's good. I don't know what the knock on him is, he hasn't had great teams he's a good coach.
Jeff Fischer, Jared Cook, and Jake Long didn't want to be here. I can't believe Long was able to squeeze out one more big money contract. He proved down here for two years that he was injured all the time and not playing well. Have fun with that St. Louis.
You just stated exactly what I'm talking about. Looking at Fisher's win/loss record, he's unimpressive as a Head coach. That's true... if you stop there. However, if you look deeper into the reason behind his record... as in, what he had to deal with and overcome in each of those seasons, you'd have much more respect for him as a head coach. Another analogy... Bill Belichick's record as HC of the Browns was 36-44. How accurate of an indication is that record to his ability, now, as a HC? If you looked strictly as his record you'd never have hired him in New England. Heck, look at Dan Marino's senior stats at Pitt. They were awful. 17 TDs and 23 INTs. Would you have just simply written off a college QB with those statistics? I wasn't talking about rings and Fisher. I was using the 'Marino and Superbowl rings' analogy to illustrate that you can't judge a guy (player or coach) based simply on his stats. Stats never tell the whole story. To get a good indication of what kind of player or coach a guy is, you need to look deeper than just a few of his stats. As far as what I think makes Fisher a great coach... he always gets the best out of his players. His teams always compete hard and play sound football. His teams have always overachieved. They rarely beat themselves. Fisher's players and coaches love him. He makes sound game decisions. Now, as far as his 'mediocre' record goes, a lot of that 'mediocrity' can be attributed to a poorly run organization by one of the worst owners in the league and a GM who had problems managing the salary cap. The Titans should have been a much worse team, and without Jeff Fisher as their head coach, I can pretty much guarantee you that they would have been just another sad-sack football team who always seems to be picking in the top 10 every year. That's no 'Marino straw man'... it's an analogy. In my experience, it's a fact. People poo-poo on Dan as a QB because he never won a Superbowl. I mean, really... it's a freaking cliche' at this point. Everyone knows that.
You sir, understand football. Great post. Fisher needs a qb. If he gets omne he will do damage in the nfc
By this logic, Dave Wannstedt was a franchise coach. He was bound for greatness at some point, despite the metrics. Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 4
Fischer is a terrible coach in todays NFL and was only average in his heyday. I'll say it again, I am so glad we did not end up with this man running our franchise. I'd rather turn the team over to some of the posters in here, who have a much better comprehension of what it takes to succeed in the NFL today. Only half joking. There is nothing behind the stats to look at with Fischer either. If you try, all you see is a mediocre scheme and a mustache The players loved Sparano too, doesnt change the fact he should be forced to enter NFL meetings with a protective helmet so he doesnt hurt himself.
I don't give Fisher any special consideration for his 'environment' in Tenn. He knew the situation and kept signing extensions with that team. Apparently he was fine working under those conditions. So what does THAT tell you. He was part of the process so he doesn't deserve to be given an out.
I never wanted him and wanted Philbin from day 1. Living in Iowa, I got to see first hand what he did for the Hawkeyes and then Green Bay. Everywhere he went, he has made his team and the unit he coaches significantly better. I'd much rather take a chance on a guy like that than a coach who has been decent but not great. I love the way Philbin carries himself, treats the players like men, has a come to work like attitude, his attention to detail and his ability to bring fresh, new ideas to coaching.
Fisher and Wannstedt are two different guys. To really understand them as head coaches, you have to throw the metrics out the window. The way Wannstedt handled his team, as well as his motivational tactics, were highly questionable. Fisher is the anti-Wanny in that respect. You can't measure things like that with metrics. There are no metrics. That's my point.
I dunno... maybe you just see two mustaches and see the same type of coach. Because other than that, they aren't alike. Not at all. This is exactly why I said that you guys THINK you know about Jeff Fisher... but, you don't. I live in Nashville. Being a rabid NFL fan, I guarantee I'm more familiar with Jeff Fisher than any other person on this web site. I go to at least a couple of Titans games a year, and I pay attention to the team. I certainly know my Phins better, but, I know how Jeff Fisher coaches his teams. If you think Wannstedt and Fisher are similar head coaches, you have no idea what you're talking about. Fisher never would have run Ricky into the ground... like Wanny did. Fisher never would have hung his hat on a sub-mediocre QB like Jay Fiedler... like Wanny did. Fisher never would have done something as downright dumb as hanging lobster traps in the locker room to motivate his players... like Wanny did. Fisher also handled himself like a confident and professional head coach instead of looking like a beaten man with no answers... like Wanny did. They are night and day. You are dead wrong.
Then what we're left with is you saying we need to disregard all the tangible evidence available and just accept that he's a great coach based on things that can't be seen, checked, recorded, evaluated, understood, experienced or even explained.
Fisher ran Eddie George into the ground. Fisher made many stupid mistakes as GM That wasn't downright dumb. People make too big of a deal out of it. Fisher looked like a beaten man during his last year as a Titan. Looks a lot like Wanny. Plus Wanny never went all childish because a GM drafted a guy he didn't want.
1) Baloney. Fisher had Eddie George and Steve McNair. It was a balanced offensive attack. Not to be compared with an offense featuring and ineffective QB like Jay Fiedler and a superstar RB like Ricky Williams, who carried the offense on his back... ALONE... for the entire season. The way Ricky was used and the way George was used was not the same. 2) So, what 'stupid' mistakes did Fisher make as GM? I'll mention that Fisher was not a GM, but an Executive Vice-President/Head Coach. Floyd Reese was the GM. However, let's ignore that. I'm curious as to what you think Fisher, 'as a GM', did that was so 'stupid' that other 'smart' GMs, who were not actually GMs, would not have done. 3) The players themselves said it was a dumb motivational trick. You think you know more about Jeff Fisher than a guy that was inundated with Jeff Fisher interviews, info, and first-hand observation for 14 seasons, so it's no surprise you'd think you know better than them, too. 4) Baloney. Fisher handled himself just fine, and never looked 'beaten'. He even left the organization with class, and never talked bad about them. Jeff Fisher on split with Titans: It's time Fisher 'went all childish'? Ok, now, you're just making stuff up. Fisher tried to coach Vince Young for what, 4 seasons? 5 seasons? Young proved himself un-coachable, and was the one who went 'all childish'. I was actually at the Titans/Redskins game when Fisher pulled him and Young wound up throwing his shoulder pads into the stands. Fisher was the epitome of patience, and tried everything with him. I'm willing to concede on honest criticism of Fisher. Everyone has their opinion. However, you calling him 'childish' just makes you lose all credibility, IMO. It illustrates exactly how much you do not know about him. Fisher is regarded as one of the classiest coaches/executives in the NFL. Famously so. I don't know what you guys think you're arguing about. You'd think one of you would admit that you're no expert on Fisher, and maybe... perhaps... there might be a smidgen of a chance that you don't know him as well as you think you do. But, you just can't admit it. Yup... jilted homers. That's exactly what you are. I am playing that card, and I have overwhelmingly won the hand against guys who don't even know they just lost all the chips they never had to begin with. But, whatever... Wanny and Fisher both have mustaches. Same guy, amirite?
How can I be a jilted homer if I didn't want him? I am not making anything up. I just see things different than you do. I am not impressed by Jeff Fisher. You can be, that is fine. I did not want him as the coach for the Miami Dolphins. I wanted Gruden. A coach that I feel that can actually survive in todays NFL. So far, Fisher is doing a pretty bad job as the Rams coach. They are a worse team then they were a year before.
Maybe we should start spreading these threads (Fisher, Broncos) out acorss the other forums just so the whole site gets used. I feel like people are going to stop visiting the other forums, which decreases activity. There are lots of good threads in those forums that don;t get seen or commented on, in part because no one feels the need to leave this one... this has become the livingroom where we are couch potatoes. lol. Or maybe it's just me, but I've been making a conscious effort to visit other sub-fora.
Yes, you absolutely did make things up. You said Fisher went all childish. It's ludicrous. So, now we're back to my original point. Let me spell it out as clearly as I can... again. I'm telling you that I know 1000% more about Jeff Fisher than you do, because I watched the guy coach for 14 freaking seasons. I was in the middle of it. You did not, you were not, so, have no clue as to what you're talking about. You're trying to have an opinion on something like you're an expert on it, and you are not an expert on it. I've tried to be nice about it, but you guys just don't get it. You are about 10% as informed as you think you are. Now, you can step back and say, "Well, I'm no expert. You live in Nashville and watched the guy for that long, so, maybe you know him better than I do. Maybe you have a point, Larry. Maybe I'm wrong, and he's actually better than I thought. After all, it's just my opinion, and I, like every other human being on planet earth, can be wrong. Especially wrong when confronted by someone who obviously knows more about a subject than I do." But, no... you don't. And, to top it off, you compare Fisher to Wannstedt, which just illustrates how far off-base you really are. Which is a lot. So, again, my point: You think you know... but, you don't. You're just playing homer, and poo-pooing on the 'other guy'. It is my opinion that Jeff Fisher is a great coach. It's also my opinion that, so far, Joe Philbin has done a great job as a first-time Head Coach. However, it is a fact, and not an opinion, that I am more familiar with Jeff Fisher than any single other person here, including you, and I probably have more insight into him as a person and a Head Coach than any other person here, including you. Now, could I be wrong? Absolutely. I could be dead wrong. In fact, I'd love to hear any objective criticism. So far, there hasn't been any. We had this same discussion-turned-argument last year when Fisher turned down the Dolphins, and it's the same crap all over again, 'He has a mustache... he's the same as Wannstedt. I know 'cause I Googled his win/loss record.' This is why I didn't want to get into this argument again. There's no getting through to people who take a position and won't listen to anyone else, and sports fans can be the absolute worst. It's like politics or religion. God forbid anyone says anything critical about their team, or supportive of anyone who has dissed said team. I've learned to not argue with some people on this board because they're not out to actually discuss topics and learn from them, they're more interested in picking fights and earning internet brownie points through endless arguing. I'm done with this. You homers can think whatever you want. And, yeah... I said HOMERS. Just like Belichick was 36-44 as Head Coach of the Browns, so he sure must suck, huh? We better not hire him... I'm pretty sure you understand that we're only 4 weeks into his 2nd season as head coach, so it's a little early to start making a judgement like that. I'll just attribute it to you wanting to win an argument on flair points. Otherwise... you really don't know what you're talking about.
You have done a very terrible job at displaying it. Bill Belichick is one of the few coaches that have survived. By your logic we should hire Rick Kotite.
I understand that. I can definitely see why Philbin was hired. The only thing that gave me pause about him was that he had never been a Head Coach before. That, and I wasn't very familiar with him. I thought he was a bit of a risk, but was probably the best option available, according to what others here said about him. The Dolphins got lucky, and so far, he's been great. It's about time we got lucky.
It's interesting that you think getting the luckiest sixth round pick in NFL history is a coaching skill.
I would classify Eddie George as a back that was run into the ground very similarly to how Williams was.