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Dolphins O-line middle of the pack?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by DolfanTom, Oct 3, 2013.

  1. RickyBobby

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    True but I'd still like to see him improve a lot in moving UP IN the pocket when possible. A few times he either just runs out or walks into the OL.
     
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  2. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Not counting the times the offensive linemen are driven right back into Tannehill.
     
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  3. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    The overall point was - somewhere - that perhaps he has a lot more time than we think at times. Meaning, sure, he's been sacked 18 times, and that sucks, but on plays he's not sacked, he's not pressured, and has time to throw the ball. This, based on the statistics I linked to. Meaning, on 18 plays, it was awful, but on the other 140 or so - the far majority - he had plenty of time.

    That said, I've since learned thanks to other stats that it's essentially due to Tanny being trained or programmed to get rid of the ball early, thus inflating those non-pressure stats, and moving our line higher in this ranking than reality (what we all see with our eyes each week) suggests.

    So, the bottom line here is, our O-line here is in trouble.
     
  4. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I would too but one of the biggest offenders is John Jerry which means he'd be stepping up into pressure a lot.
     
  5. cuchulainn

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    The difference though is both Hoyer and Manual were injured after scrambling down field and going for extra yards along the sidelines instead of quickly getting out of bounds and not allowing the defense to get shots on them. Because both were trying to get an extra couple feet, they ended up injured by taking necessary shots.

    Until the Saints game, the coaches have been keeping Tannehill in the pocket and not allowing him to scramble away from protection and take these sort of needless hits.
     
  6. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Agreed... Does Tannehill no good to step up in the pocket if a defender can peel away from Jerry or Clabo and still get him.
     
  7. RevRick

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    IIRC, both of them were injured running the ball, not being sacked. Being Sacked is bad enough, but running for a QB is taking a lot of risk, which some people feel is not advantageous to the team in the long run.
     
  8. the 23rd

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    it all begins in the trenches, you win the line of scrimmage & everything unfolds! don't much care with what the stats show, they can be shown to show anything. the offensive line has had time to acquire their stride & have failed to do so... if they don't do the job (not talking about a win, but protecting RT) time to reshuffle this motley crew during the bye week.
     
  9. jw3102

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    As my old college professor told the class many years ago, " statistics can be used to validate whatever position you want it to". The Dolphins have one of the worse offensive lines in the NFL when it comes to protecting the passer. They are very mediocre in opening holes in the running game.

    Yet according to some , "PRESSURE STATISTICS FORMULA", we are suppose to now believe that there are 18 teams in the NFL who have worse offensive lines than the Dolphins. I'm not buying these statistics.

    There are only two legitimate starters on the OL at this time, Pouncey and Incognito. The rest of the members of the starting OL are merely starters because the backups are all very mediocre to awful. The Dolphins may not have the absolute worst OL in all the NFL, but they are certainly in the bottom five of all offensive lines and I don't care what the statistics show otherwise.

    It is just too bad that the individual who compiles stats like this spends more time with his calculator than he does actually watching the games on TV. Because if he did, he would see how ridiculous it is to list this God awful Dolphins OL in the top half of all OL's in the NFL.
     
  10. rafael

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    IMO the Dolphins are about a middle of the pack OL. I'm not basing it on stats. I'm just basing it on watching them and many other OLs.
     
  11. cdz12250

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    Middle of the pack means they lose as many battles as they win. That's about right. Like an 8-8 team. So far, not part of the solution. Not getting to the playoffs that way. They need to pick up their game quite a bit.
     
  12. rafael

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    It's a 3-1 team. I do see this as a playoff team. I never expected the OL to be more than a middle of the pack unit. I did expect the DL and D overall to be a superior group. I also expected RT to be top 10 by the end of the year. If those occur, I see this as a a playoff team regardless of whether the OL gets better.
     
  13. LBsFinest

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    But I was told the line has 3 pro bowlers
     
  14. cdz12250

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    Not saying that I eventually won't if they don't, but if they beat the Ravens today, I will believe.
     
  15. rafael

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    OL play is more dependent on them playing as a unit than on individual talent. That's why the proposed fixes of of signing Mckinnie (bad fit) or drafting Johnson wouldn't have been effective. And the team does have three players who recently played at a pro bowl level. That was accurate, but Clabo has not maintained that level. Pouncey and Cogs are still playing well.
     
  16. LBsFinest

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    They're probably closer to the worst line in the league than they are middle of the pack
     
  17. MikeHoncho

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    I can't believe those guys get paid. Might as well just have three traffic cones out there.

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  18. ckparrothead

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    Did that look like a "middle of the pack" offensive line?
     
  19. Bpk

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    A pack of excrement perhaps.
     
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  20. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Truer words have not been spoken
     
  21. Jaj

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    Based on statistics would you start Garner at RG next week?
     
  22. unifiedtheory

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    Statistics lie.

    If changes are not made on the line the next two weeks we are in big trouble.

    Watkins at right guard, Jerry should be binned. Garner or Yeatman at right tackle, anyone is better than Clabo. Play Sims more, have him chip and help Martin because, well, we have nothing to replace Martin with if Yeatman is playing right tackle.
     
  23. byroan

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    The worst part is we can't run or pass block. Wouldn't be so bad if we could do one of them like an average line.

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