We Lost because..............

the loss was on the O-line, the sacks, and the drops.

the pass tannehill put up for gibson on 4th and 10 to keep the drive alive was brilliant. then he gets sacked.

better use this bye to figure out the O-line because it's painful

 

I 100% agree Tannehill needs to have better placement to Wallace...

But my lord it would be nice if he could win a 50/50 ball now and then. Most WR are able to go up and get the ball - and Wallace is just awful at it. I get that he doesn't have great size, but plenty of smaller WR are able to adjust and make a play - just look at the one TY Hilton made against Grimes.

I really wonder how much an improved line would help. If Tannehill had the time to actually load up and the ability to step up and launch it, instead of avoiding pressure, I wonder if he'd be able to connect with Wallace better.

Also - Tanny throws so well on the run, if they were able to extend plays, I would think he and Wallace could connect. We saw what he did with Gibson at the end of the game on a broken play.

Tannehill certainly has some issues - but they all seem to come back to the oline to me.

 

I really can't help to think Sherman's gameplan is a reason as well....

 

The deep pass Wallace caught was actually a 50/50 ball.

He's not Calvin Johnson. That's not his game. He doesn't have that type of strength. Unfortunately, because our o-line is so bad, we simply aren't able to take advantage of Wallace's best assets.

I agree that he had some drops, but most receivers drop passes from time to time, and Gibson and Hartline dropped critical passes too.

 

Unfortunately, I don't think much, if anything, can be done about our bigest problem this season which is the OL.

Don't know if we even knew that Monroe was on the block, or engaged in any talks, but he was about the last guy available who might have been worth exploring.

Bryant McKinnie who might get cut by the Ravens in favor of Monroe would start easily for us.

I understood why we didn't do it, but man, we should've traded for Albert.

 

I agree with all of this, and will only reiterate the part about how well Tanny throws the ball on the run. Why in the hell don't they roll him out more? Especially with how leaky that O-line is.

 

Complete team loss.

Offense: Settling for FGs, too many sacks, no running attack, dropped passes.

Defense: Allowed too many 3rd down conversions, chunk plays. They did, however, hold the ravens to no passing TDs and were dealing with injuries so they get a bit of a pass. Also, forced turnovers and scored so they get less of the blame actually.

Special teams: Missed tackles to allow good field position, shanked kickoff to setup game winning FG, missed tough FG.

Coaching: O-line is terrible, play calling is questionable.

 

It's hard to be a Qb in a progression style offense when you can't protect the Qb, the system actually requires it to be done better than the norm..

If you don't have that, maybe we should become more multiple when calling plays..

Martin has improved, went from real bad to bad, Clabo is cocka..

 

this!!

 

Those are the ones I'm most pissed about, what a bunch of ****ing bull****!

 

This is on the money. The dropped passes we had ended up equaling a loss of points. And in the dropped passes, you may as well include the pass Wallace caught but his heel ended up being on the sideline. That was a pretty dandy intermediate pass that Tannehill put there for him, and Wallace just wasn't aware enough resulting in being out of bounds. Without the dropped passes, we win the game.

That's not to skirt the issue of the offensive line being so porous. You may as well include John Jerry in there as well. He let a sack go right thru him early in the game, as well. But yes, the O-line as a group and the backs helping (or not helping, as the case may be), was about as bad as they could be as a pass-protecting unit.

Then, add to that, our poor running game. We got nothing. Couldn't make 2nd-and-a-half-a-yard to start the game. Couldn't make 3rd-and-a-half-a-yard to start the game. Punt. That was a lethargic start. Mike Pouncey hiking the ball over Tannehill's head, and then RT not catching it anyway -- that stuff led to a lethargic start where our defense was doing an okay job of holding the other team. We come out like a house on fire, we could have run the Ravens out of Sun Life. Instead, we lay an egg early and let them score first and stay in the game by half-time. Bleech.

With the poor running game, Miami's offense is basically what Tannehill can do when he has time to do it. That's really not fair on the guy, but life isn't fair. And at this point, with a pretty decent defense, you're gonna win some/lose some. We lost this one.

So for the record:

G) Pass-protection as a whole sucked

H) Too many dropped passes, especially by Mike Wallace (good stat day, but 7 catches on 16 targets... when a lot of them were very catchable - not enough) but also in key situations by Hartline and Gibson, too

I) Lethargic start

To me, both pass interference calls were bogus. If it had been the Dolphins, I wouldn't have expected either call (and, probably wouldn't have gotten even one of them, either), and rightly so. The defenders were on them in decent position. In the Carroll case, both guys went up for the ball and Carroll hit it. He got flagged for incidental contact while they were both going for the ball. Have I seen it called before? Yes. But at least 85% of the time, that play is not called PI. With the other play, Grimes had the inside position, and both guys were arm fighting. I didn't think that should have been called either, but with all the contact, that's probably called more often. Still not half the time, though. And really, what do you want defensive players to do? He had the inside. He got his head around in time. And that drive was crucial in getting the Ravens back in the game. They were gift-wrapped 56 yards in penalties and extra downs. Despite the calls -- and they're part of football -- we still should have won the game.

But we have problems. And a lot of injuries. The bye week's here at a good time.

 

Natural step progression call on Wallace lol, don't see that everyday I'll tell ya....

 

1) O-line
1a) Sacks
2) Mike Wallace needs to catch the damn football when it hits him in the hands.
3) That Raven's TD drive with the two PI's. How that one in the endzone was PI still blows me away. He was making a play for the ball
4) Too conservative, too many pocket passes. Get RT running, he is one of the best in the league at passing on the run.

Martin got beat by one of the best defenders in the NFL, I can't be too upset with his performance yesterday. It is obvious he is a back up Tackle and not a starter, but he is at least serviceable at the moment.

 

I don't think Tannehill is unable to lead Wallace. If you watch the first 3 games, Tannehill was overthrowing him. It was obviously communicated to him to put more air up under the bar and that is causing overcompensation and Ryan is now underthrowing him. it all goes back to the chemistry thing. Then there is the thing of Wallace dropping the ones that are on target.

 

I know Tannehill is just in his second year but....... sometimes he leaves one wondering if he will ever get it together and become elite or will he be a middle of the pack quarterback.

 

We lost because... Brandon Gibson left his feet on 4th and 10 to catch that bomb instead of running through the catch and trying to score.

 

If Trent Dilfer can get a ring and Brad Johnson can get a ring, Tannehill can get a ring.

 

Me too

Please move Martin back to RT after we sign and trade for Albert to play LT. Cut Clabo.

 

We lost because we abandoned the run game too early.

 

HA!!! Nice!

 

OL OL OL OL OL and oh...OL

Fix the OL..add a blocking physical TE target that can catch and this offense will be pretty sweet.

 

Those two other quarterbacks got their rings with the best defense in the NFL despite of them. We aren't going to keep Tannehill around to become Trent Dilfer. He needs to be elite, not just average, elite. If we don't make the playoffs this year, you have to think about taking a quarterback in next year's deep draft to give Tannehill competition. I'm not saying let's scrap the Tannehill project, but the message has to be sent.

Tannehill has all the tools, but he's not mentally there yet. His development is not only his fault, his coaches share blame as well. But it HAS to work soon, if we miss out on the playoffs this will be a brutally ugly offseason for him.

You can point at several issues outside of Tannehill but his overall game has raised a lot of questions about his mechanics.

 

We lost because of the 6 sacks given up. Sacks are drive killers.

The stubborn inability of this coaching staff to accept the reality that the offensive line is crap is really frustrating.

Sherman/Philbin keep driving down the road with a blown tire, and refuse to just pull over and put a donut on. They won't be able to drive as fast as they'd like, but they'll at least get to where they're going in one piece

The good coaches adapt. They put their players in the best position to win. Teams have had 4/5ths of their O-line go down with injury and made the necessary adjustments to protect their QB. Max protect, roll out, stick with the running game to keep the defense honest. It's insanity to keep doing eh they've been doing all pre-season and 5 games and expect different results.

Change. Evolve, believe what you see. Or this team won't be going anywhere.

 

Poor coaching and a mix of play-calling/poorly designed schemes. A lack of execution by the O-line has thrown the entire offense's execution out of whack. These problems existed in the 3 games the Dolphins won as well, they've just reared their ugly heads in back-to-back losses. Throw in injuries to so many key cogs, especially on defense, and you don't have a very good mix. Ultimately, that falls on the coaching staff. Sherman, Coyle, and Turner are the main culprits thus far, but that light's bound to shift to Joe Philbin unless these problems get corrected.

 

I've maintained a healthy skepticism regarding Tannehill, and this offense is exposing his flaws. He still has poor pocket awareness, he locks onto one receiver, and he has poor deep ball accuracy from the pocket. All good reasons to roll him out btw.
However he is not the reason this team lost yesterday.

Neither is Mike Wallace.

However, the fact that those two players have such terrible chemistry AND Tannehill has shown he can develop chemistry very quickly with other receivers. Hartline, Fasano, Keller and Gibson all had/have chemistry you have to put that on Wallace.

I keep seeing how since training camp and now before games Tannehill, Hartline and Gibson take the field early to work on timing and I wonder what the **** Wallace is doing instead. It's hard to imagine anyone thinks it wouldn't help.

 

OL is a mess and we won't go anywhere until that is fixed.

My main concern is how we come out flat to start the game. I really don't understand this.

 

Although the drops were big in this game, in general the OL and RB's are killing us. Both are implicated in the god awful run game. When there is no semblance of a run game, pass rushers like Suggs and Dumervil just tee up and worry about nothing but sacking the QB. Both the OL and RB's and very poor in the running game and pass protection.

The coaches are very much implicated as well. Most of the time the opposing pass rushers know exactly where Tannehill is going to be because they never move him around or get more creative with his drop backs. He's too stationary of a target.

The other beef I have is when we were trying to establish the run, we were always running on first down, and that predictability was really hurting the running game. If we didn't run on first down I don't think we ever ran on second down, even when down and distance made it appropriate to do so. Don't remember any draws either, which seem like the kind of run that would have picked up some yards yesterday.

 

I think they need to make a big move to convince the team they are serious about winning and showing the other players there're consequences for bad play. Clabo, Jerry and Martin, pick any one that least affects the salary cap and cut him, replace him with a player we trade for.

 

They have got to create space for RT....his pocket awareness inst good right now and the pass-pro is awful, have to get him in space.....whether it be rolling out, misdirections, something...

 

Which I think thus far is the biggest indictment of the coaching staff in 2013, offensively and defensively. They haven't shown the capacity to alter schemes to put players in better positions to make plays. When combined with poor execution, you see the result of a 3-2 team that is a few plays away from being 4-1...or 1-4. The bye week could not have come at a better time than this week.

 

What's the big move though?

I don't see any o-linemen who might be available being any great upgrades.

Do you upgrade the RB spot with an MJD, if he's available?

I just don't see what we could do at this point besides nibble around the edges and hope for the best

 

At this point, who WOULDN'T be an upgrade at those three positions? How could they be much worse?

I sure as hell do, as long as they'll take a mid-round pick for him. Nothing higher than a 3rd and preferably a 4th or 5th.

 

I think they wanted to feed Wallace and to me it hurt the offense overall, once they got Bline and Clay involved the offense started clicking.

I've been waiting for the infamous Sect "taken out to a field and shot" commentary on the OL

 

we lost because WE CANT PASS BLOCK, RUN THE BALL, OR CATCH THE BALL CONSISTENTLY.

 

Did our sack average increase? I think last week we were at 72, we're probably on pace for 80 now.

 

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson get a bad rap. They played pretty well during their individual SB runs, albeit both having had the benefit of generational defenses to make their high-80s passer ratings good enough to win the PRD battle.