I'm afraid the same 5 bozos on the offensive line will be starting against Buffalo in two weeks. If this happens, what conclusions would you draw. To quote the double-rainbow dude, "what does it mean?". My answer: we're screwed. If our coaching staff doesn't mix it up and bench Clabo and/or Jerry, I'm not sure I can stay optimistic that these are the right guys to coach this team.
I'd conclude, we are even thinner than we all thought. Martin is staying at left tackle, we have no options. Incognito is staying at left guard because, he's a good player. You can win football games with him at left guard. Pouncey is staying at center because, he's the best in the league. Jerry needs to be replaced and SHOULD be replaced. Watkins should be up to speed by now. Is he an upgrade or would it be change for change's sake? Clabo needs to be replaced. The question is, as it is with Jerry, is their an upgrade on the roster? I don't like Garner out there, he's a guard. I don't think Yeatman is ready. Dallas Thomas is only on the roster because he was picked in the 3rd round. Do we put Jerry out there? Martin - Incognito - Pouncey - Watkins - Jerry Martin - Incognito - Pouncey - Garner - Jerry Martin - Incognito - Pouncey - Watkins - Garner Martin - Incognito - Pouncey - Watkins - Thomas Martin - Incognito - Pouncey - Thomas - Garner Martin - Incognito - Pouncey - Watkins - Thomas Martin - Incognito - Pouncey - Jerry - Garner I don't like ANY of those!
How long have we been working on Yeatman? Hasn't it been like 2 years now? Is he really gonna be worth it?
To the original question, if the lineup is unchanged and the results are still poor, then Tony Sparano must secretly be our oline coach....
I kinda think we're fooling ourselves if we're expecting a change. I don't think it's going to happen. That said, I'd probably try number one. Swing Jerry out to RT and put Watkins at RG. To me, it's pretty much a wash at pass protection, but I think we might get a better push in the run game. If I recall correctly, I saw someone put a stat from PFF on one of the threads that Watkins had a +1-something grade in run blocking last year (maybe last year). I don't think Clabo is a good run blocker anymore. Jerry's obviously not that nimble, but when we put him out there on the RT island a couple years back, it didn't seem like he was any worse at pass protecting than Clabo has been. And if we could get some run-blocking for the stretch plays the team likes to run, it'd be better than the 2nd and ten or mores that we're being stuck with now. More manageable down and distances can help keep the pressure at bay a bit. Quicker routes for first downs, etc. I'd probably at least give that a try now that we're at the bye week. But like I said, I have no doubt but that we won't.
Problem w/Watkins is game speed and football IQ Basically, he is easy to fool by twists and stunts etc, as happened to Richie I and Pouncey last week, Watkins is a far better back up/swing option if Garner moves into the lineup. I know I've seen quite enough of Clabo's Colombo mutation, not so sure about plugging Watkins in at this point, Garner I could see either at RT or RG
There are basically two conclusions you might draw if the starting OL remains the same in two weeks against the Bills. The first conclusion is that no matter how bad this starting five may be, their backups are even worse, which is probably the case. The second conclusion would be that the coaching staff has no idea how to fix the problem with the line and they aren't smart enough to give any of the backups a chance to start and actually see if they can perform better than the starters who aren't getting the job done now.
I'd rather worry about the swing options after the 5 best are in the starting lineup. IMO, that includes both Garner and Watkins. Jerry can be the tackle/guard swing man. Garner can start, and still be the #2 center.
That they think they've got the best five players on the field, and they think they can fix the situation through other means. Except potentially in the case of Clabo(and again, I've not seen any practices recently so I dunno), all that's probably true.
I think alot of people think..playing offensive line is all...just block the man ahead of you. In reality....theres alot of scheming.....Zone blocking...man to man...etc. Even small things like...timing of when your line engages with the defense can make a huge difference. Was trying to find the article...but there was a coach who saw that his OL was engaging to fast...before the HB got a chance to see the holes.....so he moved the line back behind the line of scrimmage. (Edit...found it) "It has to do with timing. The timing of a run from the Pistol is different than the timing of a run from a conventional offense. An offense cannot be equally adept at both types of run concepts because teams don’t have enough practice time to perfect both. Timing is a critical issue in the running game. An example: John McKay instituted the “I” formation at USC when he became the head coach in 1960. He realized the time it took for the running back to hit the hole from the “I” was different was different than the time it took a back to hit the hole from split backs or far or near backs. So, McKay moved his offensive line a yard behind the line of scrimmage so they would not get to and come off their blocks before the running back hit the line of scrimmage. Also, McKay moved the running back from 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage to 7 1/2 yards behind it. McKay mastered the issue of timing in the run game. He won four national titles in 15 years and coached two Heisman Trophy running backs – Mike Garrett and O.J. Simpson." http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2013...9ers-seem-to-be-making-the-smart-adjustments/ So...there are things good coaches can do....to fix a bad line.
What Conclusions Would You Draw if Our O-Line Remains Unchanged Versus the Bi... I think we're all bozos on this bus.
I don't understand how we didn't trade for Eugene Monroe, he's young and talented. Granted Oliver Vernon had his best day vs him but he really didn't play bad and was in a new system that same week. Something has to be done if oline doesn't get consistently better. Hell bench everyone but pouncey and Ritchie and play all the backups and throw in Matt Moore or devlin as bait so tannehill doesn't get killed. I'm joking don't take that seriously and blast me but if atleast one or two isn't moved or replaced then something is wrong with the coaching staff. Think regardless we need a new oline coach. Jim turner looked like a genius at Texas A&M with one of the best olines in the nation, but it's clear that his teachings aren't working at the nfl lever
I cant believe what I am reading our oline really sucks and our qb has been sacked 24 times in 5 games . if some of you meatheads cant see this then some of you need a reality check because we could still have a losing season you know . we have had oline problems since the three stooges Parcells , Ireland and Sparano took over . we must get some protection for R.T. OR HE WONT LAST THE SEASON and we cant afford for R.T. to get injured.
That's be a great idea for miller. For some reason miller doesn't cut back often and likes to pick a hole and hit it hard. This is why I think he started off so well vs the saints because of that pistol formation. Just don't get why we don't keep using it and would rather abandon the run game and put the ball in Tannehills arm rather than a balanced game.
Monroe wasn't shopped. That was team A reaching out to team B and making a trade one on one. If Turner's OLine was that good at TA&M, then he needs to be rounding up the UDFAs from that line bringing them in for auditions like they did with Lane. As for Jerry, the sooner he is either a backup or no longer wearing a Fins Jersey, the better.
I couldn't agree more about the good coaches comment. It's on them to get this thing right during the bye. Even if it is with the same personnel. To the OP, if we have the same personnel and get the same results, my conclusion will be the bunch of bozos is more likely the coaching staff and the FO.
If I see the same line up I will know that the coaches think as highly of the backups as I do. If any of you think Garner is the answer you're out of your mind. But, if I don't see a difference in the play calling, roll outs, blockers in the back field, then I am going to start questioning Sherman's abilities to call the plays.
He may not be the answer but we are almost at the point where it's almost hard for our backups to be worse. Sit someone or do something to atleast light a spark under the starters butts. What I don't get is we loved te moving pocket last year and this year I don't even know if we used it more than once.
I can't believe more people aren't questioning the Monroe deal. It is so lopsided that it is really suspicious. I have a feeling the Jags owner got a lot more money than just what he saves on Monroe's salary. The Jags could have and should have received a late 1st or at least a 2nd and a 4th for a top ten rated LT who is still young. He wasn't shopped because it was dirty deal. Jags owner is losing too much money and he justified going on the take. This deal was horrible for Jags team. It made no sense at all.
in all fairness to Gardenhead: 1) he knows Pouncey & Incognito are not bozos, as does everyone else in Dolfandom 2) he is speaking collectively about the offensive line & collectively is the right way to speak about any offensive line. if 3 out of 5 are found seriously not up to snuff then you do have a BOZO offensive line. this bozo offensive line is on a record setting pace for sacks & cannot open holes consistently for the run game. 3) win the line of scrimmage on both sides & you win the game 90 plus % of the time. when the OL gets a push, the running games opens. when the run is established the passing game opens & vise versa. football 101: it all begins in the trenches What Conclusions Would You Draw if Our O-Line Remains Unchanged Versus the Bills? my simple conclusion would be to save RT & start Moore until there is a fix in place. to make the play-offs at the expense of losing a franchise QB is losing proposition.
Well, that's only because no one since has developed the ability to surpass the 'bozoptitude' of that particular clown to express the abjectly ridiculous. So, we have to reach back into ancient history to find a capable analogy! And, as it seems, this offensive line play would make the first Dolphins offensive line look good. The only two 'keepers' it would seem, are Pouncey and Incognito. Jerry is, at best, out of place, and that is a very shaky 'maybe.' He did play better than Clabo is playing at right tackle relatively recently. And, I had hopes that we would see 'something, anything' resembling a major improvement with Martin - but I think that is not going to be anytime soon. Even before the trading deadline, it would seem that there are not possibilities on the scope which would provide enough improvement relative to what we would have to pay to get them, unless someone just has a fire sale and happens to have a starting tackle of any ilk on the block. So.. start simple - plug Jerry back in at RT, and see who can play RG. Just maybe, with fingers, toes, and eyes crossed, we might see an improvement of some sourt (mispelling deliberate!)
For the record: I don't think Pouncey or Incognito are bozos, individually. However, the other guys on the line are such bozos of the highest degreee, that as a group, they are a bunch of bozos.
The conclusion I would draw would be that I should try and trade for Lamar Miller in fantasy because they're about to redouble their efforts to establish a ground game.
