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Looking at the Jake Long pick in that light is so foolish, IMO. No way is he a bust. The situation was disappointing, but he was on his way to a HOF career. Comparing that to picking Mark Sanchez is terrible.
I think you're sort of making your own category. And you can do whatever ya like Deej. But if every player who played through their rookie contact, and then went on to sign elsewhere for another monster contract was a bust...there'd be a lot of busts. Pro bowl busts, all pro busts...like Jake Long 3 out of his 5 years with is. 3 time pro bowler with Jake. 2 time conference title game participant with Sanchez...I don't think you can call them busts. And if the Jets thought Sanchize was a bust, they wouldn't have extended him to what was a big deal.
I hope you folks don't mind an opposing fans view of both teams. IMHO the Phins are better than the Jets right now. Their 3-2 records are really not equal when we look at the competition. With the circumstances around the Pats right now (no WRs, no TEs, no DL in the middle and next to no RBs) it could be a two team race between you two for the AFCE and my money would be on the Phins.
Jets are not better than us, but their front 7 could very well eat Ryan Tannehill for breakfast if our protection doesn't get better by week 13
I think both teams are even, but i like the fact that this was supposed to be a rebuild season, and we are sitting pretty right now.
Another reason I don't like all the overstating of our injuries. The Patriots have dealt with injuries to Rob Gronkowski, Danny Amendola, Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen, Vince Wilfork, Tommy Kelly and now Aqib Talib. Hell, and that doesn't even count the Hernandez shenanigans. And we're sitting here complaining about Wheeler missing like 19 snaps over five games, Ellerbe missing one snap in a game, Clemons playing through an injury, rookie backup corners being injured at a time when they likely wouldn't have even played healthy, etc. It comes off looking like a maaaaaaajor reach.
You are correct, injuries happen on every team in the NFL. That is why the GM is suppose to provide the team with 53 players who can come in and get the job done. Fans who complain about injuries to the players on the team they root for, always seem to overlook the fact other teams have key injuries also.
oh most def I'm making up my own category Seth, I just don't feel is so far fetched considering what we got out of the player in two of his five years, where's he's playing now, and where we drafted him.. #1 overall pick is descending in his prime, and played very average 2 out of his last five years..I just think relatively speaking that's not good enough.
agreed. Brady is why they won. Not their GM. Their depth isn't why either. Dobson and Edelman tried their damndest to lose it actually. Brady just wouldn't let them. Gotta give their defense credit i guess, but the saints basically acted like they didn't think the patriots offense could do it.
Your correct, a great QB can make up for a lot of injuries and other issues on a team. When you don't have that great QB on your roster, you need quality players throughout the roster. Especially players who can step in and fill the role of the starters when they go out with injuries.
They were up 21 and throwing all over the place vs us on MNF then today they're trying to sit on a 1 or 4 pt lead. Oh well, guess we'll have to go up to Foxboro and show mofos how it's done.
can't say i see your point here. Our backup TE is Clay, he's way better than whoevers been at TE for the patriots so far this season. Their "depth wrs" are not better than ours. wallace>amendola, Hartline>Edelman, Thompkins = Gibson, Mathews > Dobson (dudes awful). I guess Collie is better than our #5 cause I can't remember who it is. Its just Brady man. If we're going to blast our GM cause he didn't luck into a HOF QB, well ****. Give Brady our playmakers right now and he's torching the league.
Overall news today is good as we're back in the lead for the wildcard playoff spot. From here the Dolphins just have to straighten out their own house, get the sacks issue taken care of, get healthy, fix the tight end coverage, etc.
Committing to the run a bit more would help our protection sooo much...whether the run is successful or not.
I think it would also help with out o-line in terms of attitude as well. Perhaps give them a chance to be a little nasty. Deliver the punches instead of taking them all the time.
Do we also give him our offensive line? Because if so, he'd struggle nonetheless. Brady threw an INT and had one 3 and out within 4 minutes left in that game, it wasn't all Brady.
You realize by mentioning the Patriots that you're supporting the argument that Miami's defense looks statistically worse because of injury and is being affected by injury, right? If not, by default you'd have to support a belief that Brady and New England's offense are mediocre considering the Patriots rank 24th in scoring at 19 pts/game. So tell me, does the Patriots offense look mediocre on the year or do they statistically just seem like it b/c of all the injuries and missed players they've endured? Prior to this game the Pats offense had 4 weeks of 6 points, 13 points, 23 points, 23 points. Does that sound like the Patriots or does it sound like something from the 2011 Dolphins? If not for 13 points from the refs and Keenan Lewis it would've been another lackluster offensive performance by New England tonight. So stop telling us that a chunk of injuries on one side of the ball doesn't impair that side's performance. BTW, Ellerbe didn't just miss one snap. He missed the 2nd half against Baltimore, you know the half that Baltimore was able to see offensive success in after being ineffective the first half when they were limited to 6 points and 33 yards rushing.
You realize we're talking about a 5-1 team that just beat the undefeated team that slaughtered us on Monday Night Football? M'kay.
#1 rule for every Dolphins fan: The Jets are never better, ever. They maybe luckier but never better, ever.
The guy has been getting schooled all season long. He's not healthy or he's never going to be the player he once was. This is the second game I've seen him getting worked. I highly doubt Tampa brings him back next season considering he's on an unguaranteed contract.
Here's an interesting stat on Pro Ftbll Perspective, the dolphins are 7th as of the balt game in least amount of injuries to starters meaning of the 32 teams they are one of the healthier ones. Injuries have not been as major an issue as it has for most other teams. I knock on wood as I say that.
Do you realize the original argument specifically pertained to defensive performance, not the team's record?
We're specifically talking about DEFENSIVE injuries, which is where all of our regular season injuries have occurred. Does that Pro Ftbll Perspective have a stat isolating DEFENSIVE injuries? Not to mention, does Pro Ftbll Perspective factor in the value of the player involved, or does a Cam Wake injury have the same value as a mediocre corner?
Who complained about Ellerbe missing one snap? He missed 62 in the last game. It wouldn't be complaining, IMO, as much as it would be expressing concern.
I noted that Cameron Wake has missed 3 of 5 games, Paul Soliai has missed 1 game and Dannell Ellerbe has missed half of a game. Dupree asked if I'm positive it's only half a game for Ellerbe because he could swear he missed some time earlier than that. To which Todd replied: He missed one snap. I think talking about it at all is just part and parcel to this effort to overstate the impact of Miami's injuries, especially relative to the rest of the league. Whereas, if Phinatic74 is correct about Pro Football Perspective's league-wide injury survey, the Dolphins may have actually benefited from LUCK on the injury front, relative to the rest of the league.
I know a team that is propped up by officiating when I see one. Remember, I see it from Heat opponents all the time. Pats got a fantastic push from the refs vs. the Saints. and truth be told..the Patriots would have gotten slaughtered in the Superdome as well...because well, they got beat when they had a better team by the same score as we did in that very same Superdome.
a re-watch of that game is not so kind. Did you know that clutching and grabbing beyond 15 yards is legal in Foxboro? My only conclusion is that they teach it, because they know they get away with it.
BTW, where is the round the clock coverage by ESPN of an empty Gillette Stadium, with thousands trying to get back in because they left before the GW TD? Sound familiar? In short...**** BOSTON.