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****Bye Week Game Thread****

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Vertical Limit, Oct 13, 2013.

  1. ToddPhin

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    It's somewhat of a humdrum Monday night NFL schedule this year.
     
  2. Anonymous

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    We'll be fine. Lamar Miller will run well.
     
  3. TiP54

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    Reggie balled out today. Good for him.
     
  4. Rocky Raccoon

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    lol Ibanez hates Lamar Miller for some reason.
     
  5. ToddPhin

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    I've watched a large chunk of Detroit's games. Reggie's presence has been a noticeable asset to that team, and the type of player he is, the passion, leadership qualities, and work ethic, seem to be rubbing off. I for one didn't like seeing him go. IMO the problem wasn't Bush's running; it was the lack of fully integrating his ability into the gameplan/playbook, both creatively and via the passing game.
     
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    Yeah, I recall being stunned, when I first heard he was gone.

    My brother asked me, "Why? Wasn't Reggie like your only playmaker?"

    Then I remembered...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aFxHZ-SmbR8#t=189
     
  7. ToddPhin

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    I understand where you're coming from but I respectfully disagree with what you're implying- that there was insubordination involved. Jake Long summed it up the best in the clip you provided, "The last couple years, we haven't been good enough as players holding the players accountable." Bush, Long, and Dansby were three veterans who stepped up and took a heavy concern for the greater good of the team, and in their mind, correctly so, they believed the locker room can make a difference in shaping players and conforming them to a higher standard. There was no disrespect involved on their part. It was their team team as well, not just the coaches', so I admire the trio for proactively trying to look after what they felt was in the team's best interest rather than passively letting it fall all on the coaching staff. Great teams are led by coaches and player rather than just coaches alone; meanwhile poor teams are led by coaches with little contributing support from the players. Personally, I don't feel that "head coach" should equal "dictatorship" when it comes to trying to get the entire team on the same page. I applaud Reggie for stepping up and suggesting he'd like to be made aware of players who are slipping so that he might have a shot at trying to right the ship before the player is lost. All he did was open up that he welcomes greater responsibility and cares deeply about team, and it was done about as tactfully as you could ask for.
     
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  8. Califin

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    Entirely tongue in cheek.
    Despite his own personal annoyance over the "Chad issue" and the fact it happened to be the motivating factor for the "Leadership Council", I don't believe Philbin viewed it as anything other than how they presented it, and that their intentions were in the best interests of the team. It nevertheless was likely a sensitive issue, as it related to Dansby's public remarks which aired on the radio. Those clearly irked him, and I wouldn't bet on whether he ever got past that.
     
  9. mcdave21

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    Smh....time to move on chief.
     
  10. mcdave21

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    100%.....worries me moving forward.
     
  11. jw3102

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    Actually the only thing that is relevant going forward is that the Dolphins and Patriots play twice this season. So how these teams match up in those two games will tell us all we need to know in regards to if the Dolphins have closed the gap on the Patriots or not.

    I'm not sure how you determined that the Dolphins have an easy schedule from here on out. The games within their own division are always tough, no matter what the records of the Bills and Jets might be in any given year. My view is the Dolphins will probably go 3-3 in their six games left with Jets, Bills, and Patriots. I think they will go 3-2 or possibly 2-3 in the 5 games they have left outside their division foes.
    So I think 9-7 or 8-8 is probably the best they will finish this season.

    In looking at the Patriots remaining schedule, the only game that looks like a loss at this time is the game against the Broncos. I just don't see the tough schedule for the Patriots that you are writing about. I think the Patriots will probably win 12 or 13 games this season and end up as the AFC East Champion. I don't see them making it to the SB as the AFC representative because, I think that will be the Broncos. I can very easily see them getting to the AFC conference championship game against the Broncos and losing that game.
     
  12. VanDolPhan

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    Maybe we can see more of Miller when our OL can run block. It's not like Miller is putting up DT numbers. He's averaging 4.2 a rush.
     
  13. PhinsRDbest

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    Saints gave Brady 3 chances to win the game late. He was 1 of 3 with 2 of his shots being complete fails. Saints took their top 3 QB completely out of game. They should of have gave him the shot of closing out the game instead of run, run, silly roll out. Prime example of how not to close out the Patriots.
     
  14. byroan

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    The numbers I was looking at yesterday hadn't updated to include the Saints record in the Patriots strength of schedule. They only have the 10th toughest AFC schedule left.

    We still have the easiest schedule for AFC teams. Only two teams we play are currently over .500. If we only finish 9-7 or 8-8, someone needs to be fired.
     
  15. Finrunner

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    Mike Golic kept mentioning that hold on the radio this morning, and he's right. But, I've come to expect those things. It was still a massive choke job on defense. With no time outs and :15, the Pats cannot throw anything into the center of the field. They can throw sidelines routes and to the end zone. First play, thrown to the back of the end zone, TD. How is any Patriot WR behind a Saints defender?

    The Saints, for their part, went against their whole m.o. on the last two or three drives, both offensively and defensively (on the last one). They're an aggressive team, and they went against their tendencies the last couple of drives and it cost them. Even though they threw one up to Graham (who should have caught the pass) on the drive after New England went for it on 4th and 6, the three play drive was run-run-pass. Not aggressive, imo. Then, the three runs after getting the Brady INT... and the last one a naked bootleg (with what, one option?)... it didn't remind me of many games that I've seen the Saints play with Payton coaching. I suppose against the Pats, they played it a little closer to the vest.

    I think yesterday, only two games really mattered to me. The Jets game and the Pats game. I wanted those two teams to lose. If the Bills won, the Ravens, whoever else, it didn't matter. We can take care of the Bills, and if the Ravens win their division, that means we don't have to compete for them in the Wild Card standings (if we don't win the division). Better that and going against teams for the Wild Card spots that either we have beaten (Cleveland) or teams we hopefully beat (Cinci, San Diego).

    So really, for me, yesterday was 1-1. I would have much preferred 2-0. The Dolphins have me yelling at the inanimate object that is my TV enough of the time -- I don't need to be screaming at it because Tom Brady made a play on the last play of the game where there was an obvious uncalled hold and the Saints played it about as poorly as they could. My blood pressure doesn't need that.
     
  16. PhinsRDbest

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    But against the Pats that's the last way you want to play, dumb move by Payton.
     
  17. ckparrothead

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    I think the numbers understate our strength of schedule.

    The Bills lost a game by 2 points against a 5-1 opponent, and lost a game by 3 points against a 4-2 opponent that has beaten the likes of New England and Green Bay this season. They've won two more games on top of that. I think by just translating them on a numbers basis into a 0.333 team, or a sub-0.500 team, you're losing something in the translation. I don't expect them to finish 5-11 this year.

    The same is probably true of the Carolina Panthers, who are so far just kind of unpredictable. If you catch them completely flat on a cross country road game like the Arizona Cardinals did, great. If you catch them sleeping and not taking their opponent all that seriously as the Bills did, also great. But if they play like they did in the Minnesota Vikings or New York Giants games, good luck beating them even if you're clicking on all cylinders. The mathematical treatment of the Panthers as a 0.400 team or sub-0.500 team does not grasp the threat they represent. Nor do I expect them to be a sub-0.500 team when all is said and done this season.

    I think most of us have it in the back of our minds that the Pittsburgh Steelers are not going to be playing like a 0.200 team when we play them late in the year. I think if we are all being honest with ourselves, we know that to be the case. I don't know how many people expect they're truly going to end the season 3-13.

    When you're playing an 0-5 team like the Buccaneers, the problem with the mathematical treatment of that is it severely understates their chance of victory by essentially making it zero. There's a very, very good chance we win that game. But the chance we lose it is not zero. Take it this way. To me, they're not an 0-16 team. They're at least a 1-15 club and more likely a 2-14 or 3-13 club. If you believe them to be a 3-13 club that implies an acknowledgment that from here on out they're more like a 0.300 club than a 0.000 club, which means there's a big understating factor in the mathematical treatment.

    I think obviously the Jets are more of a threat than people want to believe, especially within the division. I think their 3-3 record is reflective of the threat they pose. And I think New England's 5-1 record also describes well to me the threat they pose to us, as does the Bengals 4-2 record.

    On the plus side, I still don't know what in the hell the San Diego Chargers are and I guess we'll start to find out more tonight. But I have a pet theory they're more on the way down than on the way up, which is great for us. But perhaps their 0.400 record (6.5 wins) states correctly about what they are?

    Anyway, you add it all up and I think the expectations of future performance from our collection of upcoming opponents are not accurately described by the mathematical summation of their performance to date.
     
  18. Finrunner

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    I agree. It's a strange decision for Sean Payton, who is usually sort of a gunslinger. He was when we played him a few years back and again this year. He was in the Super Bowl the Saints won. He just wasn't yesterday in the last 3:29 or so. The only play that was kind of "against the book" was throwing it up to Graham. As someone pointed out earlier, that cost :29 seconds. So, if you're going to go by the book - go by the book. But if you're going to be true to yourself, keep playing. The Pats had enough trouble stopping the Saints offense. You can go back to the book, when it's first and ten with under two minutes, and the Patriot have no time outs left. Until then, keep getting first downs and scoring the way you do.
     
  19. PhinsRDbest

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    Exactly, it was like Payton did what the Pateiots could not do, take Bree's out of the game.
     
  20. PhinsRDbest

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    Jaguar castoffs<Ireland castons
     
  21. Frumundah Finnatic

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    Don't mention what an ******* their owner is either. That **** is a bannable offense.
    Even though he was looking to move the team and everyone hated him for it.
     
  22. jw3102

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    I agree. That is why looking at the schedule before this season and thinking the first five games would be the toughest test for the Dolphins was merely based on how those teams played last year.

    The Browns were expected to be the easiest game for the Dolphin of those first five games, based entirely on the Browns record last year. The Dolphins won this game as many expected, but it wasn't as easy as many also predicted on this forum. The Browns have been shown to be a very competitive team as the season has progressed and this win by the Dolphins in Cleveland looks more and more impressive as the season has progressed.

    The Colts win was by far the most impressive win of the season so far. Going into Indy and beating the Colts is not easy and the Dolphins so far have been the only team to pin a loss on the Colts, home or away.

    The Falcon's game was thought to me a game the Dolphins would probably lose, prior to the season beginning. As it has played out, the Falcon's have proved to be a very average team so far this season. Perhaps they will get their act together as the season goes along, but it appears right now that the Dolphins caught them at the right time of the season to get the win in Miami.

    The Saints game wasn't even close and not much else needs to be stated in regards to that game.

    The Ravens were a team the Dolphins should have been able to beat at home, but they just didn't play very well in the second half of that game. This might just be the game the Dolphins and the fans look back on when the season is over and realize it cost the Dolphins a chance to be in the playoffs.

    It is always very difficult to determine how easy or difficult a schedule is going to be prior to the season actually starting. Some teams appear to be playoff contenders before the season start, (like the Giants-Texans-Steelers) and they get off to terrible starts and the games against them don't seem as tough for their opponents. You then have teams like the, (Chiefs-Jets-Titans) who weren't expected to win many games this season and they now are looking much more imposing for future opponents.

    Many times when you play a team is the most important factor in who wins the game. It would have been nice for the Dolphins to have played the Panthers and the Steelers already this season because both this teams look like they will be tougher to beat as the season goes along.

    As you stated, the Chargers are a difficult team to figure out right now and with the game in Miami, this should give the Dolphins the edge. Of course with the play of the Dolphins secondary so far this season, The game against the Chargers will likely be a high scoring game and hopefully the Dolphins offense will be up to the task.

    The Dolphins were able to go up to Ohio and beat the Bengals last year. I think this is a game they have to win if they have any real chance of making the playoffs. The Bengals aren't as good a team on the road as they are in their home stadium, but the Dolphins can't afford to let the game against the Bengals get away from them like they did the Ravens game last week.

    As I stated earlier. I think they will go 3-3 against their division opponents and 9-7 is the best I see them ending up with this year. Unfortunately I don't think 9-7 will be enough to get them into the playoffs, but you never know.
     
  23. ckparrothead

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    I agree for the most part.

    However, I will say I think the Falcons have shown themselves to be pretty well below average, especially at this time.

    Also the Browns are not as good as their record indicated heading into yesterday. And they ESPECIALLY weren't as good heading into Week 1 with Josh Gordon suspended. I think that game came out exactly as it should have based on the teams' relative strengths. I don't know what teams in the NFL would have lost to the Browns in Week 1 with Josh Gordon and Barkevious Mingo out, and Brandon Weeden in at quarterback. But I can't imagine there being more than 2 teams that would have lost to them that day.

    The Colts victory was extremely impressive, IMO. And the Dolphins damn near beat the Ravens, and that would have been impressive. I understand that it was costly to lose to them, but it was impressive to me that we played with them the whole game and it came down to a kick at the end. Maybe it was a hail mary kick at 57 yards, but it was still a kick and it was (barely) within our place kicker's established range.

    If I'm going to look at games this year that to me show that the Dolphins are not necessarily overrated, they really are a pretty good football team, a winning football team and perhaps even a playoff football team...it's those two games. It's the Colts game and the Ravens game.
     
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  24. Dolphins1Beatles

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    That last wild card spot will be up for grabs and a 9-7 record could get it. Look at the competitiors: Dolphins, Browns, Ravens, Titans, Jets. With Ryan Fitzpatrick now leading them, I'm not sure the Titans keep it going. Jets are too sketchy to seem better than 7-9, and currently have a poor 1-3 AFC record. Miami does have a big advantage for beating the Colts, which helps them in SOS and SOV.

    And i'm not sure anyone has much faith in the Chargers or Texans to string together wins. The Texans are a mess and their crappy fans don't deserve a playoff team.

    I'm looking at possible 6th wild card and it just doesn't seem like anyone besides the Ravens is a big threat. (which probably makes that loss to them all the more frustrating). Whoever gets it should really hope the AFC North winner somehow gets the 3rd seed. :yes:
     
  25. Berezo

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    I found it pretty insulting that NBC campaigned against the "Redskins" name during their halftime show. Quite disgusting to bash a NFL team that you are covering during halftime. The Redskins/NFL should be pissed and NBC should be sued.
     
  26. jw3102

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    I think the Dolphins comeback against the Ravens was impressive, but it was really the one interception by Jones and the hit by Jordan on that play that even made it a game in the second half.

    The Dolphins couldn't run the ball at all against the Ravens and the OL just didn't do a good enough job in run blocking or pass protection against the Ravens defense. The Ravens offense had twice as many first downs in the game, compared to the Dolphins offense. While the finale score was close and the Dolphins could have tied the game with a bit closer FG attempt. The fact is that the Ravens, who were defeated by the Buffalo Bills, the previous week clearly outplayed the Dolphins in Miami and they deserved to win the game.

    The Dolphins have lost far too many games like this over the past five years. Games they should have won, but found a way to lose. Playoff teams find ways to beat a team like the Ravens on their home field and that is why they are playoff teams.

    I thought going into this season that the Dolphins were at least a year away from being a legitimate playoff team and after their first five games, I still feel this way. There are just too many holes on this roster for them to make the playoffs this year, IMO.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    The fact that the Ravens lost to the Bills the previous week with Joe Flacco throwing 5 interceptions makes it all the more impressive. Flacco played OUTSTANDING football against Miami. The Dolphins just made him earn it that much. The middle pressure he had to deal with in his face the entire game was incredible. But he did it. The coverage Grimes generally had on Torrey Smith was exceptional, yet the ball was so on the mark that Smith was able to haul them in anyway...much as T.Y. Hilton was able to haul in that pass over Grimes anyway in the Indy game despite exceptional coverage from Grimes.

    You talk about a big play that Miami actually earned by having Dion Jordan beat the left tackle and get pressure on the quarterback, hitting the ball as he released it...but there were big plays that impacted the game in favor of the Ravens that the Ravens did not necessarily earn positively, rather Miami earned slightly negatively with borderline coverage that ended up flagged as a subjective judgment call by officials.

    Either way I thought the way the Dolphins played in that game was part of the proof that they're not secretly some losing team that got lucky a few times like Arizona did when they started out 2012 going 4-0.
     
  28. invid

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    Which is why that loss was a lot more crushing than the Saints game.
     
  29. Alex13

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    it´s so tough for me, although its over a week now, to get over that Ravens loss, I still have that "my girlfriend broke up with me" feeling in my stomach....damn...sunday can´t come soon enough, it also didn´t help that the patriots pulled that late W last night
     
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    Darn shame that the Saints blew the game at Foxboro. That aside it was a great weekend to be a Dolphin fan. No one got hurt and we gained a half game on the Jets and the Bills.
     
  31. ckparrothead

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    I guess it depends on what you mean by crushing but yeah it's going to be costly.

    But I think both games in their own way did a great job establishing the team's strengths and weaknesses.

    Both the Ravens and the Dolphins were in kind of this mode where they were regrouping after an embarrassing loss. The Dolphins got to do this at home whereas the Ravens had to travel on the road to try and regroup. The fact the Ravens were able to negate that disadvantage speaks well for them and poorly for us, but they didn't thoroughly win the game. It wasn't a clean win. Random factors could've seen us winning it pretty easily and we finished the game with the momentum on our side. It's not like they win that game 9 times out of 10 if you were to scramble truly random factors and replay the game a bunch of times. I think it was more like 6 out of 10.

    That speaks pretty well to the Dolphins' ability to regroup and play tough against a team that was in my opinion playing playoff caliber football.
     
  32. invid

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    Wildcard implications and momentum going into the bye.
     
  33. ckparrothead

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    How important is that, on an evidential basis? Or is it just something people like to say?
     
  34. invid

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    Not sure, do you know?

    I guess I was talking about the mind of a Dolphins fan, such as myself.
     
  35. ckparrothead

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    I've just never seen any evidence that getting a win in the final game before your bye week is any more important to the team than any given potential win. They're all really, really important, except for the games played by teams that already have their playoff seeding partially or fully decided.
     
  36. Alex13

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    it must be good for the psyche to get out of a game with a W with a 14 day layoff looming, i´m still sick to my stomach about that ravens loss
     
  37. ckparrothead

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    Any more good than it is to get the W from any game? Is there any evidence that it's more important in any way?

    I don't think there is.
     
  38. jw3102

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    I too believe this team is probably the most talented team the Dolphins have had in the past five years. I believe the WR's are the best group of receivers in this time and Tannehill is certainly the best QB this team has had since Pennington.

    I'm not too sure this OL is an upgrade and that impacts the running and the passing game. If they had just an average OL at this time, I could see them winning 10 games this season. I just think the OL is a major weakness and it will continue to be so for the entire season. This is the major area the Dolphins need to upgrade after this season is over. Of course I realize I am only stating the obvious.

    The overall defense this year doesn't seem to be as good as the defense of the past two years. The line play hasn't been as effective against the run and the overall lack of a pass rush without Wake has certainly been apparent. Hopefully Wake will be healthy enough to contribute for the rest of the games this season.

    I don't see Ellerbe and Wheeler as upgrades over Dansby and Burnett. They are a bit faster and perhaps cheaper against the salary cap,but I don't think they are better than what we had in Dansby and Burnett. They certainly don't cover TE's any better and I think Dansby and Burnett were better run stoppers, but that is just my opinion.


    In the secondary, Jones play has appeared to regress this season since he signed his new contract. I know he was the player who returned the ball for a TD in the Ravens game, but it was Jordan who made the play and I'm sure you could have returned that duck pass for a TD if you had be on the field during that play.

    I felt going into the off season last year that Clemons needed to be replaced. He isn't an impact safety and he always appears one step behind the receiver anytime a pass is thrown in his direction.
    If there were a picture of what a mediocre safety looks like in the NFL, It would be Clemons picture which would best represent that position.

    Grimes has been a nice addition to the secondary, but it would have been great if he could have been added and Smith would have been resigned also. Smith has been playing very well for the Chiefs and he and Grimes would have certainly made a much more solid CB tandem than Grimes and Carroll make. I realize Carroll is not suppose to be the starter, but he has basically started evry game at CB except for the first game of the season. Patterson may end up being a good CB for the Dolphins, but we will never know if he can't get back on the field.

    So far the secondary this year isn't any better than the secondary was last year.

    I think the major improvement has been in the play of Tannehill, (except for his pocket awareness), Clay has improved, and the WR's provide more of a threat this year than they have in recent years.

    To get to the level where they can actually contend for the playoffs on a regular basis and especially become a legitimate SB contender, they still need to add several more quality players throughout their roster. There just aren't enough impact players on the roster at this time to be anything more than a mediocre to slightly above average team.
     
  39. Alex13

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    i don´t know to be honest, but waiting for another extra week to go out there, especially after how the ravens game went would suck for me
     
  40. djphinfan

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    I'm thinking the loss will help them from not coming out flat against a team whom they should beat, and that extra incentive that they feel to win from the loss will hopefully help them get over the poor attendance by the Miami fanbase in this upcoming game.
     

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