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ESPNs top 5 young QBs

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  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Whatta you mean Nap?
     
  2. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Considering AP never even met the kid. Not saying AP could care less, but he definitely isn't going through what some people think he is. So I highly doubt it's weighting on the Vikings roster.
     
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  3. Drowning

    Drowning ONCE MORE UNTO THE BREACH

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    The more I see an improved Tannehil the more I do not see an improved Tannehil. You can learn to throw tha ball away. You can even learn to run. You cannot learn accuracy in stride deep. You do not learn how to feel pressure. You either have that or you dont. At this point, the only list Tannehil deserves to be top 5 in is So Close Yet So Far.

    Hope may be a 4 letter word but brother brother brother- its all we have.
     
  4. cuchulainn

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    Yeah, that's the other thing that got me about the story. At first I was like Damn, that's just f***ed up. But after that came out, it was like Damn, that's f***ed up too. And it like an after thought in the reporting of the story.
     
  5. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    You can't learn deep ball accuracy or feeling pressure?

    Where did you hear this crap from?
     
  6. Drowning

    Drowning ONCE MORE UNTO THE BREACH

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    Hear? No.

    Seen? Yes.

    I've watched enough football to know what can be taught, what can be learned and what must come natural. Maybe you should watch some more. If you're lucky, you'll catch up.

    Or you can be like the many who challenged me on Tannehil and hitting receivers deep in stride and eat crow in shame, behind closed doors. I dont care for that, honestly. I just want a QB. I could care less about being right over you. But, i aint gona lie. After being steamrolled, it feels pretty good. But i promise you, it steamrolls right back when you realize you were right about something you didnt want to be right about.

    Crap? Sorry son, all sold out. Nothing but brutal truth and sadness here. Until i get to eat crow, any way. Best crow ill ever taste. Crow id ask for as a last meal- please pigskin gods, give me a QB.
     
  7. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Lol. Well that was just a hole bunch of nothing. Tannehill is already leaps and bounds above where he was 2 years ago on pocket awareness. How is that possible if you can't learn that? Tannehill doesn't back have a very good deep ball. But to say you can learn that is asinine. Ever hear of Drew Brees and Philip Rivers? Just to name a couple who weren't good on deep balls and now both are very good.
     
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  8. Fin-Omenal

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    Difference as far as turnovers go, IN SOME CASES QBs are afraid to throw into a tight window to make a play and would rather try to run for yards.

    QBs who can make those throws (into a tight window) are the guys who have the ultimate success. The "one read and go" QBs can win a game here and there...but aren't likely to lead you to the promise land.
     
  9. cuchulainn

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    Anyone watch the number of drops in the Colts/Chargers last night? Or the number of times that a receiver wasn't "hit in stride" during the game, or any of those this weekend?

    While nice when it does happen, it more often than not, does not occur by any QB/receiver combo. That's why the better receivers catch them regardless of having to adjust - and some of these guys have played together for years.
     
  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    wow..I was not aware of that..whatta pos..
     
  11. rafael

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    RT compares pretty favorably in terms of deep accuracy across the league. I have no idea why people keep bringing it up as a weakness, unless they just don't watch other QBs play? And in any event I find it's the one area of accuracy that is most dependent on the WR adjustment and the easiest accuracy range to develop. Pocket feel is different. I don't know if that part is developed or if QBs just learn to read the D faster so they they just have fewer instances where it's an issue, but it is an area you constant improvement in.
     
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  12. Fin D

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    Not really a pos. The child's mother didn't let AP know about the kid until about a month ago.
     
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  13. Stitches

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    Was just about to post this.
     
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  14. ckparrothead

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    Are people still on the myth that Ryan Tannehill doesn't throw an accurate deep ball?

    It's kind of amazing the perceptions that can persist in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
     
  15. DePhinistr8

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    Who needs evidence when we have conjecture and hyperbole?
     
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  16. Nappy Roots

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    a few months ago he learned. still, wouldnt say hes a POS based on that. still could of seen him kid in that time.
     
  17. Brown42000

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    Segment would've been more accurate if they called it "The Top 5 Most Hyped QBs". RG3 doesn't belong in there with the season he's having and Newton is extremely inconsistent who gets by on athleticism.
     
  18. ckparrothead

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    I think it's entirely possible to suggest that the knowledge of the kid was so new to his life that the toddler's death is not necessarily making Peterson want to slit his wrists or anything, while also acknowledging that this does NOT make him a piece of sh-t.

    You find out you have a toddler that you never knew about in a far away state and you're in the middle of an NFL season. I don't know that anyone should think that just because he didn't rush out there immediately, vet the kid's surroundings and start legal proceedings for custody, he's all the sudden a piece of sh-t.

    You want to call someone a piece of sh-t, call the guy who actually killed the toddler a piece of sh-t. That's the rabid dog who would best be reformed by cutting his tail off behind the ears.

    After that if you'd like to pass some more blame around, look at the mother who put that guy (who as I understand it already had a history of abuse of children) next to her kid, and hardly even gave the real father (who is wealthy enough to give the kid a good life) a chance to be part of his kid's life.
     
  19. djphinfan

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    Then I retract that statement..sorry..
     
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  20. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I said that because I thought he knew about his two year old from the get, and therefore he would of had a big part of the blame for not being involved enough in the child's life enough to know what was going on with the boyfriend..

    I was not aware that he found out just recently he had the child.
     
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  21. JMHPhin

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    Well said
     
  22. ToddPhin

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    Russell Wilson showing why he's right there with Luck for top QB honors. What a TD pass against Zona.
     
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  23. ckparrothead

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    And you know the difference between Russell Wilson's scrambling on that play versus the plays where Tannehill gets sacked?

    Room to run. Wilson had an outlet to run out to on his right (dominant) side.

    When your offensive tackles are taking on water and you feel rushers coming free up the middle, where do you go? You scramble right and you run right into a guy. You scramble left and you run right into a guy.

    You know the thing they always tell defenders when facing a mobile quarterback? How they have to "stay in their rush lanes"? Usually that takes a lot off a defensive line's overall pass rush ability, having to stay in the rush lanes in order to clog up the quarterback's outlets. In Miami, these guys are able to stay in their lanes, AND still get free to the quarterback.
     
  24. ToddPhin

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    .... plus Russell on the move is drawing the eyes of half the defense, in turn allowing for greater potential for busted coverage completions. Then you got linebackers in general trying to keep one eye on him and the other on the back, TE, or slot receiver they're responsible for which makes coverage that much more difficult. Not to mention, when it's a designed rollout like we just saw a few plays ago on the missed deep ball, his foot speed gets him out and set well before defenders can get to him. That lets him see the field more clearly than a typical QB, gives him that much more time to survey the coverage, and lets him get the pass off quicker before defensive backs have a chance to recover.


    IDK, I think he can become a more athletic version of Drew Brees.... meanwhile Luck becomes a more athletic version of Manning.
    Perhaps Tannehill becomes a more athletic version of Brady. :shifty:
     
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  25. invid

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    Yeremiah Bell has gotten burnt on 2 touchdowns in this game, so far.
     
  26. invid

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    Also, this game is going to be a kill.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    Hah.

    Well, like I said earlier in this thread...I just don't know how anyone rates Ryan Tannehill over Russell Wilson. I'm 100% certain that the Seahawks hit the infamous "elite" jackpot with Wilson. I'm not even 100% on Andrew Luck yet, but I am on Wilson.

    With Tannehill I don't know what he's going to be yet. The model for him is not Brady, it's Rodgers. It's always been Rodgers, IMO. But will he get there? Does he have that kind of ability? I just don't think he has quite that knack for performance in an ultra fast environment.

    The reality is we've got ourselves a good quarterback. But we're like the Giants with Eli staring wistfully at the Broncos with Peyton. Or we're like Ravens fans with Flacco staring longingly at Brady and hoping we can beat their @ss in the playoffs. Thing is, lo and behold, those two quarterbacks have three rings between them.
     
  28. Serpico Jones

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    What quarterback do you think Tannehill compares to?
     
  29. invid

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    I think Tannehill is his own quarterback.
     
  30. jdang307

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    He might turn out to be elite, but my elite is 40/10 (Rivers never hit elite in my book) But he's a QB where you don't worry about QB for a while.
     
  31. ToddPhin

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    With the way Philbin & Co have been using Tannehill at QB [more as a traditional pocket passer], I'd think his best future is that of a highly cerebral, Brady-esque QB who already has the defense beat before the ball is snapped. I'm not sure I see him anymore as another Aaron Rodgers, as he doesn't have Rodgers' lightening quick release or same level of foot quickness which lets him zip through progressions with greater ease and hold out that much longer, and he's not displaying Rodgers' level of improvisational ability. Maybe a Brady-esque future is too lofty. Perhaps a more athletic version of the clutch Eli Manning, which I'd be perfectly ok with.
     
  32. ToddPhin

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    Holy pee hole that Wilson almost threaded a TD to Tate through. :lol:
     
  33. Fin-Omenal

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    He fumbled, he's a loser.
     
  34. Rocky Raccoon

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    Dan Marino.
     
  35. ckparrothead

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    I kind of hope the Seahawks win the Super Bowl. Russell Wilson is so ridiculous. I want him to win a championship.

    I may regret those words after his second or third championship though.
     
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  36. jdang307

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    Based on matchups I was about to bench Russell Wilson today in my $500 league. I didn't make it in time so he's in.

    Woohoo!
     
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  37. ToddPhin

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    .... as long as we're not playing in it noodle head. :p

    I can see Russell easily having the ability to win multiple SB's. How do you defend him once Seattle's inside the redzone? Gotta worry about Skittles knockin' helmets off defensive linemen. Then throw in Wilson's bootleg ability. And top it off with stuff like the last TD where he just buys time until he finds the open guy. No wonder he had 21 total redzone TDs last year with no INTs.
     
  38. ckparrothead

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    And best of all, really watch how he plays versus how a Robert Griffin plays, with respect to protecting his body and the total awareness, decision-making.

    There was one run out of bounds that was a perfect example. Russell Wilson easily could have cut inside his tight end who was blocking Yeremiah Bell. Russell continued instead to the outside toward the sidelines which is his safety net. He ran out for a modest 5 yard gain or so instead of cutting up the field to try for a 9 or 10 yard gain that would have ended with him on the ground being pounded by defenders.

    And here we are this week reading stories about how Robert Griffin admits he's been attempting to bait defenders into hitting him late by hesitating before going out of bounds, and how one day he sees himself cutting up the field against defenders that just go out of bounds for fear of getting late hit penalties.

    Can you guess which one is going to have the longer, more fruitful career?
     
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  39. ToddPhin

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    definitely agree. Wilson is amazing at being cognizant of his surroundings and processing information quicky. He just consistently makes smarts decisions. Amazing for a 2nd year player. He'll be one of the game's next chessmasters in a few years.
     
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  40. ToddPhin

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    I don't agree with whoever said Russell has short to intermediate accuracy problems. I think his ball placement is pretty damn good.
     
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