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Bills@Dolphins game thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Disgustipate, Oct 20, 2013.

  1. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I don't have a huge issue with Sherman like most do, but the play calling is pretty predicable a lot.
     
  2. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    just to correct something I said earlier, that we went away from the run in the second half, that's not true... it was the fourth quarter where we went away from the run. Down by 3 points in the 3rd quarter, on our last offensive drive that ended in a touchdown, we ran the ball (by my unofficial count) five times. 3 carries by Thomas for 22 yards... 2 carries by Miller for 8 yards. That's a six yard average... trailing by 3 points... we are balanced... up by 1 point in the fourth quarter, we strangely got away from the run. It's like we have it backwards. Maybe the AC wasn't working in Sherman's press box and he got heat stroke?

    EDIT, that was an 11 play drive... we actually ran it SIX times (Tannehill's draw play where he became the meat in the Williams/Dareus sandwhich had been erased from my short term memory cache).
     
  3. slickj101

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    Anyone kow many snaps Wake played?
     
  4. padre31

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    Is Speedbump still on the roster?
     
  5. ToddPhin

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    Has anyone brought up the notion that Buffalo knew to jump the route on the pick 6 to begin with? That's a few times in the past 2 games that opposing defensive coordinators have seemed to pick up on Sherman's tendencies and had corners prepared ahead of time to make a play. To me it seems we're still operating a mostly vanilla offense that doesn't create enough problems in the creativity department for defenses to spend time preparing for or be concerned about. IMO the offense needs to break the monotony b/c the play calling reminds me of a bland preseason game where the OC is trying to keep things close to the vest.
     
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  6. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    They ran it again and was almost broken up
     
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  7. djphinfan

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    Ryan did not look downfield at all, that was his first read, and everything he did before he threw told that corner so.
     
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  8. cuchulainn

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    I mentioned it in the game thread after it happened today. The UNDRAFTED ROOKIE DB recognized it and jumped the route.

    http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2013/10/20/robey-finally-robs-one/

     
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  9. cuchulainn

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    3 parts to that. Sherman for going to the well in a predictable fashion. Tannehill for firing it, and Gibson for not blocking the DB out and also for failing to make the tackle.

    You could also indirectly state the OLine as Tannehill is being conditioned to fire on his first read, even when he has an extra second to look elsewhere. Remember, Martin had just cost us 10 yards on a false start penalty.
     
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  10. ToddPhin

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    well there you go.
    I put that pick 6 on Sherman.
     
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  11. Rocky Raccoon

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    Dammit, I didn't think I could get more angry than I already am. And then I saw this.

    Come on Sherman, enough with the predictability.
     
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  12. djphinfan

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    You think he recognized the pre snap formation?
     
  13. Rocky Raccoon

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    I think it was just a bad read. The CB was sitting on it. On to the next receiver.
     
  14. cuchulainn

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    Same thing on the INT on Hartline earlier in the season... defender said the same thing that time too. He recognized the route and jumped it.

    The other INT Tannehill threw today, he just didn't see the safety coming over, which is why he floated it instead of either gunning it into Hartline, or throwing underneath. That one was worse IMO because he had already overcame the pick 6. That one coupled with the missed 51 yard FG, was 10 points left on the field.
     
  15. Bpk

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    If execution is bad its on the coaching staff.

    Unless the players are mentally ******ed.

    Then its on the GM.
     
  16. MAFishFan

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    At least they didn't run a sweep or stretch play on 3rd and inches this week!!!!
     
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  17. Rocky Raccoon

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    The second one I thought was just a terrible pass. I thought if he threw the ball to the back of the endzone instead of the front of it, it's a touchdown. I'd have to watch again to make sure, but I'm sure as hell not going to look at this game anymore.
     
  18. MrClean

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    Robey was undrafted for one reason alone. He is tiny, like 5'7 and 160 or so. His coverage skills and instincts are on a par with any rookie corner in the league. When I saw he went undrafted, I was hoping Miami would sign him.
     
  19. djphinfan

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    There were a few of us Clean..
     
  20. Da 'Fins

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    This is simply inexcusable. That has to be an 80/20 blame on the coaching staff for a) not recognizing their own tendencies (where is the quality control coach?). And b) not preparing RT himself to be aware of that. Simple, "Ryan, we run this play a lot out of this formation. They will be sitting on it. Look off the WR & go to player X."

    Very frustrating.

    I have thought this for several weeks now & was a bit concerned about it last year. But, while the staff is to blame in several instances, I have a real concern over whether Tannehill is smart enough to play QB in the NFL. I am not seeing a QB who can look off WRs effectively, nor one who can handle a complex game. The play calling is so vanilla... and I know these coaches Have the plays and formations there to use.

    When you compare RT to Luck it is Mensa vs. Remedial. & Russell Wilson def has a better feel for the game & smarts for the position. It is one area I just don't think JI did enough research on RT.
     
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  21. Hiruma78

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    my 2 cents:

    I love RTanne, but, even whith clabo ****ting the bed on the last possession, you have to take care of the ball, you cannot fumble, embrace yourself, take a knee, I don't know (caveat: I watched the game on a bad streaming, so, maybe in HD there is proof that ryan couldn't do anything to avoid the strip, ion that case I apologize)

    I read somewhere that Tannehill admitted he called a audible on the fumble play, so - if true - we cannot blame Sherman for that

    I was so happy how our young QB did react to the 2 (bad, horrible) interceptions, how he was able to pass for 3 td! (the 3rd with the scramble was so good) than the fumble....I wanted to cry, damn....

    I think that some of the blame has to go to the coaching staff, we seem unable to start fast and that is even more bad after the bye...

    I hate the obsession/love for the shotgun and hate how we pass on almost every 1st down...

    Our D is good, but not dominant or consistent.... inconsistent tackling, inconsistent pressure, inconsistent TE cover, very incopnsistent on 3rd down&long etc etc (against THAT QB.....)

    The amount of hits Tannehill is getting is very worrisome and, in some ways, is getting to his mind, I think... and I have to be honest, the fumbling problem is very worrisome

    Our special teams let us down big time, missed FG, the punt...

    I feel really crushed right now and I have to admit that one of the CK's predictions is coming true: the bad OL is compromising our season in many ways
     
  22. DePhinistr8

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    Anyone notice that Tannehill also got creamed on the pick 6 right after he released it? People ask why he didn't go to his 2nd read, well he couldn't, and it seems often times he can't.

    I'm truly amazed he plays as well as he does considering the swiss cheese in front of him. Did you see how that 3-man rush almost killed him on the hail mary? WTF? Then I go down the street to watch the Ravens/Steelers game and see Big Ben making sandwiches while waiting for receivers to get open, against the same defense we saw manhandle the phins o-line 2 weeks ago. It's absurd.
     
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  23. FanMarino

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    I noticed Tannehill getting flattened on that pick 6. 2nd read?
    Staring down receivers? Holding onto the ball too long? Give me a freekin break!! All from a 4 man rush when they drop 8 into coverage. No wonder the CB can jump the route. . Pathetic & embarrassing.
     
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  24. FanMarino

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    when I saw that inexcusable play from Don Jones on that superb punt from Fields it said volumes about the team to me. Unprepared and undisciplined.
     
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  25. PhinGeneral

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    If they're rushing 4 and dropping 8 the league really needs to do some film work. :shifty:
     
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  26. FanMarino

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    Oops. Can't even be bothered to edit it Gen. Really can't be bothered. Gotta love these days after a loss eh? ;)
     
  27. RGF

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    It must be really easy for opposing coaches to prepare for us. Just watch film and come up with a game plan to expose our weak tendencies because we dont seem to be doing a damn thing about them.
     
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  28. Paul 13

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    He did have Charles Clay breaking inside... but as you say, time was running out. If he could have been slightly quicker on his read that Robey was sitting on the route, maybe he would have gone to Clay. But we're asking him to be almost super human, on the first offensive series, for a 2nd year quarterback, after a bye week. There are only a handful of qb's who could have made that read and Tannehill is not one of them.
     
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  29. padre31

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    Truth
     
  30. DePhinistr8

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    I noticed Clay coming open as well, and it wasn't until after I watched the replay and re-wound it on the DVR that I noticed he was under that pressure. Maybe if the protection was better he makes it over there..maybe not...but we'll never know if he keeps getting smeared like this.

    The commentators were mentioning how good Miami's protection was until late in the game, but I disagree he was taking A LOT of hits on damn near every throw.
     
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  31. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    yep. He was getting knocked around on almost every play. Truly surprised he hasn't missed any snaps at this point. It really is only a matter of time before he does.
     
  32. Limbo

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    I thought Sherman called a much better game, committing to the run, using Wallace to threaten the field horizontally, moving Tannehill a little more. But them we stopped running when we needed it most.
     
  33. cuchulainn

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    Tannehill stated that Sherman HAD called a run play, but that he audibled out of it as the Bills were in an 8 man front and that he was coached to audible out of that to a pass play. We have to give the Bills defense credit too. They have played tough all season.

    Still, if Clabo hadn't allowed Williams the inside shoulder on a 3 step drop, it's a different ball game. Clabo had to know it was a 3 step drop and that it was imperative that he get Williams to the outside. He failed and Tannehill was strip stacked in under 2 seconds.
     
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  34. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    All boils down to execution IMO.

    Had we ran it three times in a row (or we threw an incomplete pass on 3rd and whatever after a likely 1-2 yard run on 2nd down), he'd be chastised for playing not to lose.
     
  35. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    This............
     
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  36. PhinGeneral

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    Perhaps. But if they did run the ball once or twice more and then had Fields punt one to the 20 or inside, and they let Thad figgin' Lewis take it down for the winning FG, I'd be more inclined to blame the defense.

    I think the strategy should have been dictated more by the opposing QB.
     
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  37. cuchulainn

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    Yes. Even though they weren't sacking him early, the Bills were still beating the hell out of him with hits and shoving him down. There was two plays that could have been flagged for unnecessary roughness. One of those that I felt should have definitely had been flagged where he shoved down clearly after the ball was out. Tannehill got up grimacing and rotating his neck and shoulder.

    No way the refs would have allowed that crap to happen with Manning, Brady, or Rogers... Hell, last night Vickerson for the Broncos was flagged for belly bumping into Luck. That was a joke...
     
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  38. ToddPhin

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    The Tannehill play I had a problem with was the 4th quarter 3rd & 3 near midfield where Tannehill wanted Hartline down the left sideline but he was covered up so Ryan threw it well over his head out of bounds. If you know it's gonna be an incompletion then why throw it?... why not tuck it and see if you can make something with your feet to keep the drive going when we're close to FG range?
     
  39. invid

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    Tyson Play-Doh.
     
  40. ToddPhin

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    yeah that was a love tap that Luck flopped on. Total BS.
     
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