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Miami Dolphins’ Bryant McKinnie expected to start against Patriots

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jim1, Oct 26, 2013.

  1. Jaj

    Jaj Registered

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    You have to watch the games for yourself. PFF's ranking system isn't all that great. McKinnie at his best is pretty damn good still, Martin is alright and he should be better on the right side this year than he was last year. If you fix Jerry at RG and McKinnie plays well you might starting winning games again.

    How has McKinnie actually played this year? In terms of watching him? I remember Dion Jordan got his hands on a pass against Flacco.
     
  2. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Jake Long has a PBE of 93.8. Jonathan Martin has a PBE of 92.5.

    Jake has given up 22 total pressures on the year. Jonathan has given up 23 total pressures on the year.

    The idea that we have taken a drastic step backwards from Jake Long is drastically overstated.

    Also of note, Lane Johnson, the best OT we had a shot to get in the draft, has given up 35 pressures and has a PBE of 90.0.
     
  3. Jaj

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    What has McKinnie done? As recently as the Superbowl McKinnie shut down three great pass rushers in a row. When he's on he's good, REALLY good.
     
  4. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    His pass blocking is 24 spots ahead of Martin and 40+ spots better than Clabo. I get your overall point but he would be a substantial upgrade over what we have and we had a chance to keep him.

    The bigger concern is did we mess up RTH's development by throwing Martin and Clabo out there and letting him get sacked at a record pace.
     
  5. Zeke0123

    Zeke0123 message board ******* Club Member

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    McKinnie won't get blown up...he will not allow shortest path to the QB (straight line) like Clabo. He will lose the battles that tackles with a good base lose..outside and occasionally inside to elite rushers but Tanny should be able to function a lot better in the pocket and the protection help should be able to be directed to martins side.
     
  6. jim1

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    We should probably consider run blocking as well. I haven't seen much Rams football at all this year, but I am underwhelmed by what I've seen from Martin. Also, what's more important imo is that the changes resulted in Jake Long out, Tyson Clabo in. So from a certain perspective maybe we should compare, as Tackles, how Long is doing versus Clabo. I doubt that the Rams would even consider trading for McKinnie and benching Long- that's obvioulsy a little more complicated because of the LT/RT thing, but bottom line we had Long last yeat playing Tackle for us, this year we have/had Clabo. And that sucks.
     
  7. KB21

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    Long is considerably better than Clabo, but so is McKinnie. McKinnie has given up 20 pressures on the year and has a 93.0 PBE.
     
  8. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Has he gambled and lost on the playoffs this year? Or will he have?
     
  9. Jaj

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    McKinnie's pressure total comes from a very different offense to Miami's. I don't think Joe Flacco is asked to get rid of the ball nearly as fast as Tannehill. If McKinnie and Martin on the right side can get Tannehill 3 seconds-3.5 seconds, good things will happen.

    The next guy to replace is John Jerry, perhaps Wade Smith will be available soon.
     
  10. Fin-Omenal

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    I'd really love to know what was the offer/deal breaker was for Brandon Albert...who has an bored o e of the better OL's in football thus far.
     
  11. rafael

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    I have watched some Rams games this year and Long has been about as good as Martin. I can't imagine anybody in St. Louis is happy about that signing anymore then we'd be giving Martin 8 mil a year or whatever they gave Long. Signing Long was a mistake we dodged.

    As bad as our OL has been, it can still be a short-term problem if we make good decision. Those decisions would be harder if we had that anchor of a contract. All the complaints are b/c the team didn't make a bad short-term decision. Nobody should be happy about how bad our OL has been, but I'd be even less happy with a bad OL and a bad contract.
     
  12. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    "It really didn't even bother me," Long said when asked if he was disappointed the Dolphins didn't look to put up a bigger fight to keep him. "It was a personal thing. I was going to choose where I wanted to go and I wanted to be (in St. Louis). ... I like Coach (Jeff) Fisher. I like this team. It was the right choice for myself at this point. I'm very happy with the decision."

    http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/nfl...says-Dolphins-had-little-chanc?blockID=933235
     
  13. 77FinFan

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    That's a long time. If Tanny could get close to a half a second longer we would be in much, much better shape. Much.
     
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    My point is Atlanta obviously saw his decline that's one reason, maybe the main one that led to them letting him go.
     
  15. unluckyluciano

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    you don't know any of that is true. You're assuming. Just like you don't know if that's the main reason they let him go. And that still has nothing to do with what I said.
     
  16. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    But, if we had resigned Jake, Martin would be the RT, and Clabo has given up a total of 32. A combination of Jake at LT, and Martin at RT would be a lot better than Martin at LT and Clabo at RT has been. Clabo's PBE is 2nd worst.
     
  17. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    That's easy for him to say now. What else can he say? That he would have resigned with Miami, but St Louis offered more guaranteed money?
     
  18. slickj101

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    And who would we not able to sign/re-sign bc of all the money we'd of given Long? That's what really matters.
     
  19. Califin

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  20. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm gonna freakin scream if I hear this for the hundredth time, it's the damn job of the GM to know how a player projects..not because of what some stupid stats said or what perception tell us..look at the tape, his game was bad, hes player who did not take care of his body over the years, and a player that was declining fast.
     
  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No matter how you slice it, just look at as swapping out Mckinnie for Clabo, add the fact that Martin is a little better than Clabo......win...win..
     
  22. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Maybe you should try listening then.
     
  23. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Are you able to watch every play of all the games? To say PFF's rating system is not very good, objectively, have you subscribed to them and studied their ratings for most every player and compared them to your own ratings from doing for yourself what they collectively are able to do?
    I love how some people put down PFF, and since I really truly doubt anyone here watches every play of every game, cannot offer a better alternative.
     
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  24. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Listening to who?
     
  25. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    The people who you are *****ing about? Clabo was a top five RT in years past... not many GMs would have predicted him to suck this much this year based on his tape from previous seasons.

    Regress? Sure... but a top five RT to one of the worst starting tackles in the NFL? C'mon now...
     
  26. unluckyluciano

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    its his job to try to project. You can't always know where the player will project. This is just silly.
     
  27. jim1

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    That story was from August 27. What struck me about that article was the part where Long said "It was a personal thing". That leads me to believe that one or more of Joe Philbin, Jeff Ireland and maybe Dawn Aponte pissed him off. My best guess is Philbin, because Long specifically mentioned that he likes Jeff Fisher as a coach, the implication being that he simply likes Fisher better that Philbin or that he flat out didn't like Philbin at all. I don't see much in the way of charisma from Philbin, he strikes me as more of the coordinator type than the head coach type.
     
  28. jim1

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    This is interesting from Sports Buzz this morning:

    Jake Long, ranked 46th among all tackles last season, has jumped to 12th in his first season with St. Louis.

    Tackle Tyson Clabo went from allowing five sacks all of last season for Atlanta to eight in six games with Miami, a pace that would easily shatter the NFL record. (He won't get the chance because he's headed to the bench.)

    Jonathan Martin hasn't complained at all about moving back to right tackle, the upshot of Miami’s trade for Bryant McKinnie. But he admitted recently he was uncomfortable playing on the right side at times in 2012, and he gave up the most quarterback hurries of any right tackle last season (47) – even more than turnstile Marc Colombo’s league-leading 40 for the Dolphins in 2011.

    Martin said at times this season, “I look at film and say: ‘I’m not sure who that guy is.’” He expects more of himself…. Though McKinnie has allowed only one sack, he’s rated the worst run-blocking left tackle in the league, per PFF.

    The one right tackle Miami coveted in free agency was Gosder Cherilus but the Dolphins wouldn’t match the five-year, $34.5 million deal he took from the Colts. Cherilus has allowed one sack.

    Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/#storylink=cpy
     
  29. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No you can't, it's called making a mistake on what you saw on tape, stop trying to pretend he isn't responsible for aquiring a player that was obviously flawed and descending very quickly..you don't aquire players based on whatever the hell kind of Majic formula it is your referring to.

    "You can't always know where the player will project"

    That's the freakin job..in this particular case, it doesn't matter where he ranked with the stats the year before, the GM needs to have confidence about the players game moving forward based on his projection of where he's at athletically and based on his talent, what's hard to project is whether the guy is gonna get hurt, or get in trouble..
     
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  30. unluckyluciano

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    so you say he has to look at tape to determine a players future but should ignore stats? Like I said, silly. Your thinking is pretty convoluted on this. And feel free to show me where I said anything about a formula. I think you're projecting now.
     
  31. djphinfan

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    Yeah sorry grid, when talking about the job of a GM, this doesn't fly...we've got to assess our GM just like we do for any person in this team, in this case it was a bad decision on his part.
     
  32. djphinfan

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    your projecting based on what was reported and blind stats, my formula is based on watching him play football the year prior to signing here, and being able to see flaws in his game, and body, and making a projection where those flaws and deterioting physical condition would project this year..the bottom line of the GM responsibility is projection, not sure why this is so difficult to understand.
     
  33. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    IF McKinnie works out this season, you have simply no choice but to go OL in the first round again and bring in a real LT that can team up with Martin at RT, Pouncey at Center, Incognito and somebody solid from FA at RG. And we need to be drafting Incognito's ultimate replacement at LG in rounds 3 or 4. JMHO but I'm sticking to it :lol:
     

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