Is our problem really the coaching staff?

And I want Parcells, Shula, or Madden. But we are stuck with Joe and friends for the foreseeable future.

 

No, I don't think that's true. If we wind up with a losing record this season, I think there's a good chance that Philbin follows Ireland out the door.

 

I absolutely believe coaching is at fault.

Our biggest issues are coaching and quarterback. They've both been below average. Thus, we're below average.

 

I think everyone is at fault. I expect it out of a new HC. I think you need to give him 3-4 years before you can definitively say yes or no and move on.

Jeff Ireland on the other hand, needs to go. He's had 5 years to put together a talented football team. He's had multiple draft picks, free agency signings and a lot of money backed by Ross and he still hasn't gotten the job done. Our first 4 draft picks have had little to no impact on this season(Jordan is borderline).

He's relied too heavily on free agency which rarely works out. We're seeing the fallout from that now. Clabo was a complete whiff. Wallace has been a complete disappointment and hasn't even been the 2nd best WR on this team. Keller got injured in the preseason. Patterson can't stay healthy. Grimes and Gibson until his injury have been the only ones who have been worth the money. Wheeler and Ellerbe have not been difference makers and have under performed based on their contracts.

He needs to go.

 

I cant see Philbin being gone unless they finish with 5 or less wins. With Ireland...I havent got a clue.

 

Can we learn to pick up a blitz? Especially when we know they're bring it!!!!!!!!!

 

Yes, the coaching staff is in large part to blame.

The team has in pretty much every game they've lost looked like the better team, or at least competitive and fallen apart badly. There are way too many unforced errors, and worst-case scenario **** ups leading to huge collapses. There are holes, but the holes aren't being appropriately mitigated, and they've become much bigger issues than they should be.

 

The problem is we are a very young team... We have a lotta new faces trying to learn a new scheme, when tann has time he has proved a more than capable qb.. Wallace is coming from a vertical offense to a west coast offense, it takes time for wr's to adjust unless you name is fitz and your one of the smartest players in the league.. Wallace needs a year of learning.. Ellerby has never been a centerpiece, he has alway had support and ray Lewis was the leader, he needs time to adjust as well.. Joe has never been a head coach b4 and he is learning on the fly and progressing better than I imagined.. When Keller went down it hurt us and the o line is feeling the impact.. We keep 3 wr's in cuz we have no proven te so pass pro lacks and teams know when we are running the ball... If joe has character and a backbone he will get better.. You can't jes keep implementing a new system every other year.. If we fire joe then we will need to wait another 2-3 seasons b4 we see results from a new scheme.. Wallace will lag behind in the new play book and tann will not be on the same page as the oc, so we draft a new qb and that starts a qb controversy which leads to uncertainty in the locker room, guys taking sides.. The rookie qb will need a year to catch up to the speed of the nfl.. Sure Andrew luck is playing great but until he wins a bs nothing else he does matters.. The goal is the sb.. Playoffs are nice but feedler took us to the playoffs.. We have to stay together and build around the pieces we have.. A new gm is what we need, a scout not a bissness man.. If we address the o line in the offseason we will be 100% better.. It obvious Starks can be released to free up cap, we have plenty of d line men ready and capable to replace him.. Not sure what our cap # will be next year but we have to go after the best tackles out there.. Draft for the scheme and not best player on the board cuz that's not getting us anywhere... It takes time for rookie head coaches to be great, harbaugh came in and took his team to the sb, harbaugh has been a hc for a while and has been in some big games b4.. Chip Kelly brought his scheme to the nfl and it's gonna take him some years to adapt to pro style defenses.. Harbaugh was already adapted to pro style defenses that's why his offense works.. Rex Ryan has been giving plenty of time to develop an identity for himself and his team through bad times and now his team is playing better with less talent than us.. Give joe time to create an identity for this team.. Ron Rivera hs been a hc 3 seasons, and every year the fans are calling for his head but the big cat stuck with him and got him a new gm, now ron has created an identity for the panthers, smash mouth ground n pound, hard hitting defense.. Cam don't have to win the game with his arm like Ron been relying on the past two seasons.. Let joe figure out how to win games, and how to use the players around him, how to maximize the coordinators strengths and exploit the opponents weaknesses.. That's what hc's do... Joe has to learn that and showing him the door after two seasons will only set him back...


btw chucky can't coach in today's nfl, neither can Bill coward... So cut it out..

 

Philbin is continuously getting owned by opposing head coaches in halftime adjustments.It all starts with him and its getting sickening.

 

It's certainly a part of it. Right now there's no real part of the team that's got it together, from the front office to the players. Worst case scenario and this thing gets totally blown up, I'd look at Rizzi for an audition.

 

You could make an argument that it's the coaching staff, and their planning, that makes the Dolphins competitive in the first half of games, and it's more players fault when they fall apart in the second half. I don't see any fault with the coaching staff in yesterday's game. NE brought the constant pressure once the game was close (which is basically the equivalent of them being ahead, since they are at home, and well, they're NE). There was no way Miami was going to succeed in the face of six pass rushers on every down after losing Gibson and with a new O-Line who only had three days to practice. If Gibson was in there, if might have been slightly more competitive, but I don't think anyone thought Miami would be able to come back from a deficit on the road in NE.

And why were they behind? Turnovers. Miami lost the turnover battle 3-1. In fact, the first turnover was the reason they were in the lead anyhow, after going 3-out on their first possession. I mean, I do think they should have continued to run when the game was even, but there were a lot of 1-3 yard rushes in the first half. Two of those in a row, and it's 3rd and 7. I think Sherman wanted to pass some when the defense wouldn't be sure it's a passing down.

The team has plenty of talent (I sure hope we don't lose Pouncy permanently, but that is a legitimate possibility). Clearly our opponents are not as worried about Wallace as they were in the first three games. He's too small to go up and fight for the ball, yet that's what he has been asked to do several times in the past two games. I don't know enough route progressions to say, but I would like to see Hartline as the go-to receiver, and Wallace the #2.

I think Tannehill showed more pocket awareness yesterday than he has all season. The ducked and got loose on more than one occasion. He threw the ball away for only the second or third time I can remember. This team can come around. They need to run first. That's where their talent lies, but it's got to be hard for the coaching staff, who wants to run a up-tempo offense like the Bronco's or Pats, but doesn't have the personnel. I'd be torn if I were them: do you continue trying to run up-tempo, because the players need game experience running it to ever get better at it, or do you play a slower tempo, run to set up the pass offense? I think you go the latter if you want to win another game this year.

We have no choice but to stick with Tannehill and Philbin. They need time to improve. Even Ireland still needs time to improve. He has brought some good players in.

One last (negative) thing: I'm down on Tannehill's hand size. 9" was the smallest in the draft. I think he'll have fumble problems commensurate with his tiny mitts for his whole career.

 

^^this is how I feel. Which is funny since I don't remember him being this bad last year?

 

Their inability to play talented players because they may not do everything perfect in practice is maddening. Put talent on the field, the cream will rise.

 

This staff's biggest issue is that it takes them so long how to figure out how to maximize the talents of its players that it's too late.

Why it took until 3rd and 23 to decide that maybe we should put Mike Wallace in space where he can get the ball in his hands and make a play is beyond me. It took them 10 games last year to figre out the same thign with Bush.

We continue to have the same protection problems that we have had all year. We are a mentally weak team, which starts at the top.

I've said before that I don't think Philbin is horrible, but he's a completely mediocre coach. Maybe that's fitting for a mediocre franchise but we could certainly do better

 

First of all, half time adjustments are more or less a myth. There's only a few minutes during half time and they don't really occur. This is has been pointed out during our 3-0 start when the staff was being praised for their "halftime adjustments".

Secondly, we need to understand the actual way things work. Our HC has big part in the game plan going into the game. He also is in charge of the overall culture of the locker room and philosophies of the team. His others things are clock management, challenges, tough calls, etc. None of these are actually problems that are costing us games. The OC & DC call plays and make (or don't make adjustments) as the game goes on. They are the ones that must be fluid in regards to what is and what isn't working. That is where much of our problems lie.

Sherman is too old. He is in the that area many coaches get into when they are coordinators. They've seen too much and because of that, they tend to over think the basics and get too cute. They basically are calling games based on their past and not on the actual game happening. Henning was the perfect example of this and Sherman is heading that way.

Coyle, on the other hand, is just not very good.

Now, the obvious response is just get better coordinators. Much like the typical, just get better players mantra, its a bunch of hokum to expect that during a season. There are not necessarily better coordinators available right now. Making a change to just see is not a better solution than sticking with what you got. After all, we are in every game so far and we would more than likely get worse with New Coordinators X & Y just coming in mid season.

Tannehill has had some growing pains. There's no denying, his fumble problems need the most work. If he had all the real or imagined issues people have been claiming (like poor deep accuracy or an inability to read the pocket) but stopped fumbling, we would be 5-2. That's fact. Luckily, those problems can be corrected with better line play and better ball protection by Tannehill.

In the end, I think our biggest issues outside of individual players, are both coordinators. I'd like to see both replaced at the end of the season.

 

I don't know that being in a game for certain time period is any rgeat accomplishment or proof that you are close to consistently winning.

Outside of Jacksonville, most teams are "in" every game every week. The vast majority of games are decided by 10 points or less.

 

Of course you think that.

 

The coaching staff's biggest failure has been their inability to develop a QB to an elite level.

 

I'd be more inclined to believe that has been a failure of the front office to acquire a QB capable of being elite.

 

I think Tannehill is most certainly being poorly coached, and I think you've got to look very critically about the offensive coordinator's son in law being named quarterback coach.

 

Sure, thats fair to a certain degree. From what I can tell, the front office passed on Russell and Wilson and Colin Kaepernick, but thats about it.

 

I think when you get spotted 2 TD's by an opponent, and on their home turf, only to let it all slip away (bad calls aside) then yes...that's on the coaching staff more so than the players on the field IMHO. Execution obviously plays a part, as do the bad calls, but good coaching takes advantage of poor play by a superior opponent. Good coaching mitigates adjustments made by the opponent. Good coaching puts the foot on the neck of the opponent and steps harder, not softer. We don't finish games. Period. So, that to me yes...it is on coaching staff more so than the players.

 

Strongly disagree. I`m not saying theres enough time to change an entire game plan, but it only takes a few minutes for a good head coach to get the undivided attention of his coordinators and players and make necessary changes in certain aspects of a game. Other HC`s do it against us all the time.

 

Your personal opinion has little bearing on it being a myth or not. The players and coaches will tell you it doesn't exist.

 

It's hard to say. As I've always said, Ireland should have been fired along with Sparano. Retaining him causes the question marks ownership will have to look at. Is it coaching? Is it the talent level? Is it both? Retaining a big piece of the failed regime was a mistake, IMHO for this very reason.

What if Ireland is fired and Philbin is retained? Then you could have the opposite scenario. If the team struggles, how do you fairly evaluate a new GM when you retained what might have been a big part of the problem with the prior year team.

But what if Philbin really is a high quality coach and shouldn't be fired? As fans we all have our opinions. None of us really know for sure.

 

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I think the coaching staff is ok. The first half against the Pats was called very very well. Why they came out and got away from the run, and why they continue not to design plays around Wallace, does baffle me. But every coaching staff has skids like this.

If we can get Gruden, I would show everyone the door. I think they guy is a genius and real player's coach. I feel the same way about Urban Meyer. Heck, I would hire Rex Ryan if he gets cut loose in New York. I think all three of those guys are clear upgrades. Bad news, it ain't happening. First, our owner already demonstrated a disturbing ability to undermine a sitting coach with the Sparano-Harbaugh fiasco. Not attractive for guys that have lots of options. Second, these upgrades are control freaks and they can't coexist with Ireland and Ross seems committed to Ireland.

For me, we have an owner problem. He is too much Beyonce and not enough Csonka.

 

Yeah ? When ?....Dont put words in their mouths to solidify your opinion. I honestly NEVER heard one player or coach say halftime is useless or a "myth" for that matter. Again, I`m not insinuating that its enough time to change an entire game plan but to think that they dont even discuss the first half and what to do to correct some mistakes, is just plain nuts.


Quick example. The Patriots blitzed and pressured Tannehill a lot more in the second half and it made a world of difference. You really think that it wasnt talked about at halftime in their locker room???

 

Us taking a 1st time HC has back fired on us. Maybe one day philbin will succeed as a HC but I don't think it will be with the Dolphins.

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I don't like the mentality of the team, don't like their toughness or physicality til this point, if they don't come out in front of 45 thousand Thursday nite like its a 100,000 then their coach can't figure out a way to get them to play tough enough to play in this town and in that stadium.

I don't like how the Qb turns the ball over at an alarming rate, (17 fumbles in 23 games) 22 interceptions...31...31 total turnovers in 23 games..

The teams offensive skills players including Qb must execute flawlessly because we're not getting any playmaking ability when protection breaks down..

Man I wanted that trait in my franchise Qb.

Coaches set him free from this scheme or he tells them to fu&$ off, one of those things need to happen to see if we have a player here that has a real feel for the game and who can play at a high level..

 

Meanwhile, out in San Diego, Mike McCoy looks like the real deal. It would be typical Dolphins luck if the guy they passed on turns out to be the better head coach of the two.

 

Our past 3 games have seen leads slip away in the second half: 13-6, 21-17, and 17-3. To me that suggests coaching, youth, and a lack of veteran leadership presence to keep the team level-headed and whom the youngens can rally around.

 

If the coaches didn't want Tannehill, the Gm would have done his best to get them who they Did want. Aside from passing on Russell Wilson, I think we've done everything in our power to acquire the best Qb available, regardless of what the coaches thought. Show me where you think the Gm failed in the pursuit for a Qb.

Facts are that the coaches believed in Tannehill, the Gm did his part...... But the coaches are failing to progress him.

 

Halftime is 12 minutes. Only so much actually gets done in that time span. http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/timing

Most "adjustments" are made on the sidelines on an on-going basis "in game". This is where you see coordinators and position coaches on the sidelines going over plays with players. Most of what occurs at half-time is coaches correcting specific players or the HC relaying specific instructions to the coordinators based on what he is seeing from the sidelines or wanting to occur in the second half.

A lot of what happens is that by halftime, teams know what you're doing and how you're playing them. Most of the "adjustments" were previously planned out during the week or so leading up the to game and only clarified or changed during a quick conversation. It's not like they have time to do a complete change of game plan in roughly a little over 10 mins. Just not realistic.

 

Having an established QB and dynamic offense already in place helps... a lot. lol...

 

"You don't see many ostriches playing football." -Mike Sherman

 

Engineers will tell you that when something catastrophic happens, it's the never the fault of one thing. It's always a series of previous failures that cascade into one large failure.

The Dolphins, like all other sports franchises, are a system. They are a collection of persons and procedures oriented toward a goal. When the goal is not achieved, the system has failed.

It's time for a new system.