The Consequences of that Vernon Call (Analysis)

I agree, but PI calls are never enforced consistently. Its to the point I expect at least 2 bad PI calls a game.

The **** that happened yesterday was as bad as the Steeler BS from a few years back though. Travesties.

 

I'd just like to get one of those bogus PI calls in our favor for a change. There was one play where a PI for face guarding could have been called on Arrington covering Wallace. Never turned back to look for the ball. The incompletion to Wallace near the goal line, Gregory came over and gave him a shot, albeit with his shoulder, but still a hit on a defenseless receiver. That could have been a PF call based on what we've seen called over the past few seasons.

 

And just as easily as you saw him swatting it away...I saw him trying to get the ball while diving. There is NO CLEAR INTENT. CK, the ball is on the ground...hes trying to recover the ball...its not like he had time to choreograph a dance routine.

 

Anyone else think it was kinda shady how they served Pouncey his papers as well? Couldnt work through the Phins organization to do it on the downlow...had to make a big tough guy scene.

 

By the way, though he is a Patshomer I like to listen to Bill Simmons and his cousin every week. We all know Simmons is a huge Pats fan. He said this looked like a makeup game and that the Pats got every call. Around 15 minutes into the podcast.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/grantland/player?id=9893812

 

I thought the defenceless receiver rule only applied for hits to the head?
From what I remember he caught Wallace at pad level.

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He had time to make a decision whether to try and recover the ball or to swat it. He swatted it. If he steps his hand out trying to clutch the football, this isn't an issue.

 

Hmm, weren't you the guy who was saying the Patriots were not getting favorable calls.

 

Trolls coming out in force today.....

 

He'll just take the 5th, grand juries are a waste of time and just a chance for a DA to seem important.

 

Not true Pads.....what if the DA has some valid **** that warrants charges?

Remember what happened the last time we played the "what does law enforcement have game?" with AH?

 

DA's can always directly charge people, then go the grand jury for approval

As a judge once said, a DA can get a ham sammie indicted, it is a one sided story.

Where people get into trouble with them is not taking the 5th amendment to each and every question aside from giving their name

 

Report them. Dont respond. Ill get to it as as soon as work allows

 

I disagree here. The play was bang bang, and he was tripped by the defender and was on his way down. I honestly believe he was trying to recover it. But the appearance of a scramble with a Pats defender, as well as the ball going straight back like he hit it with a golf driver, did him in

 

I don't recall a team recently sending tape of a missed "illegal batting" call to the NFL for review and then a week later have Belichick remind the refs during the game to watch out for the "illegal batting" [like Miami & Rex did with the FG penalty]. The illegal batting was from so out in left field it's not funny.

Patriots should've never been in the FG penalty situation to begin with b/c they shouldn't have been gifted the Stephen Hill offensive PI that cost NY a TD.

 

If you say so. I've seen that exact call happen before a half dozen times and for exactly the same thing they called it for on Vernon.

 

So much whining. Here's the video that proves you wrong: http://bit.ly/17ontSH

 

Well, keep in mind Ck does not believe, despite evidence to the contrary offered by Sect, that the patsies get all the calls.

For me, that is just Cks' bias, which is fine, but should be acknowledged as such to give a proper frame of reference for his pov

 

this is the NFL's ONLY "illegal batting" penalty of 2013. It was called just once in 2012 and once in 2011. I reviewed the prior two and there's a clear distinction.

 

Furthermore, New England has been the beneficiary of 30 opposing defensive penalties, #2 in the NFL. Miami has had just 15. Coincidence, or not?

In 2012, NE ranked 7th in beneficial defensive penalties... and 2nd in 2011.

 

He hit Wallace with his shoulder pad to the body, that is right. But, I have seen it called before even without going to the head, when a DB has time to hold up but lays the lick with added emphasis anyway.

 

I haven't seen it this year.

 

Care to elaborate on the distinction?

Also, not sure where you're getting your data but it happened three times in 2012 alone. One time in 2011. Happened four times in 2010. Josh Freeman was called for it in 2013 as well. Total of 10 times over those years.

 

Moron

 

Are we venturing into conspiracy theory again?

Also, serious question. Are these rankings based on per game or per offensive play? And where the hell do you find these rankings? Who's been #1?

 

ProFootballReference and NFLPenalties.com both have 2012 with 1 penalty.

 

the rankings are based on yearly penalty totals.

 

Sure, me too. I disagree with it when it's called though. I'd have disagreed with it yesterday too, although I'd have happily taken it.

I was much more irritated by the blatant roughing penalty on Tannehill that didn't get called.

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Do the Patriots get special treatment? Yeap absolutely, yes they got a bad call against them last week but that 1 against how many for? hell they had a rule made for them in teh tuck rule. they get phantom PI calls while are allowed to mug the opposing team. 70s and 80s they said that about us.

Point is while I despise this call differential as it goes, we want to be elite team, we need to overcome this. we had momentum and allowed adversity to overcome us and we failed to rise to the challenge. NE while I hate them never quit, never panic. we panicked. got away from what worked in the 1st half, got back on our heels and were like "oh now not now dont come back" instead of "you got one but no more" and asserted our will. we bowed to the pressure.

is it Tannehill? Is it the coaches? Are these players soft? I wish I had the answers, but I cant stand to watch it anymore, its pathetic.

PS yes I am an emotional poster. No I dont quit, but I will not plan my week around watching this team. If I can sit down and watch I will, if I have something with my daughter I am going to enjoy that time. I will always love and support the Dolphins, but no more will I allow it to consume my emotions. I cant it hurts too dam much

 

The fact is if the Dolphins didnt think that NE would get the benefit of the doubt or were going to make a run and make it a game, then that is poor coaching IMO

 

Hey I want to pose a question. It may be a really really stupid question so excuse me if it is out of line?

Is Rex Ryan a genius? yeap I said it. Is he a genius for publicly calling out the Patriots, saying they arent afraid of them, etc? They call national attention to the game, they turn the Patriots in, they make a huge deal of it and by doing so they bring scrutiny to the game. By doing so, you think the NFL in fear of the microscope and the negative press emphasize to the game crew to call a fair game? To make sure they dont appear to be playing favorites?

Just a thought.

 

In hindsight, the ref probably made the wrong call, but the ref felt at the time of the play that Vernon had batted the ball, which is against the rules. It isn't the first time a ref has made a judgement call in a game which appears to be the wrong call and it won't be the last time either.

It must be so great to be someone who never makes a mistake in judgement. Because since you seem so sure the refs lost the game for the Dolphins, you obviously have never done anything in your perfect life that has affected others around them.

Of course a bad call can affect a game, just as I pointed out the refs affected the Jets-Patriots game the previous week. I am sure there were other games yesterday where the refs either made a bad call or failed to throw a flag when there was an obvious penalty on a play. This happens all the time and that is part of football. If you can't understand and accept this, perhaps you need to find another game to watch.

You obviously feel that the call against Vernon was the call which cost the Dolphins the game yesterday and you blame none of the loss on how poorly the offense and the kicker performed during the entire second half of yesterdays game.

When I went to pick up my grandsons from school earlier today, I listened to the local sports stations on the radio. In over an hour of listening, I heard only one caller even mention the penalties yesterday. It appears the majority of the fans here in the Miami area are blaming the loss on the coaching, the play of the offensive line and Tannehill. In fact I heard several callers state that the reason the Dolphins lost the game is because the coaches did a terrible job at halftime and the offense had no answer once the Patriots started blitzing Tannehill in the second half.

Those are the reasons the Dolphins lost the game yesterday, but if it makes you feel better by blaming the refs instead, go right ahead.

 

The call sucked, I have much more of an issue with the absolute horse **** pass interference call on Patterson and the even worse defensive holding call on Wilson. Those were both deplorable, awful, total rubbish calls. You can recover from one call that screws you, recovering from 3? that led DIRECTLY to 17 points? No one can do that, much less a team coached by this coaching staff.

 

Funny enough, I just googled half-time adjustments in the NFL (to look this more) and the very first hit is ... an article about the Dolphins and how the half time adjustments worked well through our first 3 wins (remember all the mentions of those during our glorious 3 game start)

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/s...ime-adjustments-have-to-be-fast-and-th/nZ3GS/

 

The only adjustment made was Mike Sherman deciding to run an offense predicated on being DOWN by 14 points instead of UP by 14 points.

As badly as we got screwed, and we did, Mike Sherman did more to lose the football game than rubbish officiating.