Coaching carousels are a hallmark of any consistently bad franchise. Franchises whose only consistency is in their inconsistency. Now, I could list out each coach we have had since Shula, but I don't want to twist that knife. Would just like to say that I'd love to have a single coaching staff here for many years to come (or at least more than 3 years at a time). Sure many of you would concur, but let's not put the car before the horse. We need a coach to have a vision but also the security and confidence to meticulously implement it. Without these artificial constraints and the media fishbowls we tend to place them into (that Monday presser was a sports media abomination). If it were up to Giants fans, Coughlin would have been out on his *** back when Tiki Barber was still lacing up his clown shoes, criticizing him left and right all the while fumbling just as much. Someone already half jokingly brought up Belichick's time in Cleveland. Imagine if they'd stuck with him. Eagles fans finally succeeded in running Andy out of town. I bet they're excited. I dunno, but it seems to me that the good franchises stick with their coaches through thick and thin as they acquire talent to fit their vision. Look at it this way: We scrap Ireland, the next gm (no guarantee of success whatsoever) brings in a new coach and we start from the ground up yet again with a different vision. Couple years down the line, the same folks railing about Ireland, Philbin and company will be railing against gm X and coach Y, they're canned after a short stint and the cycle of inconsistency repeats itself. Would it be too much to ask that we hang tough through these times? Lord knows we've already endured well over a decade of marginal (kindly) success. Now, this seems like I am defending Philbin and maybe even Ireland, but I actually just had enough of calling for people's heads when we don't even have clear replacements/upgrades lined up. All I ask is that we call off our semi yearly crucifixions for a little while and let these guys work things out and adjust. Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 4
Thankfully these decisions aren't made by fans cause ill admit that I don't really have the chops for evaluating coaching talent. I know I like Philbin, but we've shown zero ability to adapt with him as hc. I'm convinced that if Ross hadn't stepped in, clabo would still be starting. We abandon the run in every game. We get our young qb killed every week. Our defense disappears when we need them. But, for what it's worth, our redzone offense is the best we've had in a decade. We score tds more frequently than ever. We cause turnovers and get sacks, we just reward our defense with a crappy drive after the fact more times than not. Idk. People call for the hc head because...what else can we do? The players are contractually stuck here
I don't mind calling for someone's head if its the right thing to do. At this point, in my mind at least, the inconsistent action is taking place on the field by the players. The coaches are not dropping balls, running bad routes, missing blocks, fumbling or throwing INTs .... once the players clean their act up only then can we properly address the coaches acts or lack there of, imv.
The issue with your argument is that you are pointing out good coaches who were given time to develop along with their staff and players. It ignores all the crappy coaches who rightfully were escorted from the building. Having said that, I do agree that Philbin needs more time. He has been given a team with talent, but still with some big holes. I do think that Philbin lacks motivational skills. IMO, that's probably why he was on the precipice between coordinator and HC for such a long time.
We are one fumble and 2 bad PI calls from being 5-2. Does the team have issues? Yes. Are they correctable? Yes. If Clabo didn't shock everyone and suck, we'd not be having this discussion. Sherman is not calling good games, he's a problem. Coyle is not calling a good defense, he's a problem.
I am not wanting a change. Give it until the end of next year. No way to forsee that Clabo doesn't perform at least decently. Keller could have been a really big help to this team. Tanny struggles going down the middle, Keller would have been a great target. All teams have injuries, but man seems like we've had more than our share and most of it on D. Yeah, let's keep working and getting better and see if we can't start winning some games.
Coordinators are dropping the ball big time....but if it stays an issue, Philbin is to blame for not making changes. He hears the calls coming through the headset....he has to realize getting away from the run with a big lead on the road is ridiculous. He needs to step up and voice that point. I still support Philbin, I think if given the time to coach this team its for the good. Hopefully Ross doesnt have a quick trigger finger because of the same mouth breathing idiots who were chanting for Kyle Orton before our season even started a few years ago, yelling about a new coach....
I stated this in another thread, but for 25 years, we had one head coach and one head of the personnel department. Those jobs were held by the same man, Don Shula. It was 18 years ago that he retired. Since then, we have gone through 6 head coaches and 6 personnel heads. Essentially, we average making a change of both every 3 years. You can't resist change when change needs to be made, but you also cannot just continue to make changes without giving a group a chance to do something. Miami's situation is interesting, as you have had the GM here since 2008, but the coach is only in his second year. From my view, the verdict is in on Jeff Ireland, but the jury is still out on Joe Philbin. Personally, I don't think Joe Philbin has had enough time. With Ireland, i think it is time for a change.
I want to agree...but something is clearly off in the personnel acquisition department. We've consistently made weird / wrong moves in the last couple of years. I'm ready to admit a change is needed in the front office on that front. We're getting almost no rookie contributions, FA moves have been wonky at best the last few years, etc. I dont think we've done bad, but we're not doing as well as the top teams. If we dont close that gap, we wont get past the mediocre hump. I'm on the fence about the coaching regime though. I want to give them more time, but its been a complete failure in terms of game preparation, game calling, adjustments, and presumably coaching in regards to on the field play. Sure the coaches arent dropping balls, running bad routes, missing blocks etc. - but they're supposed to address all that **** in preseason and practice. You cant 100% blame players or coaches exclusively when it comes to those things. Players will occasionally miss blocks, drop balls, or run bad routes...but when it starts becoming a consistent staple of your team, maybe the players aren't the problem? I'm not opposed to some shuffling around of the front office or coaching staff, but I'm not necessarily insistent it happens. If it had to be one or the other, I'd be taking a real hard look at our front office before axing the coaching staff. With that said - I'd ultimately treat it as a package.
Retaining someone for years in the hope they get better is sometimes just wishful thinking. I agree that in today's NFL teams (and fans) can be too hasty on demanding a change, but sometimes it is needed. The Bellicheck example is interesting. Who is to say he would have been anything like what he is now if he stayed with Cleveland. Maybe he has 2 more lackluster years, gets fired, goes to be a DC somewhere and never makes it back up. Hell, even in New England, what happens if Bledsoe never gets hurt, and maybe Brady looks unimpressive in practice and gets cut. Way to many variables. Same thing with Reid - to be frank, he needed to leave Philly, and Philly needed to move on, sometimes relationships become stale and both sides can benefit from a change. Yeah Reid obviously is off to a better start, but Philly's issues went into many areas. In 5 years who's to say Chip won't have a ring and Reid will be offensive coordinator of Jacksonville. You absolutely have to look at Philbin as an individual and judge his performance with the team, not try to view it through historical context from other teams. You cannot say "well we are afraid he might be a Bellichek and take it elsewhere" if we have another 2-3 games like the Buffalo disaster. It's to early at this point in the season to make a call, I absolutely agree on that, but once it ends we will have a much better sense of where he is at. Can he recover, can he coach up the youngsters, can he fix the issues that we have? Or will we stay flat, will issues go unfixed, will Tannehill regress?
I think Philbin should get that 3rd season, The tough part is Ireland, If he gets the ax do other coaches get the ax? most likely yes, it stinks in a way. if we really bomb the rest of the way, some changes need to be made this offseason.
It is the chicken or the egg first debate. Is Ireland giving Philbin the kind of players he needs to put together a successful team? If so, is it the coaching staff that is falling short in preparing the players to execute? While it is obvious the players have struggled to execute the game plan on either side of the ball, ultimately, the coaching staff is head responsible, fair or not. Turner has to be uncomfortable at best with what he has coached on the field. On pace to give up record sacks. Because not all of that is on the line, Sherman shares in that stat as well Omar actually provided some valuable information the other day regarding how Miami has been outscored in the first and third quarters, and how those quarters are thought to be "coaching" quarters, where implementation of plans and adjustments are made. If so, that simply isn't a good reflection on this staff, regardless of player failure to execute. He also provided those quarter stats for the Bengals, and the numbers were opposite. They are outscoring opponents in the first and third quarters. Finding talent or coaching talent? Well, one thing is evident. One generally knows when both are clicking. And the clicking simply hasn't been consistent in Miami for a long time, and not really much under Ireland and both of his coaches. However, I am inclined to think it is Ireland who is not matching the talent to what Joe wants. Just a gut feeling.
