Such horsecrap. What world is this that a billionaire owner is lectured by a first time GM? Also, can we stop pretending that is why Harbaugh didn't come here.
You know we suck when Harbaugh and Sparano is still the subject here.... Let's complain about Wannstedt's lobster trap now.
Someone correct me where I am wrong, but there are legal reasons not comment or speculate on any employee's legal or health related issues. The team cannot talk about a player's legal status. The team cannot talk about a player's mental state in a situation like this. These get into speculation and violating a person's right to privacy. It was reported a week or so ago that Josh Freeman was considering legal action against the Bucs over comments made by Shiano about Freeman's behaviour and the use PEDs. There is good reason for Philbin NOT to talk about players who aren't practicing...
Well, you can probably bet that if Aponte gains Ross's ear and trust, Eric Mangini may very well be in the Dolphins future. Joe Philbin better be careful. Dawn Aponte is more of a Bill Parcells acolyte than Jeff Ireland is. She will buddy up to him and then throw him aside for her own personal gain.
And I think it may even be worse when there's a perception out there that Ireland overpaid for a number of free agents while possibly nickel and diming his own guys.
At this point, this argument is nothing but a circular argument. I think Jeff should have stood his ground and either called for Tony's dismissal or convince Stephen Ross to not give this organization the black eye that recruiting a coach while we already had one gave us. That doesn't matter right now though. What matters to me is that Jeff Ireland has had a hand in building this team since 2008. Now, he hasn't been the main decision maker all those years, but he has had a hand in it. He has shown that he has a good eye for talent. He's had some good late round finds. He has had some good undrafted free agent finds. What he has not shown he can do is construct a roster that fits together and manage that roster. It's not always about getting talent. It's more about getting talent that fits.
The only one I can say is really overpaid is Wallace. The other cited ones (Wheeler, Ellerbe, Clabo, Grimes) were actually cost-cutting moves, not overpaying.
Beat writers are now backtracking and saying there is no chaos in the locker room, only frustration. Just like Darlington said. Darlington >>>>>>>>>
Didn't Boomer have a "inside" post in Club where his source(s) identified a meeting Ireland had with Ross where he basically laid all the blame at the feet of Sparano and Parcells? I believe that may have become public knowledge on a few fronts a short time later. I think that's also where the Jefflon nickname originated.
Correct. The article/story stated Sparano distanced himself from Ireland after that and the relationship became strained .
Strawman. Lectured? How about .... ADVISED. Stop with the "horsecrap" and have an honest debate. You're quite literally the melodramatic female anime character in every thread you disagree with.
The South Florida media is tame when compared to the news media in other large NFL cities. As far as the media turning on the organization goes. If there is smoke, there is also fire simmering beneath. The Dolphins need to win tonight or Philbin just might lose the players on this team for the remainder of this season. If he does, his coaching career in Miami will be over.
I don't think it is a perception as much as it is a fact. He cut two better linebackers and instead overpaid for two others merely because they were younger.
Mangini is about the last guy I'd want: "Every team has its different routines. Often the most difficult part of being on a new team is getting adjusted to the way they do things. The team takes on the personality of its head coach, and every coach is different. In this case, it is Eric Mangini. I had heard a good deal about Coach Mangini from a few of my teammates in Denver. We would sit around the table in the cafeteria and talk shop, and several times I heard tales of Mangini's evil. New York, while he was coaching the Jets, was hell. No, not hell. Worse. Three-and- a- half- hour practices. Busted bodies. Jangled nerves. Cussing. Yelling. Tension. Belittling. Football, the game, was nearly unrecognizable under Mangini's demented eye. Hell was no match for it. As a veteran player gets on in age, he loses his patience for rah-rah rituals that he knows are worthless. Grown men with refined football skills do not need to be goaded and harangued. Football is brutal enough without someone yelling at you. And if you make it to the NFL, you're a self-starter. It isn't high school. You aren't dealing with children. Nobody told that to Mangina." http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland...to-the-ground/Content?oid=3625467&storyPage=1 As far as I'm concerned Aponte can take a hike as well.
It's basically this. Jeff Ireland is going to get fired, and it's not because he was bad at finding talent. Him having to put out fires every offseason is also a pretty underrated element. Some of those situations were just bad luck- Putting together a genuinely dominant OL in 2009 only for it to fall apart within a year and a half. Some of them were his own doing- Wheeler/Ellerbe for Dansby/Burnett. Pretty much every year there was some crisis, and sometimes the wrong ones got filled(OL most recently). At the end of the day, I don't think any of this really matters and Ireland is considered one of the better GM's in the league if he walked in with a quarterback.
In what warped NFL world would Ireland be considered one of the better GM's in the league? The reality is that if Ross wasn't so clueless as an NFL owner, he would have realized that he should have fired Ireland when he fired Sparano. Ireland's draft record is terrible and the Dolphins have a sub 500 win-lost record over the six years he has been this teams GM. Hopefully the Jets, Bills, or Patriots will think he is great and one of these teams will hire him to be their GM when he is fired from the Dolphins. At least I will have confidence the Dolphins will have a better team than the one AFC East organization which hires him. Unfortunately I don't think any of the organizations would be dumb enough to hire him as their GM.
Andrew Abramson. Andrew Abramson @AbramsonPBP From people I'm talking to, no mass chaos in Dolphins locker room (yet). Definite questions of play calling.
You need to figure out what normal talent acquisition looks like before you have an opinion. Like have some actual basis for comparison. Something, anything.
Fine. Show me where "advised" = "stopped". Your argument is absurd and it's being treated as such. There's no evidence Ireland didn't advise Ross to not do it.
Do you really think Stephen Ross became the largest real estate developer in this country's history and a multi-billionaire by deferring to advisers?
I agree. This years offensive line is the first real cluster**** that you can attribute to Ireland. His issues have come in Roster Management.
Perhaps the better teams in the NFL who have the majority of the pro bowl players on their rosters might give you a clue. OF course, you think that Ireland is one of the best GM's in the NFL, so why would I assume you have the slightest idea what quality talent really is.
not deferring, but you better believe he listens to those that know MORE THAN HIM on certain issues. If not, he would not have been successful.
Ross needs to can Aponte and Ireland yesterday. What an embarrassment Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk
I think you would be hard pressed to find many people Stephen Ross believes know more than him. Ross has even said that he didn't think they would track his plane and know he was going to meet Harbaugh. That inherently means he knew what he was doing would be viewed poorly, but still decided to do it.
We are calling for Dawn Aponte's firing now? What insight do you have into her duties, never mind her actual performance?
Perhaps you missed the fact the Dolphins had one of the worst WR corps in the NFL in 2011. They have had a mediocre secondary for the past six years and the OL really hasn't been a strength of this team since he became the teams GM in 2008. Even though he has spent more money on trying to upgrade this unit than any other unit on the entire roster. The defensive line has been the only outstanding unit on this team since Ireland became this teams GM. Every other unit has been mediocre at best. How so many people can look at this teams record over the past six years with Ireland as the GM and conclude that he is a good GM is beyond me. I guess records and lack of playoff appearances mean nothing to any of you. Of course I have stated on numerous occasion that I truly believe that those Ireland supporters are really fans of the other teams in the AFC East and they have no desire to see the Dolphins actually get rid of Ireland and hire a good GM. The more people defend Ireland, the more I would love to know exactly what team these so called Dolphin fans really root for, because it certainly isn't the Dolphins.
not deferring, but you better believe he listens to those that know MORE THAN HIM on certain issues. If not, he would not have been successful.
I make my (main) living through very rich people. They all know what they don't know and hire people such as me to help them with those things. Most developers don't know concrete from silly putty. But they sure know how to hire the very best in every field.
By most accounts she plays very much hard ball in negotiations, case in point hard Knocks as per the Tannehill negotiations. She may be good in her bad cop role, but as to attracting quality players to the organization I'd consider her a negative. What player or agent wants to deal with her?
I would love to compare him with another GM who is still on the job after six years and yet has a sub 500 winning record, but there aren't any in the NFL at this time. Why aren't there any you ask? Because no other owner is dumb enough to keep a GM who has drafted and signed talent which has failed to have a winning record over that period of time. The last GM who was in his job this long and had a similar era of losing was Matt Millen. Ireland may be a bit better than Millen, but no much. What team do you really root for? Because as a big fan of the Dolphins keeping Ireland, it can't really be the Dolphins.
