Lol, I had forgotten all about that. Was it Jack Del Rio that put an axe and chopping block in the locker room? Then one of the players wound up on IR with an axe wound. Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 4
The agents and players aren't the one hiring her??? This is like saying an agent is bad because owners don't like dealing with them. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
Ding ding ding. His company has over 2,000 employees. You think he makes all the choices regarding regarding all of the decisions that must be done on a day to day basis? He is a brilliant businessman. You assemble the best people around you and then listen to their advice. You think a mob boss defers to anyone? Yet they have consiglieres. The most recognizable Bonds guy in the whole world (if you're in finance you know who) hired my old company to advise him on his personal financial planning and tax planning. Why would a world renowned financial expert need to go to anyone for financial advice? It's not as if Ireland was advising him on his real estate deals.
Sounds like Ireland didn't tell him they were going to track his plane. It could also mean, he tried to do it without Sparano knowing, not necessarily the media and the public ridicule.
You never heard of NFL owners semi-blackballing agents? My point is that dealing with the Dolphins through Aponte is by most accounts a frustrating, tense and crappy experience. If there are similar deals on the table, I would consider her easily more of a negative and a positive in terms of a player wanting to sign with the Dolphins organization.
Hiring a new head coach is not a day-to-day decision. It's a decision made at the highest level. Ross didn't go after Harbaugh based on Ireland's reccommendation. He did it on his volition. There's also the fact that Ross reportedly was working with Peterson for a portion of the teams search for a coach. Im not sure anyone has the information available to determine who was advising Ross on what matters. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
This is not about hiring a head coach. This was about not firing Sparano or even telling him about it the search. That's where advisers come in. The President decides to attack Iraq. His advisers tell him how to go about doing it.
ESPN panel just ripped the hell out of the Dolphins. They were particularly brutal on Ireland and Philbin.
It is useless to argue this issue with you. You are obviously one of three things. !) A fan of another team in the AFC East who loves the fact the Dolphins have Ireland as the GM and want to see Ireland remain here so the Dolphins never get better than mediocre. 2) A relative of Ireland's or an employee of the Dolphins who will lose your job if he is fired. If that is the case, good luck in finding a new job. 3) Someone who accepts failure in your job as being okay and doesn't think anyone should be fired, no matter how incompetent they are in this position. If you love Ireland so much, I hope you will become a fan of the next team he becomes the GM for. Oh wait, it is unlikely any other NFL team would make the mistake of hiring him as their GM, so I guess you are out of luck on that one.
I have to ask if you have been informed of the news the last few years after reading this. Did you not hear about the New York Times for instance? Fact checking is not quite what you think it is in newspapers.
This is a really obtuse and elaborate way to admit you can't really justify your argument. It's useless for you to argue because you're not equipped to.
Given the lack of reliable information we have on what happens behind closed doors, the record of wins and losses must be the largest piece of evidence in judging how well a front office is doing their job. As of this moment, we are on pace for 5 straight losing seasons. If that is how it shakes out, the person in charge needs to be held accountable.
now here is a real question.... Ireland has done a masterful job building our Defensive Line AND they have results (3 Pro Bowlers)...now...why aren't they DOMINANT this year? We got Odrick alone playing at a PB level.
Thats a pretty silly stance, primarily because there is no real necessity for us to pass judgement? Those that are in a position to assess the performance of those within the organization are the ones with the reliable information.
so the two that are being stiffed...are not very professional, and our coaches are playing a guy on one leg when they don't have to.
And that guy above Jeff Ireland, Stephen Ross? Yeah he's looking at wins and losses now. He gave him one pass for the W-L record. For or not fair, this league runs on Wins and Losses. That is the ultimate arbiter, fair or unfair.
Nope. Do we think that he continued to mire his football hobby--a field in which he knows nothing about--in mediocrity because he listened to bad advice? Yep. Stephen Ross is not an idiot. No one is asserting that he is. But he's definitely put the wrong people in charge of this franchise. Here's a question that I don't think is being asked: why is Joe Philbin listening to Dawn Aponte in the first place? What does she have to offer his career or his job performance that he believes is missing? There's something deeper going on here, and I really don't like where this is headed.
Would you remain completely agnostic on the position of general manager after 20 losing seasons because someone else has more information than you? Why is it that wins and losses over a reasonable amount of time cannot inform a fan of the success or failure of the people in charge of a franchise? Is it possible for a fan to say that a certain front office is doing a good job, despite having incomplete information? Say the 49ers of the 80s or Steelers of the 2000's?
Every time I hear W&L doesn't matter this is the natural extension of that argument. 6 losing seasons? Wins and Losses are a poor way of judging a GM. Even though the point of the GM is to assemble a team and staff that ... wait for it ... wins.
With the way things have progressed in the political arena, with name calling being more important than discussing issues.. I would suggest you transfer your time from this board to working for the political party/candidate of your choice. This statement proves your worth in that endeavor. How bloody freakin' dare you write such tripe?
My argument is really very easy to justify. A 41-46 team record since becoming the GM for this team in 2008. It just isn't good enough. Of course even though I am fed up with Ireland and the way this team is playing, I will still be at the game tonight to root them on. Since you are a season ticket holder also, I hope you will be attending the game and not giving your tickets away to someone else so you can sit at home with your feet up. I would love to sit here and argue with you in regards to Ireland, but I have to go and start getting ready for the game. So enjoy the game tonight and hopefully the stands are full.
That's typical of someone that cannot provide evidence to back up their opinion on something. This idea that Jeff is the worst GM in the NFL or among the worst GMs in the NFL is nothing but the typical scapegoating, knee jerk reaction that goes on when things aren't going well. Now, with that said, I've stated my view that Jeff's problem is not his eye for talent. It's his ability to assemble a roster of talent.
You can say the football operations as a whole have performed well on the field. Trying to parse it out into which individuals within the organization are performing well or are responsible for success is pretty futile IMO. History has shown that individuals leaving "successful" teams don't usually carry that success with them. Did the 49ers front office in the 80s perform well, or did they just get lucky to have a coach that developed players much better? Was there something inherent in their organization that led to the hiring of Bill Walsh, or did they end up lucky? Results are often noisy.
He knew enough about football to go after Harbaugh. I doubt Ireland is the one that made that happen. Because she presumably is his superior to a certain degree. I would think anyone in a middle management position is going to listen to someone in an executive position. Thats generally true of almost any organization?
It really doesn't matter whether you think Ireland's weakness is free agency, drafting, or roster management, the bottom line is he deserves to be fired. It's time to move on (well actually it's BEEN time to move on, his dismissal is long overdue, but now I think we finally will).
To a certain degree. I'm not sure you can really blame them, or that most people would behave differently given the circumstances.
And his crappy job of assembling a roster of talent is the bottom line. That's his prime directive, what he's paid for and his responsibility. So far, he's failed. One thing after another- OL, WR, QB is in question, take your pick. His mangling of the OL should be enough to get himself fired.
Or he watched enough ESPN to hear Jim Harbaugh's name passed around a lot. At the time, the Harbaugh name was mentioned on every show, every hour. He was The Candidate, with speculation about his potential NFL future overshadowing even the will-he-won't-he talk surrounding names like Jon Gruden, Chip Kelly, and Bill Cowher. It's amazing how your conception of organizations, the Dolphins in specific, is rooted in academic speculation. There's nothing "presumably" here. The structure of the Dolphins organization is pretty clear; the head coach reports to the general manager, not to the EVP of Football Operations. EVP of Football Operations is now a business-side title, not the football-side title it was under Parcells. As far as the football side is concerned, Aponte is the capologist, as she was in Cleveland. This behavior, the head coach going to the EVP prior to every press conference for advice on what to do and say in that press conference, is not normal for any football organization. It didn't happen last year. It started this year. This hints at something deeper. Man, this organization needs an enema. To me, Ireland's biggest failure is that, 6 years after he was hired, we're still talking about the need to fix the same positions that he's been trying to fix all along. The OL may have 4 new starters next year. The DL may have 2 new starters next year. The secondary may have 3 new starters next year. There may be a new starting RB next year. New starting TE. New starting WR. And on and on and on. I think he can identify good players in a vacuum, but he's awful at collecting them in a responsible manner, and he's even worse at getting the ones that would function well under his coaches. I don't think it's coincidental that his big trophy acquisitions—Dansby, Marshall, Wallace—are all worse in Miami than they were outside of Miami.
While the media certainly exaggerates & its probably not as bad as they make it out to be, I'm sure there is definitely some tension in the organization. I mean, obviously. Any organization with 1 winning season in a decade is going to have issues in the front office.
Some will say there was some bluffing for the camera, but the situation with Tannehill being threatened by Aponte, from a GMs perspective was inconceivable, so it better of been a setup bluff for the camera.
Maybe the problem is finding a group of men that care enough about accomplishing something as a team, and finding a coach that knows how to get his players to have that mentality.. This is a must win...and it's not gonna be easy with the support their gonna get tonite..their gonna have to make this happen as a team.
This coupled with the fact we keep starting over from his drafts year to year. No players left from '08, few from '09...the trade of Vontae, the release of Sean Smith, the Marshall fiasco, Henne now Tannehill, still no starting TE, OL still in flux, guys like Misi and Clemons getting extensions. It's a mess.
