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Who takes the hit???.Philbin or Leadership on team???

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Nov 4, 2013.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Try Separating how you feel about the guy as a coach and lets look where the blame should lye?, there are a lot of paths you can go down here...Belief that Philbin is a decent man who holds a high value on morals and conduct, someone who would never turn his shoulder away if this was transparent in the locker room, or, you really think that his lack of attention to the locker room jeopardized the well being of a tortured soul and that he should pay, or you think that the team has poor leadership among the team vets and allowed this situation to get out of hand, or you think philbin is responsible for putting together a team that has poor leadership, or, it's an isolated incident that has been handled and we should be allowed to move on??.It seems likely that this was good friends cuttin on each other, like we all have done before, with our own friends, but, one guy who just couldn't take the tone of the jokes anymore, after the fact that his professional life was not pointing upward, and one guy who didn't know his friend to well, who's someone who doesn't know where the line is??? To blame a good man like Philbin for allegedly coaching a team that has racism running thru it's locker room, is strait fu&$in media sensationalism, BS

    This is a tough spot for the coach, one thing I do believe about him is that he runs the tightest ship he possibly can, and has great integrity, and I have mostly agreed with his belief system in how to build a team of character, I hope the players play hard for the guy because I personally can't find the logic to put it all on him..
     
  2. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Nobody. This story was blown out of proportion by an emotionally unstable player. The rookie hazing that is now considered bullying is a league wide issue and an NFL problem, not a Miami Dolphin problem. Once the dust settles the main victim will be Richie while Martin will be laughing to the bank.
     
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  3. fin13

    fin13 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I've been there you are in charge you take the hit.
    One caveat, you should be able to know what is going on, if Martin told him, Philbin is gone, period.
     
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  4. fin13

    fin13 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Big mistake was to not pay Martin, that is what got this **** going, that was a huge mistake.
     
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  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I can see that Rush, I'd like to play devils advocate here...I know we've all said some things to our friends (Lucky's example was funny) in jest and not think twice, but I'm not sure that voicemail was even in my ballpark, you?
     
  6. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Indeed. Need more details, if Martin told him specifically what was going on between him and Incognito, and Philbin didn't do anything about it, he needs to go.
     
  7. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Depends on if Martin would leave him similiar voicemails..

    I've worked in many different environments and nearly every single one of them involved people of different races or religions making fun of each other, often non-stop. In a male dominated environment I would say it's more the norm than anything.

    HOWEVER, if they knew Martin was emotionally unstable, they should have toned it down. Especially if he really was suicidal.
     
  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    philbin met with Martin on Monday, Wednesday, and this past weekend, was in direct contact with him and his parents, vows that Martin said nothing of the sort when speaking to him, now that could be design by martins lawyers, but how is the guy upstairs gonna micromanage something like this?.. I know it's easy for other coaches and front office people to say that it would be different if it was under their watch but really?, isn't that a crock a sh&$ ?... These are grown men..
     
  9. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Which is Aponte/Ireland I'd think. Neither of who strikes me as super generous, warm hearted, nor compassionate in their roles. Not that they should be... just saying they are the opposite extreme imo.
     
  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He told him nothing of the sort Vid..I tend to believe Philbin when he says this because of his character.
     
  11. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    You don't issue a public statement on behalf of the organization calling the victim crazy.

    The right thing to do is to clean house. Ross has not done the right thing.
     
  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You mean because we dismissed him for wanting to take a leave of absence without pay, he got pissed and came clean as to how and what made him jump ship?

    For the record, I don't believe the player should be paid under those circumstances.
     
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  13. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Right, well, we know the guy was unstable, yet Cognito and co still went there, so who takes the hit for lack of sensitivity, should our coach, or they guy that was just cut?
     
  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What was the medical term they used in the statement?
     
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  15. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    In a lockerroom with 53 players... I don't really think anyone takes a hit other than Incognito.
     
  16. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    mental issues. Not necessarily a medical term but a polite way of saying he is crazy.
     
  17. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Actually, Ross is probably doing the right thing. He wants an external investigation into the matter so no one will be biased. He's not making a knee jerk reaction to media reports.
     
  18. smhemi

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    I really cant blame Philbin for this,werent these voice mails and texts done in April in the off season .How is he suppose to know what these guys are doing in April
     
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  19. Fin D

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    People need to stop jumping to conclusions and pay more attention to the facts we have.

    Philbin hasn't done anything wrong. He was told of Martin's issues in April. Martin didn't blame Incognito or anything. He just discussed with Philbin his own issues. There was no incident and martin even joined in with the others and hazed and pranked players himself. He got demoted when McKinnie came in and got depressed. I minor prank was played on him (which was the same one he helped play on garner a week earlier) and he lost it.

    Not only has Philbin been on top of it the whole time and reacted accordingly as new info has come out, be also coached the team to an overtime victory against a 6-2 team on a short week during all this.

    People calling for Philbin's head for this are a 100% wrong.
     
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  20. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    These are the official press releases about Martin:

    Nov. 3

    Nov. 3:
     
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  21. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    How do you know what was said between Martin and Philbin?
    How do you know that Philbin was/is on top of all this?

    Martin didn't get demoted, Clabo got demoted, Martin changed postions.
     
  22. Unless the Dolphins told Ritchie to target Martin, the Dolphins players and coaches should be left out of this. Martin should take his case to the DA and if the DA feels their is enough there, press charges. Sort this out in court.
     
  23. 305

    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
    Can we use it as an excuse to get rid of Mike Sherman please...
     
  24. Fin D

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    Philbin said that Martin never once called out a specific player to him. Watch the PC on the official site.
    Its been reported that he had dealt with it when it came up in April.
     
  25. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Horse ****.

    Incognito was under the impression that this "emotionally unstable" player had tried to commit suicide three times- as per esteemed ThePhins posted mommabilly. How can you possibly think equipped with that knowledge that Incognito is not at all culpable?
     
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  26. Disgustipate

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    Do you think it's a good sign that Philbin learned about what had been occurring in his locker room from the media?
     
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  27. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    Don't need to watch the PC, at this point, Philbin can't be trusted. If he took care of this issue in April, why is this national news today?
     
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  28. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Culpable for what? At this point we have a voicemail of Incognito saying some weird and aggressive things.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
     
  29. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    To be fair, we don't when Incognito had knowledge of Martin's issues. The voice mails happened all the way back in April. We also don't know if the things Mommabilly said were accurate either.

    The fact of the matter is that Martin was mentally stable enough at various times this season to participate in hazing and pranking.
     
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  30. dolfan22

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    GM , coaches , veteran players , players. To varying degrees , everyone may be accountable for parts of this imo .
     
  31. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Official does not mean that it was necessarily a press release that you can find on the site.
    Official statement is any statement made by a rep to press. Official statement all week last week was that he is out dealing with mental, emotional issues.
     
  32. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The report is that Martin had only relayed personal issues towards Philbin back in April, not anything involving Incognito.
     
  33. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    This is precisely the kind of bull**** that makes this site unbearable at times.

    You ask a goddamned question, are given an answer and the evidence to review, and instead of educating yourself, you just stick your already held bull****.

    Welcome to ignore.
     
  34. pocoloco

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    leadership more than Philbin, unless of course Philbin is the one having beers and going to strip clubs with these guys.. which I doubt
     
  35. No I think its a bad reflection on the coaching staff that they were so out of touch with how Martin was feeling. Philbin has been a pretty big disappointment as a HC so far. That being said I do not see this as the organizations responsibility. This issue is between Martin and Incognito and they should settle it between themselves.
     
  36. Disgustipate

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    Messing with a teammate until he felt like he had to leave the team, and causing a huge media embarrassment and **** storm.
     
  37. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    No, an official statement is an official statement, hence why they are called, get this....official statements.
     
  38. Killer Bees

    Killer Bees Bringin' the Ruckus

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    Some of you really think Philbin should be fired because of this? wow. I don't know about you guys but ever since day one when we drafted this kid and I listened to his interviews he's always seemed a little odd. He never really seemed very confident in himself while answering questions or what not. I think maybe Jeff and crew could of done a little more work into his background or character. I don't know maybe it was impossible to tell but to me he didnt have that mentality of a typical NFL offensive lineman. But I don't really see how Philbin could be fired over this.
     
  39. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Really like and agree with what Bill Polian said tonight on the pre game show .

    What in the hell were the other players that knew doing , especially the veteran leaders?
     
  40. steveincolorado

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    Oh please, please don't ignore me....lol
    Go ahead, make my day....
     
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