Report: Dolphins coaches asked Incognito to toughen up Martin

So much for "I did not know."

 

Vick torturing and killing dogs is far worse than anything Incog has ever done.

 

If he performs like Ireland sure.......so the anti-Ireland guys, to which I am one, are anti-GM guys?

 

How would they know this? When had RI ever let loose on a fellow teammate in the pro's? On the field during play I know he had been know to lose his temper, but I don't recall any reports that would indicate he would be a bad teammate, prior to this happening.

Football is bullying, a players job is to dominate the player(s) they face. This isn't going to happen with a hug and a handshake. Hell, fans go off the deep end when they see a player on their team help another guy up. Seeing what's transpiring, IMO Martin isn't mentally capable of playing in the NFL.

Please don't twist this that I am condoning RI's actions. It would have been best for him to push the kid, to a point, physically & mentally, and then have told the coaches that Martin doesn't have the mentality for football.

 

Ok So with the NFL now investigating the Dolphins theres somebody in the Dolphins organization (RAT)that told Omar, coaches asked Incognito to toughen up Martin.I find this story very hard to believe.Why would someone on the Dolphins leek that to Omar now while being investigated by the NFL,makes know sense to me.

 

Martin is being a ***** *** crybaby. Toughen the fudge up you fat sack of lard. You weren't being "bullied" you're a little b***h headcase.

 

Putting Incognito in charge of toughening up Martin was tantamount to putting a fox in charge of the henhouse, this coaching staff got what they deserve. Make me feel a little less angry with Ritchie, I don't think doing something like that in a nice way could be in his repertoire. What did they expect?

"Hey JMart, sweetie, it sure would be delightful to all your team mates and coaches if you didn't miss any more voluntary workouts, they really ought not be considered voluntary."

 

Good anology. I think they would've been better off having Pouncey do it....but I don't know these guys except on Sundays....so who knows?

 

I read the thread title and immediately thought of this. I can't believe it took 8 pages. Bravo, sir.

 

Maybe because Incognito is not a coach?

 

If Martin fights incognito then everyone here would be saying he's a punk. He files a grievance against his employer and a fellow employee like a responsible adult would and now you people are saying he's not a man. And some of you sick ****s are.calling him a ***** cause he might have a mental condition? What the actual **** is wrong with people?

 

I agree. This fanbase is awful sometimes

 

I just waiti.g for the news that incognito t-bagged martin under the order of Ireland while turner and Philbin filmed it.

 

If only that were true.....I would say you are right but it isn't the case so you are wrong..

 

That would convince me of who is at fault here

 

If he messes up like Ireland has, yep, we will.

If, on the other hand, he actually knows what he's doing, then we'll like him.

 

I wish more people felt the same way you do. because this MESS needs to be cleaned up . I say lets burn the Jeff Ireland Bandwagon. he's worthless.

 

yeah this is pretty much how I feel reading this forum atm guy took the proper channels and acted like a grown *** man and hes getting called a *****.

 

That day I won't be on this board because I will be with a number of friends, toasting the night away.

p.s. all former season ticket holders (myself from 1978 to 2010, Jeff 1969-2010, Patsy & Leo 1976-2011 and Rick & Evie 1983-2012). We all had tickets from the OB days and remained close to each other in the new stadium. We ALL feel exactly the same about the Phins, Ross and Ireland. It's a total of my tickets (4), Jeff (3), Patsy & Leo (5), and Rick & Evie (3) 15 season tickets Ross has lost and can get back if he cleans house of every last stinch of the Parcells regime.

 

Boy, there's a name who's somehow flying under the radar. Haven't heard from him in a while...

 

He was part of the leadership council, as such a person in that position is there to help their peers along when needed. Until someone shows otherwise I'm assuming this was an isolated incident and the staff had no idea this would happen.

As far as how he treated Martin, I endured worse than what has come out going through high school, and that included physical altercations on a weekly basis. Do I think Martin is a ***** because he couldn't take what RI did, not necessarily. I do think he should have stood up for himself, and there are ways other than being physical.

 

Actually, the adult thing to do would have been to take this up through the chain of command first before heading to the press.

 

The facts just keep pouring in don't they. Certainly interesting points made on both sides of this issue. And that is what makes this sad. Other than some of the methods Incognito used, you could support his efforts because he was trying to be a team leader. And Martin's coach at Stanford, Shaw, is now letting us know what many suspected. It was a different lock room environment at Stanford and certain things were not permitted. I do recall the discussion that things might be different at a Stanford vs. a Nebraska. I feel bad for both parties in this situation. It is simply not as cut and dry as bully behavior and hazing. There are layers to this. Will be real interested to see where this leads in terms of a resolution.

 

Quite the contrary, Philbin answered that early on when another son right after the wake asked what he was going to do and reminded him that David wanted him to take the job. My feelings are that its much easier to forge ahead thus losing yourself in the job rather than continue to relive such a hurtful and life changing pain. WE all deal with the loss of a loved one in many different ways no way is wrong ... unless you check out,yourself.

 

I don't think Martin went through proper channels. At no point did he make management aware he was having trouble with Incognito. He could have brought it up with Incognito himself, we have no idea if he did. He could have brought it up to the player leadership council, you can say he didn't because Incognito was a part of it. He could have went above their heads and talked to the coaches, which according to Philbin didn't happen. Proper channels is not walking away from your job and filing player misconduct complaints without trying to resolve it first.

Now, if it turns out that Martin kept quiet because he felt the whole organization from bottom (the players) to top (coaches and front office) would retaliate against him, that speaks more about Martin then it does the Miami Dolphins organization. The guy possibly has a mental illness, and in that circumstance I could see why he left the way he did.

 

I think it is interesting Turner may be the missing person here. The guy who could have initiated this whole thing, or just one of the coaches who did so. I am beginning to believe Richie was attempting to help in his own way and it completely backfired. Not simply a case of bully behavior as was initially reported.

 

Rick I am not pointing this out AT you, just responding to something you responded to...

Are we forgetting the simple little detail that Philbin point blank asked him if there was anything going on by way of harassment, extortion, bullying to which Martin denied it and said no......Coach then makes a statement to the media, GOING ON THE INFORMATION HE RECEIVED FROM MARTIN, and said nothing is going on. Fast-forward a few days and some agent head shrinking for Martin and his parents over a plate of pasta, he THEN decides something happened and files a grievance....

Regardless of what Incognito did or didn't do, Martin got Coach Philbin in a severe jackpot to which this media storm has blown up....because it looks like to them that Philbin lied to them....so the media is out for blood....

Does anybody really think Philbin if Martin confessed initially to him something happened, would then have got in the way of a grievance being filed?

 

Didn't someone report when Chad Johnson was here that he went to the coaching staff or during a meeting & said he had personal issues and was ignored?

Could it be that the coaching staff has little care for their players personal well being? I'm not saying this is the case but I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the norm.


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So now we hear Jonathan Martin had thought about quitting football long before Oct 28.
Richie Incognito looks like a fine and available scapegoat.

 

I read that and laughed. Yeah they should have babysat Chad Johnson and kept him from leaving used condom wrappers in his car.
What a ****ing joke.

 

I simply cannot believe this story has gone to where it has.

Rex Ryan encouraged someone to fight Vernon Gholston

The fact that people are making any deal at all out of the coaches requesting players to toughen up an evidently soft player a big deal.

Give me a ***** Break. This stuff happens routinely in little league baseball people.

If my high school sports teams were around today and being monitored we'd all be locked up in prison. And people want everyone to be fired over "toughen up." I simply can't believe it

 

Unfortunately, Martin DID go to Philbin. Regardless of what was directly asked by Philbin, maybe Martin hoped Philbin would get it since they did talk and take matters from there. Philbin is probably just the type of guy who needs things told to him directly, although, because Martin did approach him, something should have been suspected.

 

yeh...but...if you listen to talk radio outside of the Phins area....overwhelmingly...it seems like people are ready to torch the Phins

 

They're just jealous because Miami has the hottest cheerleaders in the league!

 

You can't know any of that.

 

.Its life. The way people treat you and the things they say DONT MATTER. He could have easily ignored it, snd if he has a mental condition he should have been seeking help. Noone Is at fault here but M artin, because he is basically a crybaby.

 

From reports, and certainly correct me, it seems that Martin did approach Philbin earlier in the year. I certainly could be speculating given the circumstance. I guess what the meeting was about is the unknown.

Point well taken.

 

Yeah they met. But Martin didn't mention anyone. For all we know, this could have been all about Martin questioning if he was cut out for football or not. Or him explaining to Philbin he didn't feel like he was fitting in (which we now know, he wasn't).

 

If this is true, we could end up with a narrative that looks something like this:

1. Martin skips some OTA sessions.
2. Philbin and Martin meet to discuss Martin's emotional issues.
3. A Miami Dolphins coach (to be named later) instructs Incognito to toughen Martin up.
4. Harassment ensues.

If the pieces can be made to fit together like this, the media will have a field day. I don't see how Ross can avoid purging the whole regime. The NFL might even force the issue by threatening removal of draft picks etc.

In terms of impact on the team, if this is the picture that gets painted, I don't think that context, extenuating circumstances or anything else will factor in.

Note, I'm not saying that this is what happened or that I'd necessarily agree with the outcome. Just speculating.




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And this is what I was kind of leaning toward, though, maybe jumping the gun a tad. Even though he might not have name dropped, I wonder if coming away from the meeting, Martin misguided the meeting's worth and how it would affect his career?

I agree in that we just do not know, but I wonder if there was some sense of resentment toward Philbin because things did not change for Martin; misguided or not? Even if Martin alluded to his suppose lack of passion (or whatever the case), there had to be some discussion as to why he felt this way. It's the natural flow of conversing.

Did Martin hide his displeasure on the main issues, only to sugarcoat them with some of those things not as important? I get Martin just not feeling it, but if you're going to the man with those displeasures, I would hope a change would happen, either within oneself, or the environ in which the individual is placed. And maybe there was progress, then later, unbeknownst to the staff or organization, something like this comes out.

I surely hope this blows over. Both of these men can make a HUGE statement to the fans of the NFL if they can resolve these differences and get back on the field. Resolution of issues happens in everyday life. And if together, they solidify the left side of the line as teammates, which helps Miami get into the playoffs? What a damned good story it would be!