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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, Nov 5, 2013.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Nor are your reactions to them.

    Gotta love when fans try and tell other fans how they should be fans. But I'm not entirely sure they're very concerned that they've offended some peoples' delicate sensibilities.
     
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  2. Anonymous

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    Hey, if they want to look like a bunch of ***** when the Dolphins play the Chargers, that's on them. I just hope they're ready to look like fools if we happen to win our next two games.
     
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  3. finfansince72

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    I don't want to put up billboards and that sort of thing but its anyones right to do it, I don't really care if they do it or not. I do think it can go too far, I mean should fans be deciding who we play, draft or hire by placing ads? Its their right if they want to pay for the signs but I dont' really see it being constructive.
     
  4. dolfan22

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    IMO even if we win our next two games , that still doesn't eliminate that Ireland should be dismissed. Not where we should be in multiple areas , and he will not lead this franchise to the Super Bowl , therefore if he isn't the answer he is at least part of the problem . A major part imo .
     
  5. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    If you think they look like fools, what are you saying about the people who have openly supported Ireland over the last several losing seasons? Are they fools?

    For the record, I don't think anyone is a fool for supporting or not supporting Ireland. But 2 wins shouldn't make anyone a fool. Fans have had plenty of time to form an opinion and how they choose to express it is up to them.
     
  6. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    What started in defense of another member?
     
  7. Anonymous

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    Wanting to keep Ireland or have him fired isn't what makes you foolish. It's doing it in this manner. It goes for anyone in any fan base.

    They will look like fools for doing this when the team is in playoff contention and then wins an important game against SD.
     
  8. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    and in a Usual Suspects type twist it's revealed that Ireland himself was the mastermind behind the fundraising and tomorrow his daughters are seen riding a new pony.
     
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  9. anlgp

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    Dude.. it's only Wed. There's 2 more work days left in the week.
     
  10. Fineas

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    I'm ready for Ireland to go. But for me it is as much because I am just tired of hearing all the whining about him as it is that I don't think he has done a great job. He's been mediocre. Average. Since he's been here, the team overall has been average. It's regular season record is 42-46, which is not good but it's also not terrible. Especially when you consider he inherited a team that was 1-15 and which has been hamstrung by some poor coaching and several seasons in which the starting QB was lost for the season. When you compare his draft record to all other GMs on an objective basis, it suggests he has been a little better than average. I happen to not have liked many of his moves, both this off-season and in previous seasons, but they were not crazy or completely off-the-wall. I don't expect any GM to do everything exactly the way I would have done it.

    I really don't see how the Incognito-Martin thing is Ireland's fault. Martin was a perfectly reasonable 2nd round pick with no serious discussion of any kind of character problems at draft time. He appeared to be about a solid a citizen as one could imagine. Sure, Pioli and others may not have thought he was tough enough based on personality and demeanor, but there is ample precedent for the "gentle giant" at OT. Many people thought Jonathan Ogden was too soft and not tought enough coming out and he's in the HOF. Incognito did have character issues in his past but it's not liek the dolphins were the only team to give him a chance. And for the most part, that chance had been paying off for the dolphins for the last few years. I'd have preferred to have kept Jake Long, but it appears that Ireland tried to but Long didn't want to be here. And even if we had kept Long, we probably still would have lost 40% of our starting OL over this Incognito-Martin thing. Yes, we could have taken an OT with our first round pick, but the guys we could have taken (and the ones we couldn't have taken because they were already gone) have not played well so far. Joekel, Fisher and LJohnson have all been decidedly uninspiring. I liked the idea of signing Eric Winston, but it doesn't look like he's been playing very this year either. And I don't think the problem with the OL has been talent. Pouncey has oodles of talent. Incognito has talent and has been to a Pro Bowl. Martin's performance has been spotty, but he does have talent. John Jerry also has plenty of talent -- he just hasn't performed up to it. Clabo has performed poorly, but was a top 25 OT for several years in Atlanta, so talent isn't his problem. The OL problems, in my opinion, have been much more of an execution/coaching issue than a talent issue.

    But as a I said, I am fine with Ireland going. I have no ill will toward the guy -- I believe he did the best he could. He had some hits and some misses and a pretty similar ratio of hits to misses as other GMs. But he'll still get paid and he'll get another NFL job, so I'm not going to cry for him either. I think it's about a 50/50 proposition as to whether his replacemebnt is better or worse, but at this point I am fine with that.
     
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  11. djphinfan

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    If there was no drama going on that might incriminate him and I was just basing my decision on what I think is fair, I'm gonna wait to see if this years team improves on it's win total from last, and if there was no drama I wouldn't be able to make that determination at this point..not at four and four..
     
  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    That is pretty much where I am.
     
  13. ToddPhin

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    Who has openly supported Ireland? Why do you, LB, and others insist on foolishly thinking there are only 2 mindsets a fan can have toward Ireland? That's such a display of ignorance, not to mention arrogant as well b/c you guys think if fans don't share your hatred of Ireland that it HAS to mean they support him. I'll say it again for the twentieth time [and perhaps you should take a moment to bang your head against a table a few times to shake something loose so that maybe THIS TIME you'll FINALLY comprehend it]------- the mass of fans who weren't ready to fire Ireland yet had a TBD mindset b/c we approached the situation objectively rather than emotionally. Now repeat it fifty or sixty times until it makes sense to you.
     
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  14. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Not wanting him fired = support. And Todd, you have been so much more emotional on the Ireland debate than I ever have. Pouncing on a post that wasn't even directed at you with personal insults to passionately talk about how much you "don't support" a guy you've been defending on these forums for years with impassioned posts. Hell, you were banned over your passion on this topic if memory serves. Now go deny that 50 or 60 times, it won't make it any less true.
     
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  15. 5ringshowboutU

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    So what your saying is you don't have an opinion after four years and it all depends on this season, where we are already 4-4? Thanks skip bayless.
     
  16. ckparrothead

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    That would be pretty awesome.
     
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  17. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You don't think that it makes us all look bad?
     
  18. Rocky Raccoon

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    I don't have a problem with doing this. I don't understand the timing though. Why do this in the middle of a playoff race? It doesn't make sense to me. These things should happen when the team has no more hope for postseason play.
     
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  19. jdang307

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    Or it's a slush fund. Gotta pay for Cog's Ferrari somehow.
     
  20. jdang307

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    Bad to whom? A hapless team makes us look bad. When we went 3-0, was anyone saying, "oh but their fans held a Fireland picket last year."
     
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  21. ToddPhin

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    That's just BEYOND dumb. Not having a verdict = Not having a verdict. I'm sure I could dig up something on this forum where you felt there wasn't sufficient evidence available on something for you to form an opinion either way about it. So if you were a juror on a murder trial and weren't convinced by day 2 that the defendant was guilty, you wouldn't care what happened the remainder of the trial b/c your mind would already be made up that he's innocent? :unsure: You guys went on your Jeff Ireland witch hunt, and anyone who wouldn't join you, you treated as though they had to be in support of him.

    Are you high? For me to be MORE emotional than you on the Ireland debate it would require me to say Ireland is the best GM in the history of GMs and should be retained ASAP to a lifelong contract. You're sooo much more emotionally involved in this it's not funny!! You joined a goddam "Fire Jeff Ireland" facebook page, have repeatedly screamed profanities at him, begged for his termination, wished ill will upon him, insulted the guy about stuff that has nothing to do with football, and created a dozen threads about him. The furthest I've gone is to say my mind isn't made up yet and that on paper this year's team looked promising after it was assembled.

    Wrong. I was banned for stupidly responding to antagonizing, baiting posts rather than reporting or ignoring them. The mega advocates of Ireland's termination were acting like jackasses, putting down anyone who didn't share their mentality and childishly dismissed them as Ireland lovers, Ireland apologists, Ireland Kool Aid drinkers, Ireland fan boys, Ireland fan club members, Ireland family members, and even Ireland himself. To you, LB, and the like, any fans who weren't ready to make a decision about Ireland were treated as though they had to have some sort of goddam agenda to arrive at that belief. That's the type of stuff I responded to that got me banned, not the topic itself but the content behind the posts. BTW, you were one of the most guilty posters on here when it came to calling names and labeling others who didn't support the firing of Ireland or hadn't yet made up their mind about him.


    Here's a few of the MANY snippets from you:
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  22. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Would you mind using your vast knowledge of the organization's inner workings to let me know precisely what Ireland was and wasn't responsible for during Parcells time in charge so that I might form an opinion? Ditto for what Brian Gaine & Bill Parcells were responsible for considering I doubt they just sat around and fetched Ireland his coffee. Then lastly can you tell me if the moves and draft picks made during Parcells' tenure would've been the same if Ireland were in charge back then. Thanks in advance.
     
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  23. djphinfan

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    Culture JD..
     
  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Now I see why he was defending the practice of labeling people who disagree with them.

    A practice I find pointless, divisive and stupid.
     
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  25. jw3102

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    I'm not going to get into blaming Ireland for this latest incident. I understand why he signed Incognito, because they needed a guard and Incognito played the position very well during his time with the team.

    I never liked the drafting of Martin and it had nothing to do with the idea that he was soft. It had to do with the fact that I watched several Stanford games when Luck was the Stanford QB and Martin was the LT for Stanford. I didn't think Martin played well against the better DE's in played in college and I have always felt he would never be more than a very mediocre tackle in the NFL. I do blame Ireland for drafting Martin, but only because Martin wasn't that good coming out of college and wasn't worth a second round draft pick. I have held this position and stated it on this forum for well over a year. So I didn't suddenly come to this conclusion after Martin walked away from the team.

    My problem with Ireland today is the same problem I have had with him for the past several years. I just don't think he knows how to select players who can get this team to the top tier of teams in the NFL. If you want a GM who can build a team that can win 6-8 games a year, Ireland is the man for the job. I want and expect far more than mediocrity from this team and that is why I don't support Ireland as this teams GM.

    As far as Martin and Incognito go. This issue will all be played out and resolved sometime in the future. Right now though, there are 8 games left in this season and if Ireland and Philbin expect to keep their jobs after this season is over, this team needs to go at least 6-2 and make the playoffs. Anything less should end Ireland's GM position with the Dolphins and Philbin will certainly be on the hot seat with the owner and the next GM.
     
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  26. dolfan22

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    Remember the AINTS?

    Paper bag wearing fans who had enough of poor management and crappy teams?

    How many bag fans have you seen in NO lately? Maybe the management , owner became accountable? Perhaps changes for the better were initiated .

    Of course they could have gone with the same old same old and kept believing in the insanity that doing things the same way was going to change the culture and playoff record.
     
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  27. Drowning

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    Thats hilarious. Man, yall frustrate me sometimes but make me love u all at the same time (CK i love u more than a man should love another man [too far?])

    Dolphin fans. Man, did yall really raise a 1000? Impressive.

    P.S. Id fire every fokin body including the 53 man roster and those who dont dress not leaving out the practice squad either. Wake take a walk. Tanne take a long walk off a short hill. Everybody. Just to erase the memory. This is godamn embarrassing.
     
  28. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Not a fan of this and it has nothing to do with Jeff Ireland. I just don't believe it's fair to the players. That **** must be embarrassing, not to mention when they're in the midst of a playoff race.
     
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    I really can't believe people still want this guy around...
     
  30. Anonymous

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    Yes. They were terrible fans, too.
     
  31. dolfan22

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    Should they have patiently waited for the same pattern of management to magically morph into a legitimate NFL one?

    You are saying they should not have voiced their displeasure with the consistently poor direction and results of the team , or just not so vociferously?
     
  32. djphinfan

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    Anyone care to debate this point??
     
  33. Anonymous

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    Yes, the manner in which they went about it bothers me. I have no problem with them believing Ireland should be fired. Hell, I have no problem with them believing he should have been fired with Sparano. Keeping him was an odd choice by Ross.

    They don't have to do this, though. It accomplishes nothing. It makes the fan base look bad. And Ireland doesn't deserve this treatment, regardless of how you feel about his work here. Same goes for Schiano in TB, and other Head Coaches, Front Office executives, and players that had to deal with this.
     
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  34. siciliansith

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    I want a banner that says "im a child i have no respect, and honey i spent the kids tuition money on a fireland banner" :angry:
     
  35. Rocky Raccoon

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    I don't think the players would care, honestly. It's not going to make them less focused on their jobs.
     
  36. dolfan22

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    I understand your points , however some times it takes a certain action for the right reaction . If things meandered along in that semi acceptable middle of the road chasm , imo more time would be wasted before ultimately making a decision that should have been made long ago , as you alluded to.

    Perhaps Ross needs to have boorish actions take place to initiate changes that are needed , imo.

    If that is the case then I am ok with actions such as this.
     
  37. LBsFinest

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    Relax, people donated like 20 to 40 bucks
     
  38. siciliansith

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    The thing if this really had legs they would have had more than 15 people last yr in davie protesting. All it takes is a few people to pay to fly a banner where is the consensus that management should engage the issue? **** if ya wanna do something that will get real attention you set up a dinner at all miami homeless shelters in firelands name that has meaning.

    Im not against people being discouraged and angry at Irelands performance but the means they go about it is crazy. I think its a bunch of cry babys that want to tell there friends see what i did
     
  39. Anonymous

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    No team makes decisions based off the fans actions. Like I said, it accomplishes nothing.
     
  40. dolfan22

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    Sure they do .

    You don't really think that how fans act and react to their team has no impact for the owner?

    Apathy , embarrassment , sinking revenue ... and on and on ...

    I don't believe Ross isn't affected the sh*t that has and is happening and having the fan base become more disillusioned and distant will have an effect . At least I hope it does.
     

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