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  1. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    smh
     
  2. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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  3. MikeHoncho

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    I guess this is why we can't have nice things.
     
  4. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    Can't a player file a grievance toward a team reagarding an injury settlement, or am I wrong on this?

    What grievances?
     
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  5. Stringer Bell

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    Is this good or bad?
     
  6. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Lol...

    I have a grievance .... my locker isnt big enough.

    WTF is it with this kinda of reporting?

    Its getting comical.
     
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  7. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    FWIW, Sage Rosenfels twitter page tells an interesting story. Sounds a lot like sour grapes in old pasty leg's defense, but still it's just one more player coming out against a GM who is not popular with players on his team or the NFL in general.
     
  8. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    What is the sage rosenfels story it references? Link?
     
  9. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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  10. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    whats the average for a gm in terms of nfl popularity?
     
  11. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    Okay, Sage got his feelings hurt. This is a singular incident, and he had little time with the team under Ireland. The team comes first. Maybe Ireland seemed prickish during that short stint? Hey, I meet people daily who I dislike from the gun, then they turn out okay. Nothing here, IMO. Sage may be just trying to get his hands in the cookie jar.....
     
  12. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    It's not just Sage though. Many folks dismissed Channing Crowder's comments about Ireland two years ago, but Channing basically said that Jeff Ireland's tough guy routine around practice was a joke and the players on the team had no respect for him.
     
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  13. Boik14

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    The thing is....Sage was only here for 2 weeks under Jeff Ireland in a career thats lasted almost 10 years. And in 2 weeks Ireland became his least favorite GM from a guy who has been on 4 different teams and probably a half dozen GM's. Thats an awful quick turnaround time for a player with that much experience.
     
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  14. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Like I said, a little bit of sour grapes, but there's also this -

    At some point fans have to ask themselves: Why do all these players speak out against Ireland? I don't see this happening with too many other GMs in this league.
     
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  15. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Also to note, Dawn Aponte is the contract bulldog in the organization. She is the one that pushes to get money back from a player or pushes to pay the player as little as possible.
     
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  16. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    No offense....but who here actually likes the guy who is ultimately responsible for whether you have a job or not. If that guys popular in the workplace........he's not doing his job.
     
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  17. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    At my current place of employment I've had 4 different bosses (job rotations). I've personally liked all 4 of them.
     
  18. vt_dolfan

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    Look...I don't think anyone is gonna weep of Ireland gets fired.

    It still doesn't change the fact that I think what Martin and his party are doing is pretty sorry.
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    The most relevant revelations in Sage Rosenfels story:

    1. Comparing the Dolphins' position on that issue with the Giants
    2. Him saying that it took one hour in the locker room of talking to other players to realize everyone hates Ireland
    3. Him saying that he's played for five teams and nine different GMs, and he takes no issue with eight of those GMs
     
  20. Bpk

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    Ireland is disliked by many if not most players. That's my opinion. I also find his personality, as I perecieve it, to be unlikeable.

    Insurance industry studies on which doctors get sued the most, by the way, strongly show it has nothing to do with which doctors are most negligent
    or worst at their job.

    The driving factor in most lawsuits was how LIKEABLE (or unlikeable) the doctor is.

    Think about that as we lead the league in grievances, have a probable Jon Martin lawsuit headed our way, and all these players say they dislike Ireland.
     
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  21. Colmax

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    I vaguely recall Channing's comments, but I get it. Ireland doesn't have to be chummy with the players. He simply has to be a good GM for the team. Now I will not go into whether he has been good, but I have had experiences shadowing complete pricks, but are fantastic at thier positions.

    I have no problem with GMs, coaches, etc., being hard-asses as long as the decisions are made with the best interests of an organization. Obviously, those decisions can and will be scrutinized later, but if these decisions were in the best interest of the organization at the time of that made decision, I see no problem in that.

    I am not defending Ireland, but I can certainly see why he asked Dez Bryant if his mother was a prostitute ESPECIALLY after Bryant broached the subject earlier in the interview when he (Bryant) suggested his father didn't necessarily "pimp out" his mother.
     
  22. DePhinistr8

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    Breaking news...Ireland is a dick..
    Didn't we all already know this?
     
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  23. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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  24. Colmax

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    Yeah, I certainly get it for sure. I guess sometimes there are certain extenuating circumstances that we will just never know about these situations. I try to give people the benefit, but sometimes they are just downright pricks.

    Maybe Ireland is just one of those guys? I think he may have learned a little too much from Parcells.....
     
  25. Paul 13

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  26. 77FinFan

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    Non issue if we are winning. Well, really small issue if we are winning.


    In terms of Martin suing, I'll be interested to see how that plays out. Not sure what he can do since he's a part of the NFLPA.
     
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  27. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    It is what it is. He doesn't like Ireland. And yukking it up with your colleagues in the locker room or in the staff kitchen about your boss is common.

    Regardless of his position on Ireland, why come out with this now? Why hold this resentment for all of these years? It just seems agenda-based and flaky to me. Good that he is giving light into this situation, but why the take now? Ireland has had prior hiccups before this saga to chime in on. It just seems like he's holding onto a grudge.

    *EDIT* Or maybe Sage has chimed in on Ireland in the past? I just do not follow him...
     
  28. Finrunner

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    I'll take Number 2 for $100, Jack.
     
  29. ckparrothead

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    This defense does not hold up in light of Rosenfels' saying that he's played for nine different GMs and did not have a problem with any single one of them.

    You say it's common. Sage Rosenfels is specifically saying Ireland's attitude is uncommon.

    Let's not try and paint this like he's some rape victim that only chose to come clean about what happened many years later. He wasn't "holding in" anything. He thinks Ireland's a sick, and I'm sure he's probably said that any time the issue came up. It just so happens that right now Jeff Ireland's name is coming up nationally for something that has everyone's tongues wagging. Rosenfels is also retired now so he doesn't have to worry about what he says impacting his playing career.
     
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  30. Finrunner

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    He probably even thinks he's worse than "a sick". He probably thinks he's a straight out d***.

    Apologies to Stitches and Mr. Clean on this one.
     
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  31. vt_dolfan

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    I dont see really.....how with the state of our Oline....all of this...all of the circus surrounding Irelands past...

    I think the best thing for everyone concerned and to a degree even Ireland himself..is just to cut ties with him. Sooner rather then later.
     
  32. jdang307

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    Serious? Nobody loves their boss?

    If the guy is popular in the workplace he might be able to keep the good'uns, attrack other good'uns, and sometimes get a discount too.
     
  33. jdang307

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    The best thing out of this ugly episode is steam has been coming out of Ross ears for days now, and he will be boiling over come Sunday night after the last game ...
     
  34. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    wouldnt be such an issue if we were winning, then again, winning organizations have competent gm's
     
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  35. Colmax

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    I am not really surprised with Sage's comments, but merely at the timing. I said talking about your boss is common. I never said that all bosses are pricks.

    And while Rosenfels certainly has some experience with GMs, he is not the standing authority. There were prominent NFL figures and former GMs (including Carl Peterson) who came to Ireland's defense this past offseason.

    Ireland certainly is not the first GM to piss off a current or former player. Nor will he be the last. The only common ground is the Miami Dolphins organization. We shall see how this all plays out.

    I never said Rosenfels was "holding in" anything, but possibly 'holding onto' a grudge. People do it all of the time.

    And you may have pegged why he is coming out with this now because of this saga. Other than a possible phone call to Ireland by Martin's agent one day before [EDIT: day after] the cafeteria prank, relatively little has been mentioned regarding him. There was this "he said, she said" article between Aponte and Ireland that has been suffocated because of the recent findings, but unless something comes from this phone conversation, I really do not see the point of Sage's comment towards Ireland AT THIS POINT.

    Sage has not been on the team in years. I doubt he has a pulse on the situation regarding what is really going on within the organization walls, so what's the point?

    His comments on Ireland have no bearing on this particular situation saving possibly a morsel of insight on Jeff Ireland's overall attitude towards players.
     
  36. Colmax

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    By the way, can anyone expound on what were the filed grievances towards the team?
     
  37. Stringer Bell

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    The problem with these type of discussions is that they almost always center around Jeff Ireland, when Dawn Aponte is responsible for the football budget, as well as contract negotiations. She is the Executive VP of Football Administration, as well as an attorney. She definitely wields as much power - if not more - than Jeff Ireland. Its rather disingenuous for these type of discussions to only focus on a single person, and calls into questions the motivations of those making any type of claims.
     
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  38. rdhstlr23

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    1. He admitted that his issue was because Ireland chose shrewdness and money over his happiness or "care" for the player.

    I don't prefer Ireland for many reasons. I hope this is the tipping point. However, Sage just clearly showed the Jeff Ireland was taught by Bill Parcells and that lineage. It's not like Bill Belicheck is known for his "care" of players in negotiations. That's just how that tree works. It's also referred to as successful.
     
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  39. Aquafin

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    the poor house
    we wont win more then 7 games and for the team's sakes I hope we only win 3 more games so we can get rid of this butt clown of a gm.


    I think Philbin is part of the problem not the solution but so many people will cover their eyes and say "see no evil "

    its funny that dolphin fans are the only fanbase that will ignore the truth and refuse to believe that maybe we don't have the right coach or gm.

    good coaches don't let crap like this go public . good personel men bring in personel who are supposed to be professional.

    the best thing for Miami is to hire some respectfully known gm and coach to turn this club back into a respectful orginazation
     

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