http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...han-martins-lawyer-details-alleged-harassment Well well well, things have gotten more interesting.
Been waiting for this part. I mean, was richie always talking to air? Was Martin just a stone faced mute all the time? Did he never text him back anything?
I don't see why this matters? It's really doesn't contradict anything if Martin tried to get on Incognito's good side.
What kind of bull**** is this. Is everything Martin did or did not do, be covered under the blanket of "well he was bullied, he was forced." At what point he has to take accountability for his actions or lack thereof?
This is a microcosm of society today. Someone has to be the victim, and someone has to be the bully. Society today does not want anyone to take personal responsibility for anything or stand up for themselves.
WADR, you've created a scenario where no matter what Martin does he's innocent. - He sent texts to Cogs absolving him wrong doing.....doesn't matter Cogs is guilty. - He didn't follow any protocol.....doesn't matter Cogs is guilty. - He treated the VMs as jokes.....doesn't matter Cogs is guilty. - He backed out of a trip that he agreed to be a part of.....doesn't matter Cogs is guilty. - He hung out with Cogs all the time.....doesn't matter Cogs is guilty. - All of their teammates thought they were very close friends.....doesn't matter Cogs is guilty. At this point. it seems like there's no facts that could come out, where Cogs is innocent in your opinion.
Pretty much right on. I`ve said it a thousand times Incognito is no angel but, when the smoke clears I got a feeling Martins "poor little me" antics will be exposed. And NO, I dont condone bullying but this is pure " life in the NFL" at its best.
What I hate about this excuse that Martin was just trying to ingratiate himself to the bully is it's completely six of one, half-dozen of the other. There would literally be zero difference in the evidence profile of a case where a guy was being bullied but tried to ingratiate himself to his bully, versus two friends that talk trash to one another. You could have the same exact evidence profile, and it could be either. There's no difference.
My issue with it is this type of trash talk is more common/acceptable the closer you are. I have said some pretty obscene things to my close friends that I wouldn't dream of saying to someone I wasn't as close with. Ingratiating yourself with someone as crude as Cogs is just asking the comments to get more foul, and to some more humorous. Certainly isn't going to get him to stop. Not that it's relevant, and I know this is playing to stereotypes... But was JMart home schooled? Can't wait for the whole story to come out so we can just move on and focus on football.
I don't know if Martin was home schooled but I don't think there is any question he has lived a very sheltered life.
I'll be very interested to hear Incognito's side. In all of this I have been recalling all of the things friends and I have said about each other's mothers and sisters over the years. Things that we laugh hysterically about but if you were to look at a one sided transcript of the comments your jaw would hit the floor. The more I read about this the more I think these were more tongue in cheek comments that are now being used to paint an out of context picture.
True, it happens on these boards also based on some of the things I`ve read but I dont think anyone takes it personal.
Like if I tell Fin D that I'm going to pluck the voluminous hairs off his areola then feed them to lucky, we know it's not malicious. It's just Saturday night. Sent from my GT-P3110 using Tapatalk
well then wouldn't that mean Martin were operating out of deception, misleading Incognito who has no idea Martin's feelings were disingenuous? Martin's intentions shouldn't matter; it's the perception that matters, and if the perception is Martin didn't show signs of being aloof, then you gotta take the perception at face value, which is- he seemed to get along with Incognito.
yeah, I was thinking a few days ago that it seemed to me like Martin's camp simply looked up the psychology of being bullied and then conveniently built their case around that definition.
While victimization is the theme of the day, be careful about explaining away bully behavior. Bully behavior is a reality of life, but it doesn't have to be accepted and tolerated simply by fighting back. Ultimately someone has to stand up to it in some way, but that doesn't make it right. And as I know you follow the news. When bully behavior isn't prevented it can lead to some quite tragic results. When I was bullied I allowed that to happen and the notion that I should just take personal responsibility didn't just present itself while going through it. Just like losing, being bullied takes a toll on a person. There are layers to it. Today I wouldn't take any (*&t off anyone. But I would handle it in such a way as to avoid conflict. My past helped prepare me to deal with pushy people who bully others and for dealing with aggressive and destructive behaviors among the people I serve. My dad always wanted me to take self-defense. I did that years later as an adult, and the valuable lesson was that learning the discipline of Hapkido helped me to learn the best martial arts techniques are those you never have to use. Nothing wrong with standing up for yourself; being a man. But not as simple as you put it. Never that.
If you had evidence on Martin, it would be out now as Ritchie is getting buried right now. Ritchie doesn't seem smart enough to save it to win in a court of law when he's getting slaughtered in the court of public opinion.
yup, and that's probably why we haven't heard a peep from Jon since this all began. As soon as he showed the voice message to his mother [even if it was innocent in nature to ask for mom's non-legal motherly advice], mommy said, "Step aside son, no one calls my boy a half-****** and gets away with it!" Couldn't think of a worse person in the country to get ahold of Incognito's message than a black Harvard attorney-mother of a biracial boy. Maybe Condoleezza Rice or Mrs Obama.... or Oprah.
I think Richie is smart enough... I think he's going to try and have his side, tell Martin's side about what he's got, and what he plans to do with it to try and make this all go away, without taking it to the media, and breaking the code of the lockerroom as Martin did. Richie at least probably wants to do this this smart way because he wants to play football again, Martin on the other hand, couldn't care less.
That would be the smart play by Cogs, this thing getting uglier everyday is only good for ESPN and the lawyers, no one else.
Maybe his attorney is that smart, but I highly doubt Ritchie is. Ritchie is a hothead and hotheads do first and think later.
I have faith that the investigation will bring out the real truth. At this point, I couldn't really care less. I'll be happy when we can get back to watching some damn football without having to hear about the whole ordeal. On the down side, I will probably get drafted at work Monday night, and miss most of the game.
Only when he is intoxicated or hyped up during a game. He has handled this entire situation in a rather contrite and calm manner. I am sure he has consulted with his lawyers and they are staying quite and building their own case. Almost like a boxer weathering a flurry of body blows to let his opponent wear himself out before he starts countering. Be interesting to see who delivers the knock out.