Opinion: Jeff Ireland Will Not Survive to 2014

I agree that there were some individuals on here who were extremely high on Weeden, but they were a minority of the posters on this forum. It only appeared there more more of them because the few who supported taking Weeden in the first round were adamant in their beliefs. They constantly tried to support this belief by consistently posting how great they thought he would be as an NFL QB.

I doubt though that there were more than 4-5 individuals who actually wanted to draft Weeden over Tannehill.

 

I lot more than 4-5, won't mention names, but a couple people with huge egos wanted Weeden.

 

The post I quoted was essentially all about coming to a conclusion based on this year's record. And my point was that this year's record was likely irrelevant in regard to Ireland's perfomance.

By the way, I'm firmly in favor with replacing Ireland. I've been for several years now. But it has nothing to do with this year's record. 7-9, 10-6, 12-4, 4-12 ... the record doesn't change the fact that the team is build in a fundamentally wrong way, in my opinion.

 

I said the "chatter" was quite high regarding Weeden but maybe this has more to do with the people that were espousing the opinion than the opinion itself.

I actually think Weeden is a cautionary tale. Just because you are well respected on a message board, are given a platform in a local paper, are passionate about the sport and possess strong opinions does not necessarily mean you have a clue to what you are talking about.

 

I wouldn't call those who wanted to take Wilson in the later rounds of the draft, Wilson supporters. They were merely individuals who though Wilson could be drafted in the later rounds and perhaps come in and compete for the job after a couple of years of sitting on the bench as the third string QB.

The actual Wilson supporters wanted the Dolphins to draft him in the early rounds because we felt he could come in and compete for a starting job immediately. Obviously Wilson developed much faster than all the teams in the NFL expected, or he wouldn't have lasted until the third round to begin with.

I certainly don't apologize for wanting Kuechly in the first round and Wilson in the second round, instead of taking Tannehill with our first round pick. Tannehill may still prove to be an excellent NFL QB, but I imagine if the draft were held today, Wilson would certainly be drafted before Tannehill.

 

This, you and I agree on 100%.

 

Yup....

 

That would change my opinion.

 

My problem with Weeden always came down to two major areas of concern.

First of all, he played in a pass happy conference against teams with terrible defenses. This helped his passing stats in college, just as it did most of the other QB's in that conference, including Tannehill, RG3, and Landry Jones. Weeden also had the advantage in college of playing with the best WR in college during his senior season.

My other concern regarding Weeden is that he failed as a major league baseball player. I just felt that he had already shown that he could be productive at the minor league level of sports, but I questioned if he could succeed at the highest levels of the game. He failed in baseball and I thought it would happen again when he got to the NFL.

A lot of Weeden fans told me one thing had nothing to do with the other and that Weeden would be star in the NFL. As I stated, there were just a few of these Weeden fans wanting the Dolphins to draft him in the first round, but they haven't said anything about Weeden since he was drafted by the Browns and once again has proved to be in over his head at the professional level of sports.

I give him all the credit in the world for being a very productive player in both the sports at the lower levels of the game. There are very few individuals who have the talent to be given the opportunity to play in major league baseball and the NFL. He obviously is blessed with talent. He just isn't blessed with the type of talent which allows him to be a success once he gets to the top. Of course very few players have this type talent, so Weeden certainly has nothing to be ashamed of.

 

I remember getting into some pretty heated exchanged with a few Weeden supporters before the draft, but it just didn't seem like there were that many people on here who supported taking Weeden over Tannehill. There were several people who wanted to take Weeden in the 2nd round, if he was still on the board and the Dolphins didn't take a QB in the first round. I just don't remember there being more than 4-5 who actually wanted to draft Weeden and not Tannehill with the 8th overall pick.

Heck I'm almost 63 years old and my memory isn't what it used to be. So maybe there were more Weeden supporters and I only remember those I actually had discussions with on this forum before the 2012 draft. If that is the case, oh well, getting old sucks sometimes, but it is sure better than the alternative.

 

Free speech comes at a cost to reputation when you are wrong.

 

I have never met anyone who hasn't been wrong about something, including me. So I guess none of us have a perfect reputation either. That is merely just part of the human experience. As long as I am right in regards to how I treat my family and friends, I'll be a happy camper.

 

Yeah, same here. I will be really bummed, but I am hopeful that this current crisis unites the team.


I will say that I be a new GM coming in would be very, very happy w/ the financial position this team is in (salary cap). There is real $$$$ to be spent next year, it just has to be spent wisely.

 

Here comes the Blind Homer Teflon Coating.......

 

If you go dig through some pre-2012 Draft podcasts, you'll find a highly respected member of this board clearly advocating taking Weeden with the 8th pick.

So when these are the same people also calling for Ireland's head, it rings pretty hollow.

 

What would you propose? A ban? This is ridiculous. Every person here has thought things that have been right and wrong. The prediction that a mediocre on his best day GM will get fired is far from outlandish.

 

What if the prediction is 3 years old?

 

How bout I tell you where to wad that up and stick it there...

If you've read anything I have posted in just the past few weeks alone, you'd know that I have openly been in favor of replacing Ireland. Just because I also question how Grier has lasted 14 years in the Dolphins mediocre scouting department, and 4 years leading it, doesn't mean that Grier's department failures should rest solely on Ireland. He and any other staff member should be judged on their own merits.

And while I'd like to see Ireland replaced, I still try to be fair to the man, unlike some of the more blindly idiotic vitriol that get spewed on here.

 

Idiotic vitriol sounds so harsh, it's more like group therapy for the lesser informed.

 

Maybe meeting him should have given him a clue. Everyone else who met Martin seemed to notice something was off.

Oh wait, noticing that would require interpersonal skills, which Jeff lacks. Like Martin.

#nowitmakessense

 

Ya know you guys *****ed and moaned last time Jeff asked a draftee the tough questions

 

I don't understand the hostility? Why is this bothering you this much, Pads?

I feel like I missed something.

 

Here is what is bothering me...it's a dog pile..throw whatever up on the wall, maybe it sticks, maybe it does not...very irresponsible..and I fully intend to hold hacks responsible.

 

In my opinion, that's a defense for a GM whose team has had some success in the NFL. Jeff Ireland is not that guy.

 

I think you will notice that many people who also wanted the Dolphins to draft Tannehill are now also questioning if Ireland is the right man for the job. So just because someone who wanted to draft Weeden is now advocating getting rid of Ireland, he certainly isn't in the minority on this forum or in the South Florida community.

 

Come on Padre..this is far from throwing **** on the wall to see if it sticks

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Martins mothers work.

They need to work more on suing for fraud and slander.

 

I would have bet he wouldn't survive before the Incognito stuff. Now I'd be surprised if he survives. And I'd be disappointed since I have never been convinced at least an adequate replacement couldn't be found, not to mention a likely upgrade.

 

Good point If there's a known upgrade that is proven and wants the position it's worth the look but why trash yourself just for the sake of making a change.

 

In 2008 the Dolphins had the biggest 1 year turnaround in the history of the NFL, Jeff Ireland was the GM at the time was he not?

 

As of NOW you'd be surprised but there are 8 game remaining to be played and things can change dramatically between now and the end of the season.

 

6 years ago... and every season there is either drama directly involving him, the staff, or members of the team that he either drafted or procured via Free Agency.

I try to be fair to him, but the losing seasons and on-going distractions, coupled with the immense dislike that the majority of the public has for him hurt the team's perception at a larger audience. Fair or not, it's time to move on from a PR perspective, and from a player evaluation perspective, IMO.

 

Agreed and that is on the coaches at this point.

 

I thought he wasn't calling the shots then? Parcells was, right?

Ah, doesn't matter if we finish 4-12, 6-10, or 7-9. I was told a GM shouldn't be held accountable or judged based on the team's overrall record. The teams he built.

A team with continuity at coaching, OL, and a developing QB in his 2nd year finishing with the same 7-9 record as he's finished in 3 of the past 4 seasons........AFTER spending 200 million in FA. If there are people still defending him to keep his job after that then I give up. To even say "I'll have to see at that point" is ludicrous. There is no more excuses at that point.

Let's just hope this team is able to muster up a 10 win season and a wild card spot.

 

Everybody's dying to know how you're going to do that. You can't stop opinions. If you don't like them ignore them or say why you think they're crap. Past that I don't really know what this is besides angry rambling.

 

Has he not been the GM since then ? How many winning seasons since then? playoff appearances? wins? You are ok with that track record? Or he just needs more time?

 

A lot of fans are calling for his head right now, which is fine.

A few wins will quiet the noise though. Firelanders run and hide when the going is good.

 

Agreed. Players too.

 

So in the past six years they've generally been out in the open.

 

We have 8 games left , a few wins are how many? 3 ? 4?

Is there a drop dead date to make the playoffs and win a playoff game?