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Ireland's offense

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Bumrush, Nov 12, 2013.

  1. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    WR corps- Improved but the star player being outshined by 7th round draft picks and 2nd string backups - FAIL
    Draft class- Complete and total fail. For a GM in save his a$$ mode, he sure did a poor job drafting players that could make an impact- FAIL
    OL - No need to discuss
    RB- Probably a reflection of the OL, but Miller and Thomas don't start in 90% of the league. In fact, Tampa's 3rd and 4th string RB's may be better than these two.

    Tannehill is the real victim here. He has decent WR's but is hamstrung by a diva that doesn't seem to care on the field. The OL is pathetic and can't pass block nor run block. Our RB's are mediocre at best, bottom 5 in the league at best.

    With the exception of Grimes, Ireland's revamp is turning into a nightmare. The silver lining is the emergence of Hartline, Matthews, Clay and Gibson.

    I think we have a solid core of player on offense that can do great things, if we find a competent GM that can give him time to throw and can ease up the pressure by having a legitimate running game threat.
     
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  2. Anonymous

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    Not being able to draft receivers is what puts us in a position to over pay for Wallace and Marshall. Then they don't pan out and we're stuck with a receiver we traded for and gave a huge contract.

    I think we could invest more into the skill positions if we wanted to but it's not absolutely necessary. We need to build a better line.
     
  3. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    draft class. I hae no idea what's going on with this draft class. You can't judge them yet because we won't play them. The only bright spot to basically being elimnated from the playoffs now is hopefully we can start seeing Jamar Taylor and Will Davis play instead of Jimmy Wilson and RJ Stanford. Jesus. Don't even get me started on Dion Jordan. Guy had a great pass rush again today and then we take him off. wtf.
     
  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    When I see Tannehill, I see a Qb who has "it".

    When I see out offensive line...I worry for Tannehill's future, guy will look down the field and try to make it happen, his offensive line fails him time after time after time.

    I think our Wr/Te/Rb is a great situation, I think THill is our future Qb.

    I think every offensive lineman, including Pouncey, should worry about their jobs.

    Further, think Sherman does not adjust to what he has to work with, not what he would like to work with..that sweep in the EZ for a safety was totally predictable..yet he called it anyway.
     
  5. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    I think if you remove Wallace we have a good corp of WR"s with Gibson coming back and Clay's emergence as a TE threat.
     
  6. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    I don't think we have a great situation at RB. Miller is overrated and I don't get the hard on everyone has for him. He isn't quick to the hole and hesitates at times. He can't break a tackle to save his life.

    I will admit that he did pick up some nice blitzes tonight.
     
  7. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Our core of WRs is very good. We need a speed guy that isn't a lazy POS, and we'll be tight.

    We have to fix the OL, then we'll be fine. Problem is we can't fix it this season.
     
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  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Disagree, we saw the same thing with Bush last yr, he was dodging guys in the backfield, Miller is running sweeps that are being blown up b/c the offensive line CANNOT hit targets to block.

    Dropping Wallace would be massively foolish, problem is Tannehill only clicks with guys he worked with last yr, think about that for a moment.

    Matthews was a inactive last yr, tonight he looked like an all pro, Caly came from nowhere as well, this is how Tannehill deals with his guys...he has rapport or the guy looks out of place.
     
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  9. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    Wallace just needs to grow a pair and start playing like someone who wants 60M dollars, instead of someone who already has them. Dude acting like he really does not even give a crap out there.

    Aside from that, I could almost accept the underwhelming linebacker play, because we did get Gibson, who was breaking out and Grimes, who is a stud. However, the O-line is just abysmal. This is the real issue and it is completely game breaking. The O-line is completely sinking the team.
     
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  10. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I'm not so sure the OL can't be fixed, the question is more whether Philbin has the balls to make changes, so far he just has not shown he has.

    THill was sacked what..twice?

    Problem was, they were key sacks, as per usual, at some point even "Coach Joe" will be like "can't trust those guys"
     
  11. WhiteIbanez

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    I hope everyone gets my take on Miller during the offseason when all I heard was about speed and 1500 yards.
     
  12. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Especially some of those people in fantasy football that drafted him in the 1st round.. Based on what, I have no clue.
     
  13. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    The players aren't available to fix it. Balls aren't part of the equation at this point. The line didn't run block for **** either.
     
  14. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Miller is not the problem with the running game.
     
  15. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    That PI call on Grimes totally p***ed me off tonight...but I figured, no, expected calls to go against us like that.
     
  16. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Yet he has never proven that he is the solution.

    Also, what happened to his prowess as a WR? Last time I check he can't break an open field tackle to save his life and also dropped a few critical passes as well.
     
  17. padre31

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    Yeatman at LG, Garner at RG, hell maybe Jerry at RT

    To continue with the same lineup is simply insane.

    2 yds rushing...2...
     
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  18. CitizenSnips

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    PI calls have to become reviewable at some point. It's unbearable anymore. it's essentially a "WR didn't catch it" call now. I look the for the flag on EVERY. SINGLE. INCOMPLETION. now. Ou defense could make a huge stop and i don't get excited until 5 seconds goes by cause im just ****ing waiting for it.
     
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  19. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    The boneheaded Wheeler penalty was significantly worse than that PI call. Horrific.
     
  20. GMJohnson

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    Yeah I was waaaaayyy off on Miller. The guy runs like he's in a scrimmage.
     
  21. CitizenSnips

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    oh, i'm not going to defend that mofo. the ****ing idiot
     
  22. WhiteIbanez

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    Did we have 2 yards rushing against an 0-8 football team last season. Miller catches the football and turns waiting to get hit. His vision is bad. He makes no one miss. The only way he gets yards if if the hole is huge. I would love to see a guy back there who makes plays.
     
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  23. Bumrush

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    I can't comprehend how people are so blind to that. I mean he isn't as bad as Ronnie Brown was with his field vision, but at least Brown had strength.. Miller has slightly better field vision than Brown but no power.
     
  24. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Not playing the draft class is a failure in itself.

    Last year the Colts used their draft class and made the playoffs. Rookies should be in the games playing with veterans or something is wrong. Vick Ballard had over 800 yards on the ground. Luck, obviously, was outstanding. Dwayne Allen & TY Hilton looked like more than rookies.

    Now it is hard to have that much success, but why settle for less? Even if we had just TWO players contributing it would be nice.
     
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  25. phinswolverinesrockets

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    how hard is it to run swing passes/checkdowns to our rb with 4.3 speed if we cant run the ball? how hard is it to move mike wallace around sometimes in slot to create mismatches? how hard is it to understand that you shouldn't keep running edge runs with the worst offensive tackles in history? how hard is it to have your qb use his 4.5 speed when the are 10 yds of space in front of him? how hard is it to understand that if you have success in hurry-up, then maybe you should run that until it stops working?
     
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  26. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    How about all these hard hitting rookies contributing on a weekly basis for many teams? I can't tell you how frustrating it is to watch NFL games and see rookies scrap, fight and hit hard on the defensive side of the ball while watching ours do absolutely nothing.
     
  27. unifiedtheory

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    Skill positions are fine, we need a big back though, Daniel Thomas is a bust.

    We have our quarterback.

    We need, perhaps and ENTIRE offensive line. We are in week ****ing 9. There are zero solutions internally.

    Moving forward, after Ireland and Turner are gone, maybe we can assemble a semblance of an offensive line. The Bears blew up their entire line this past offseason, so there is a sample to use. Our issue though is, once again we have to overdraft a position, completely forgetting other positions. We could have big problems at defensive tackle and our #1 corner is playing on a one year deal.
     
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  28. padre31

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    Well, to sum up the 2013 Dolphins:

    Soft

    Just watch games, and you can see it, from Miller not breaking tackles, to Lb's rarely filling holes and stuffing Rb's, to ST's not blocking well.

    Think about this, Thigpen with no blocking at all, did better than when we actually had their gunners covered, that screams SOFT
     
  29. Fin D

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    Trade Pouncey too. eff it. Gut the whole damn line.
     
  30. Bumrush

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    I don't think soft is the word.

    It just flashed in front of me- Disjointed.

    I think it is becoming clear that this could be a locker room issue, regardless of the Martin situation. CK had hinted in the past that pieces Ireland assembles don't mesh well. Seems like we have talent but not the type of talent that can play congruently.

    To me that falls more on the GM not having a solid philosophy of how his team is assembled.
     
  31. padre31

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    Here is a quick way to tell

    When our guys contact opponents, do they fall forward, or do they knock us backwards?

    When our offensive players contact opponents..do they fall forward, or do our guys fall backwards?

    This is what I'm seeing, and in all 3 units.
     
  32. Bumrush

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    Is that being soft or lacking talent?
     
  33. padre31

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    That is pure "D" want to BR, like Trusnik trying to cut tackle that Buc, instead of wrapping up and driving them backwards.
     
  34. Bumrush

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    He looked like a little ballerina there, didn't he?

    Saddest attempt at a tackle that I've seen in years. Almost as bad at Wallace's feeble attempt to fight for a ball.
     
  35. Rocky Raccoon

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    Amazing that the offensive line has ****ed us both on and off the field. That one unit has completely ruined our once promising season.
     
  36. padre31

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    Wallace was moving in the opposite direction AND the ball was underthrown..that is how it was picked off.

    Ideally it would be Wallace v the Safety w/Wallace heading towards the EZ forcing the safety to either int, or cause a PI penalty.

    Revis had leverage underneath, the ball HAD to be thrown further down the field
     
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    On another note I don't know why RT waits till 4th and 28 to throw one up like that. It should happen 3-4 time per game. Wallace roasted Revis for a TD and RT missed the throw. And a few crossing routes please? Speed works vertically and horizontally as well.
     
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  38. padre31

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    B/c the protection is just that bad GMJ, go ahead and call it, when we see THill spraying the ball around the field in tight windows with quick passes, the risk/reward makes little sense.

    Now if they rolled THill out, and used that arm strength of his..absolutely, currently however he is anchored in the pocket..and a sitting duck.

    That falls on Sherman.

    IDK why they are treating a Rich Gannon type Qb like Craig Morton
     
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    I literally cannot see a scenario where they march out the same 5 guys, in the same 5 positions, moving forward, it is just that bad.
     
  40. CitizenSnips

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    because wallace doesn't fight for it. Tannehill has no reason to believe Wallace will catch it. Tannehill has no reason to believe it won't get picked off. Tannehill can't even have faith that Wallace will keep his ****ing feet in bounds if the ball does get there. Wallace is a failure and waste.
     
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