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The reason Dion Jordan only took 9 snaps last night.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Paul 13, Nov 12, 2013.

  1. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    As Kevin Coyle put it today during his question and answer period, the reason Jordan was only in on 9 snaps was due to Tampa running the ball so much. That Dion's game this year is not to defend the run, that is not his strength. That he is only around to rush the passer. I'm paraphrasing what Coyle said but that was essentially it.

    Here are the exact quotes:

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP 3h
    Coyle on Dion Jordan: Dion is not going to be in there in games when teams are slugging it out, running the football

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP 3h
    Coyle: that's not Dions strength at this point in time. That's not going to change this season.

    Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley 3h
    Coyle says that Jordan won't be on field when teams are "slugging it out, running the football. ... That's not going to change this season."

    Reaction: Are you ****ting me? Are you really saying that in front of the rest of the league? This is your #3 overall draft pick!! The guy you traded up for. And now comes the realization that he is limited and can't play the run (better than say Trusnick). Now it's one thing to say internally, "that Dion Jordan, he's not 100% this season due to the shoulder. We should limit his exposure in obvious run downs. " But to use that as an excuse to why he's not getting snaps... I'm at a loss for words here... well not really, i could go on talking all day. Why don't you just put placards around your players necks when they take the field that tell the opposition what their weaknesses are.

    Jordan should be put on IR, but then that would make Ireland look bad and we can't have that at the moment.
     
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  2. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Why would we put him on IR? He plays. Just not on running situations because they feels he's bad vs the run.
     
  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Jordan doesn't play Trusnick's position.
     
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  4. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    you sure? I've seen Trusnick at DE.
     
  5. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    he can't be counted on to play football (run and pass). why even expose him to further injury?
     
  6. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Trusnick is an OLB. Well that is at least what he tries to play.
     
  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Trusnick plays Misi's position. Meaning he lines up at OLB/DE depending on the play call.

    I do not agree with their assessment. Other than thinking that Luck threw the ball, Jordan looks like their best tackler.
     
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  8. Limbo

    Limbo Mad Stillz

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    Well this is a tough one to wrap your mind around. Damnit.
     
  9. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Trusnick was lining up on the line of scrimmage yesterday at times, in two point stance. Dion Jordan played that position in college.
     
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  10. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Coyles handling of Dion will be the reason I don't care when we fire his *** and get a new DC next year.

    PLAY HIM YOU ****ER!

    Oh no, he might get run over? You mean like OUR ENTIRE DEFENSE DOES ANYWAY!?

    I can't handle this bull****.
     
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  11. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Dion Jordan doesn't play that position in the pros.

    I think he should, however I am not a defensive coordinator
     
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  12. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    In the limited showing I have seen of dion Jordan playing in open space this year I have been thoroughly impressed. But that's just me and I don't get to see him practice. I'm not sure why he isn't given the opportunity to play more than just pass rush DE.
     
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  13. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    My goodness... I hope someone can post a video montage of Trusnick vs run plays last night. Jonathan Martin's mom should represent him for getting his *** handed to him on the field.
     
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  14. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    so I think you're agreeing with me now. Yes part of the problem is that Coyle doesn't know how to use Jordan effectively.
     
  15. Limbo

    Limbo Mad Stillz

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    Has Jordan spoken at all about how few snaps he's getting? Curious what's on his mind, what they've told him. Nothing like trading up for guy, guy looks good, guy sits on bench while the rest of the defense sucks.
     
  16. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    it's just another example of how our coaching staff can't make in game adjustments. The Bucs lost Mike James. The Bucs countered with going heavy and running the ball with Brian Leonard. We countered by taking Dion Jordan out of the game and lining up Jason Trusnick as a strong side linebacker on the line of scrimmage, in a two point stance. Apparently years of college tape of Dion Jordan doing just that escaped the memory banks of our defensive coordinator.
     
  17. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I agree with the statement that he isn't being used correctly.

    I do not agree with the idea that he is bad against the run or that he should be on IR.
     
  18. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So......we traded up for a player that we simply don't know how to use or doesn't fit our scheme? He needs to play, at this point either put him on the IR and get him healthy if thats the issue or play him and let him make mistakes. He cannot be worse against the run than the rest of our team was last night.
     
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  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    He is not going to say anything.
     
  20. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Speaks volumes about him as a team player though.
     
  21. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    precisely... 100% agreeEeeeeEE
     
  22. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    The guy makes plays every time he's in the game. He's forced two picks already.
     
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  23. anlgp

    anlgp ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A

    You mean to tell me the #3 overall pick isn't in the game on run downs?
     
  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Of the nine plays he made two impact plays
     
  25. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    There is a really nothing here.

    Teams do not (or rather should not) give other teams insight on personnel packaging regarding players. But is Dion Jordan an important cog right now? Not really. It seems Coyle is simply just being up front. Other teams probably already know this.

    Remember how bad Wake was in his first couple of seasons against the run? Jordan is a pass rush specialist. Until he becomes a more complete player, he is purely situational.

    I suspect when the Dolphins are truly out of the playoff hunt, he will get more reps.
     
  26. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Then why wouldn't they stick him at Lb?

    This staff just disappoints me constantly,
     
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  27. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Nor will Coyle be shortly.
     
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  28. Anonymous

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    He needs to play to gain experience and help with the pass rush.
     
  29. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    :lol:
     
  30. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    this
     
  31. Ludacris

    Ludacris Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Translation: "We still don't know if he should play OLB or DE. That's up to whoever is the HC next year"
     
  32. sonn

    sonn Black Mamba Club Member

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    I'm starting to think a group of monkeys can do a better job coaching then this bunch.
     
  33. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I've been espousing the defensive weaknesses since week 3. These weaknesses won't go away so long as Kevin Coyle is running this defense.
     
  34. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    My biggest problem was why the team did not blitz earlier after he saw the base package not getting the push?

    Rookie QB. Just expect that kinda thing to rattle him a bit.....
     
  35. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    teams pass on NON obvious passing downs, coyle knows this right?

    Have you ever noticed we pretty much never get pressure unless it's on obvious passing downs?

    I hate this team :cry:
     
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  36. Desides

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    No, because he was rarely in the game on run downs, and his excellence at pass rushing--the more important of the two phases of defense--far and away outweighed whatever problems he had against rushers.

    Literally no one will ever say, "Yeah, Cam Wake was awesome, but he struggled against the run for a year." Except Omar Kelly.
     
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  37. ToddPhin

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    No sh-t Tampa was trying to run on us and succeeded. Why wouldn't they when we have Misi injured and Coyle rolling with the weaker duo of Vernon & Trusnik on the right side and leaving Starks on the bench? :pity: Having Trunsnik on the field instead of Starks is a downgrade. Had Coyle wisely went with Wake-Starks-Soliai-Odrick up front and Vernon at OLB, there would've been minimal gains on the ground, leaving Jordan with plenty of 2nd/3rd & long opportunities to rush the passer. Tampa already had 10 points on the board before he figured that out.

    The second answer is- who forced you to pigeonhole Jordan at end and put yourself in the position to choose Jason fuggin Trusnik to start at the hybrid OLB position over a top 3 overall pick who was arguably... get this... the draft's best hybrid DE/OLB? No one to blame but yourself, Coyle.
     
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  38. djphinfan

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    I think Dion Jordan would be best suited in the role that has never been labeled..I think he will be a better all around player and more dangerous to an offense that way then if he were just a def end..

    Unleash the freestyler baby..
     
  39. ToddPhin

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    yup. Get our best talent on the field. At least go back to a hybrid D while Misi is injured, with Wake-Starks-Soliai-Odrick [closed right end] and Jordan the hybrid OLB.

    Coyle deserves to be slapped for opting for Vernon & Trusnik on the field instead of Starks & Jordan.
     
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  40. RoninFin4

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    It's essentially the role that Adalius Thomas filled while in Baltimore. A 3-4 OLB who can play both on the open side (like Aldon Smith) and the closed side (like Justin Houston) and can rush, drop/man up in coverage, and play the run, which I felt was an underrated aspect of his at Oregon. Alas, Kevin Coyle does not see the forest for the trees.

    It's why I've been banging the drum so hard for a switch back to the 3-4. You can also incorporate Olivier Vernon or Koa Misi. You can also let Vernon do what he's been doing in sub packages, and he's even decent moving in reverse. In the mean time, you can even simplify things and keep Jordan on the right side and Wake on the left, as they're respectively accustomed to, at least at the moment.

    It's such a misuse of resources.
     

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