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WTF is all this talk about Jason taylor as the Fins new GM?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by PlanB, Nov 13, 2013.

  1. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Ozzie Newsome also leaps out at one doesn't he.

    Thought the Pat Lafontaine hire today was or could be eerily similar to this. It isn't just winning or not winning in this case , there has been a tonne of poor decisions , and black eyes as you said for this franchise lately.
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    JT is class personified..so level headed...worries the heck out of me thinking about evaluation and aquiring talent, but I guess he wouldn't be THAT guy..not the guy who needs to watch film 12 -16 hours a day to make great overall projections...there's so much work to get it right, to have a vision of how you wanna build a team long terms..

    Idk man, it's highly unlikely a guy can be excellent at two different pro crafts.
     
  3. PlanB

    PlanB New Member

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    Very True........But in baseball they have AA and AAA clubs to train and learn in. You don't pop out on a orange carpet out of Rosses Limo from 2 yrs retirement with only dancing with the stars on your resume .
     
  4. PlanB

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    And I love it when people open their mouths and make statements they can't back: Elway was co owner of an AFL team and was on the executive committee of the AFL. Elway is currently co-owner of the Arena Football team Colorado Crush, a position he has held since 2002. In February 2007, Elway was elected chairman of the Arena Football League's executive committee. He owns 2 steakhouse restaurants and 5 successful car dealerships. he knows a thing or two about business and business models. He has learned what it takes to make a business successful Since leaving the NFL 14 yrs ago. Jason Taylor is not even out 2 yrs. What has he done? Go ahead Mr , back it up with facts.........What has JT done to be worthy of the Top Team position besides nothing?
     
  5. PlanB

    PlanB New Member

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    Jimmy Johnson may have been one of the best talent evaluators in the past 2 decades besides maybe Bill Belichick. He put a Dynasty together in Dallas and was on his way to building another her in Miami when personal reasons made him quit. Ross should offer him the GM Job or at least get him on board during the draft to teach and instruct whoever does get it.
     
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  6. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    http://www.jasontaylorfoundation.com/

    In 2004 Taylor and his wife Katina founded the Jason Taylor Foundation with the goal of improving the lives of children in South Florida. The Foundation has accomplished much in a short time, including launching the Jason Taylor Reading Room, an after-school program aimed at increasing literacy among inner city children; renaming the Holtz Children's Hospital's learning center as "The Jason Taylor Children's Learning Center;" providing eleven sixth grade students with college scholarships through the Take Stock in Children organization; creating the "Big Screens-Big Dreams" program to screen inspirational films for hundreds of student-athletes; and furnishing 60 children with $300 back-to-school shopping certificates as part of the "Cool Gear for the School Year" program.

    Jason has also partnered with the Invicta Watch Group and its CEO; Eyal Lalo on a number of charitable ventures and was given the opportunity to create a collection of limited edition of watches, "As a watch enthusiast and collector, I am excited to be partnering with Invicta on the development and launch of my collection of watches".[19]

    Taylor has been widely recognized for his charitable work. In addition to winning the 2007 Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year Award, he has been named twice as one of The Sporting News "Good Guys" and was honored by CBS Sports' James Brown with a JB Award, given annually to NFL players who have demonstrated a commitment to building better communities and stronger families.

    And again , he has to be astute enough to surround himself with highly skilled , effective people and let them do what they do well. He needs to have the vision and hold people responsible , and to ensure everything meshes , which obvioulsy hasn't been the case for far too long.

    An appointment such as this is not without successful precedents as has been pointed out.
     
  7. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    A lot of JJ success re the draft was simply acquiring many choices. The more picks you have the more likely it is you get several productive players . I don't disagree with that model , but he didn't bank on getting more from the draft by just using the regular picks he would have had.
     
  8. PlanB

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    Read my first post please. I said he's a great guy with great character. Fantastic PR person , but how does that translate into building a winning ball club? What experience does he have? At least Elway worked in the AFL for 10 yrs before joining the Broncos at that level.
     
  9. PlanB

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    Look at all the Picks Ireland had last draft. More money then almost any Team as well . JJ built us the best defense this team ever had. Bring him back at least as a consultant.
     
  10. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Ozzy newsome says hi also.
     
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  11. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    I'll take JT if Zach does his scouting lol.

    Those 2 wouldn't put up with mediocrity.
     
  12. Phinfanjt

    Phinfanjt New Member

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    Really? Remind us all again of Matheny and Ventura's coaching experience prior to getting the Cardinals and White Sox managerial jobs?
     
  13. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    If Miami hired a head coach who could do draft day stuff and coach I'd love JT in some kind of Front Office role. It would be such a breath of fresh air from the dick head who has been smelling up that office for 6 years now.
     
  14. Fin D

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    The job everyone is saying JT would be good for, is basically a football knowledgeable liaison between the coach & GM and Ross. Ross needs someone who knows football to be able to help him decipher whether a move is potentially good or bad in a given situation.

    Say a GM has a plan for how he wants to tackle the offseason but the coach wants something different to happen, JT could help Ross figure out which course is better or if parts of each can be done, etc.

    He would also be the person that speaks on camera and gives interviews, becoming the "face" of the franchise.

    I've had my issues with JT in the past, but I think this is a job he was born to do.
     
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  15. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Do you actually think the GM watches that much film in a day?
     
  16. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Exactly, in another thread people were discussing how Ross is an absentee owner since he doesn't even live in Miami. JT could be his presence is the building. But what about Nat Moore? He was real cozy with Ross the other night, is well respected and has been involved with the front office for some time. Or John Offerdahl. He was a film room junkie and has built several successful businesses.
     
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  17. KB21

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    Again, what does owning an Arena League team and being on an executive committee of that league have to do with running an organization? Isiah Thomas owned the CBA at one time, and he is a horrific GM/Personnel Executive in the NBA.

    The fact that Jason Taylor is closer to his playing days than John Elway was when he got that job makes Jason Taylor MORE qualified, IMO.

    John Elway's stint as an owner prepared him so well that he said when he got the job that he didn't want to be GM and didn't want to be head coach because he wasn't qualified to do either of those jobs. He essentially spent two years learning the personnel side of things before actually becoming the guy that makes the final decisions, and even now, he has Tom Heckert Jr. in his front office.
     
  18. Fin D

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    I think JT over the other two because of the PR factor. JT is simply a bigger name than Moore or Offerdahl. He has also shined on TV in Dancing with the Stars and various on-air gigs. He's handsome and multi racial, with no black marks on his record at all. Its kind of a no brainer to me, actually.
     
  19. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    A GM that players in the league would actually respect? Yea, sounds like a bad idea...
     
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  20. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    *cough* Jon Gruden *cough*
     
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  21. Stringer Bell

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    Should be better qualified people out there

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  22. Stringer Bell

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    Newsome worked in a front office for like 10 yrs before becoming a GM

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  23. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    The Face of the Miami Dolphins Franchise!
     
  24. Stringer Bell

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    Dont think she wants the role of GM. Most likely she would be the one telling the GM how much he can spend.

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  25. Fin D

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    Not that puts a check in every column, I don't think.

    While there's certainly people more knowledgeable about football, is there anyone else that would also have:

    - Multi racial.
    A plus because of the racist stuff.

    - Make the fans swoon.
    Not many former Dolphins illicit love form the fans like JT other than Marino or Zach, and neither are qualified.

    - Well spoken in front of the camera with charisma for days.

    - An intimate knowledge of leading a locker room.

    - High level of play

    - Smart

    (ftr, I'm not talking GM)
     
  26. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    ...and what credibility do we gain by promoting her and putting her over the football operations?
     
  27. Stringer Bell

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    I would certainly hope that charisma and "making fans swoon" is not a consideration for the next GM. You basically are describing a cheerleader.

    The locker room leader stuff really doesn't fall on the GM either. He rarely is going to be near the locker room. That falls on the coaches and players.

    Not even going to comment on the multi racial thing.

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  28. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    I think it is questionable that there are more people knowledgeable about football. The idea that a Hall of Fame player isn't knowledgeable about the game is foolish, IMO. Plus, I think this idea that you have to come from a scouting background or a law/business background to run a franchise is something we need to shake away from. Saying that is as bad as saying that you can't use advanced analytics in scouting.
     
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  29. Fin D

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    I tired to clarify, I wasn't talking about GM, but i guess it was too late.
     
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  30. Stringer Bell

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    OK that makes more sense

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  31. Fin D

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    Its not foolish at all. Marino knows way less about the game then Penny does. The rest I agree with.
     
  32. Fin D

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    Yeah, I was talking about the Football President/Face of the Franchise/Ross' Confidant/Pseudo Owner-sih role thing.
     
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  33. Pariah

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    This is exactly what came to my mind. Gruden wants more control, and hands in personnel decisions, and have J.T. as a guy who works with Gruden in a Front Office role.
     
  34. CaribPhin

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    Can we combine Taylor, Thomas, and Marino like Voltron and hire that?

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  35. Fin D

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    Marino Taylor-Thomas sounds like a teen heartthrob.
     
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  36. Nappy Roots

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    Gruden has already shown how awful he is with personnel. Gruden was a great coach. Terrible personnel guy. It was his down fall.
     
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  37. Stringer Bell

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    In order to run a franchise, you have to have a lot more than just a great knowledge of football. If you want to do something like build an analytics department, you need to be able to evaluate that type of thing.
     
  38. Pariah

    Pariah Revolutionary

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    Allowing him a voice in personnel, but not total control would be the key - But I believe he wants control of personnel, which wouldn't be good.
     
  39. emocomputerjock

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    I thought I was the only person that remembered that. If he's paired with a strong GM, it might work out. Otherwise, no way.
     
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  40. Paul 13

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    I'd be down with JT as a President / face of the franchise type guy. I've seen him on TV, and I think that was something he wanted to do when he retired, but he's really not THAT good at it (if I'm being honest). This is something that is much more up his alley. He went to a small school, drafted in the 3rd round, and may end up in the hall of fame. Certainly had a stellar career. That is not something you say no to if you're the Miami Dolphins owner. Lets not even talk about what he does for public relations, exactly at the time when we need it. So yeah, I think it's either him or Dan Marino in that role. If you want to stay with Philbin as HC, you can promote Gaine to GM then. If you're not staying with Philbin, then that's where it gets stickier.
     
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