1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Dungy helps us

Discussion in 'Science & Technology' started by dolfan40, Nov 12, 2013.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,648
    67,540
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Please explain Rev, don't just walk away, this conversation is absolutely necessary for the better meant of the world, you know why, because I'm sure there are folks that are gay right now reading this who get picked on, who get looked at in a disgusting fashion, young teenagers who are completely confused as to why their attracted to their same sex and their friends aren't..

    What are you going to tell me about this topic besides you think the jury is out ( which tells me all I need to know quite frankly) or that it's not the preferred choice by god.?
     
    Mainge likes this.
  2. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    The thing of it is DJ, any person's sexual orientation should 100% be a non issue. It should have no more relevance in what we think of them than their hair color, skin color, or which hand they write or throw a ball with. One of the main reasons it is an issue is because of the zealotry of right wing bible thumping ideologues. This is one of the many reasons I respect the Buddhists much more than the Abrahamic religions. Buddhists in general couldn't care less what someone's sexual orientation is. At least the Theravada Buddhists I have known over the years.
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,648
    67,540
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Seems like hardcore racism to me..

    The Inability to conceptualize that it is something that happens at birth, just like being born black, or white, or disabled, is what is wrong with this freakin world, it's so dumb, just really dumb to not see what's right in front of your eyes..how can this not be a national topic discussed over and over, how is this mentality still surviving in this world???how come we don't prove to the ignorant that it's not a choice, all you have to do is find some young volunteers, teenagers who have an inordinate amount of the other genders hormones in their body, and say to the world, "LOOK AT ME!!! DOES IT LOOK LIKE I HAVE A FU&& IN choice!!!!!
     
    Mainge likes this.
  4. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

    1,242
    340
    83
    Mar 21, 2013
    If you genuinely wanted to know truth with all your heart, you would seek God for the answers.

    As it is, it appears that you have already decided what the truth is according to your own accumulated knowledge and experience. You are just trying to ram your opinions down other people throats........opinions on how people get their rocks off.........on a football fan forum??????????? WTH?

    Your responses to his previous posts show that you aren't really paying any attention to what he is writing anyway. It's closed minded prejudice at it's finest, and then you have the gall to post and ask for more feedback, when it is clear you wouldn't listen anyway.

    You have closed your heart and mind and now you insist that we all see things your way, because you are the way, the truth and the light.
     
  5. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

    72,252
    43,684
    113
    Nov 27, 2007
    How do you know DJ didn't seek God for the answers and God told him to mind his own business when it comes to sex between law abiding consenting adults. Do you presume to know what God's mind is on this topic? Seems a bit arrogant on your part that you presume you speak for God.
     
  6. Ducken

    Ducken Luxury Box Luxury Box

    10,018
    5,152
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    Lower Delaware
    I applude you Rev. Well written and well said, as I too have "blinded" faith in what the bible teaches, and fully believe it is the one true word. I don't believe any amount of words will change the hearts of many on here, but My prayer today is that one day their hearts will see the truth. (These are my beliefs, and in no way shape or form are an attck on others beliefs)

    Now back on the topic that this tread was intended for. IMHO this is a solid soild group of men that blend old scholl with new school and I have no doubts that some very soild well thought out plans will be taken to Ross for his consideration to implament. I have no doubt that there is some PR going on with this but I don't believe it is a token group put to gether just for PR. I commend Ross and his quick action to get this ship righted and to have the wisdom to understand he needs this very type of assistance.
     
  7. Triggercut

    Triggercut Well-Known Member

    717
    388
    63
    Aug 12, 2011
    There are some assumptions in this post that I would like, as a Christian, to clarify. Christians follow what God has said in the Bible as their guide in how they approach areas of morality and principles for living. You are assuming that someone just asks some question to the sky and waits for an answer, which shows an ignorance of immense proportions. If you care to have a dialogue you should at the very least represent the opposing view accurately. I would appreciate having that type of discussion, but as has been the norm for this thread, it quickly devolves to drive-by attacks on Christians, their faith, and invalid misunderstandings of the practice.

    If you care to, you can read Romans ch. 1 and take the plain reading of the words written. If you wan't to have a fair discussion of an issue of Christianity I would be glad to provide the Christian viewpoint the best I can, but I'm not going to chase red-herrings down imaginary rabbit holes.
     
  8. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

    7,723
    5,683
    113
    Nov 30, 2007
    Actually, no. They follow some of the principles that God has supposedly laid out in the Bible. I don't see a lot of people stoning their rebellious sons to death, for instance. I also don't see a lot of people arguing that slavery was a God-approved condition. In fact, literally every Christian I know purposely ignores a good margin of scriptural principles on the basis that they are quite outdated and completely out of touch with modern reality. Thus, your argument becomes arbitrary. You either follow God's word to the letter (good luck convincing a judge that your son had the stoning coming) or you make a choice. If you do the latter, then you can't hide behind God's word anymore, because it's your personal decision to believe in one thing but not the other. God has nothing to do with it.
     
  9. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

    7,723
    5,683
    113
    Nov 30, 2007
    Just as an aside: While buddhism has a pretty laissez faire mentality about sexual orientation, it also has some rather flabberghasting ideas about disabilites - or the Holocaust, for that matter. The current Western notion that buddhism was some kind of haven for tolerance (not saying you're buying into that necessarily, just speaking in general) is at least partially based on ignorance about quite a lot of Buddhist doctrines.
     
  10. Triggercut

    Triggercut Well-Known Member

    717
    388
    63
    Aug 12, 2011
    There are some very good books which help explain the Old Testament writings to the Israelite (http://tinyurl.com/czmjgow). We have to be careful not to be anachronistic in our judgments of other cultures. There are some basic principles to follow: 1. Who was a particular law written to 2. Does the law seem transcendent in nature 3. What does the New Testament say about them when addressing the New Testament church and Gentiles.
     
  11. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

    7,723
    5,683
    113
    Nov 30, 2007
    I agree. But that's preciseley why we have to apply the very same standard to the New Testament as well because, just like the old one, it certainly wasn't written in a vacuum. If there's passages in the Old Testament that Christians - for very good reasons - ascribe to the cultural conditions of the time and thus are happy to ignore, then logic dictates that the same applies for the New Testament as well. I'm aware of the theological arguments that attempt to explain certain problems away and reach a consensus on other apparently conflicting issues, but my original point remains: Christian doctrine - like most doctrines that are based on a single work of gospel - is essentially a self-serving business. I don't necessarily have a problem with that, but the argument "it's in the book, mate, so there's nothing we can do" still remains arbitrary. Christians could do away with that principle if they wanted (in fact, European protestantism already has) just like they did away with others. The fact that they don't want to, to me, is the real head-scratcher.
     
    MrClean likes this.
  12. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    31,608
    55,630
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    An acknowledgement of privilege and its history is quite a bit different from a justification, and you're very far from that here. Not only that, but the reality of a lot of what you're suggesting couldn't be further from the truth. Faith isn't a moderating force that sits above the fray in politics and civil discourse, not today, not history. It's right there in the mud with anything else.

    For someone purportedly not called upon to govern, you're sure justifying a lot of governing.

    And I'm saying you and yours have become obsessed with specific matters that in the grand scheme of things don't fit even a cursory reading of your sacred documents. You've written loads and loads in justification over the abuse of minority groups in the country, when the reality it isn't close to a central tenet of your faith. Meanwhile for all your self congratulations and justification, nary a word about the poor, when if anything besides a religious text what you're waving around is an admonition to help those people.
     
  13. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    31,608
    55,630
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    Meanwhile, Armando Salguero writes a bit article about how the Dolphins should hire Tony Dungy as head coach:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/11/17/3758113/armando-salguero-stephen-ross.html

    Not only is it an objectionable idea based on Dungy, it's a real stupid idea. Why are we giving a guy whom has never had GM power full reign to run a team like that? How is going from a wry, milquetoast non-entity to a sanctimonious, milquetoast non-entity going to change the locker room or the tone of the team?
     
  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,648
    67,540
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Lol..sorry, that's all BS, and yes we are having this discussion on a football board, cause wherever we do it it's Important to call out the ignorant folks out there that still think it's a choice, if you've never seen a 10 year old boy who was built a girl, sounded like a girl, acted like a girl, and played like a girl, then god must be blinding you so you can keep following what the bible says..

    I've had discussions with highly troubled youths, teenagers, who have so many physical features of their opposite sex you can see the confusion in their eyes, and how ironic, their asking me about being gay, and their attraction to the same sex, and how when they look at the other gender that the bible wants,they feel disgusted, like their gonna throw up, kinda like me when I think of another man in that way..

    No one has to listen to me, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna let folks continue to brainwash people into believe ing their sinning because their gay...that kind of sadistic point of view is murdering people.

    So keep saying it's a choice and I'll keep coming.
     
    Mainge likes this.
  15. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

    7,723
    5,683
    113
    Nov 30, 2007
    In which case he's probably not gay but transsexual. Pretty big difference to those people ;)
     
  16. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,648
    67,540
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    It's more proof for anyone who isn't completely bamboozled, needs.
     
  17. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I will ask my cousin about the Buddhist ideas on disabilities and the holocaust. He knows far more about their teachings than I do.
    Here is another example of a way they are different than the Abrahamic religions:
    “If scientific analysis were conclusively to demonstrate certain claims in Buddhism to be false, then we must accept the findings of science and abandon those claims.”
    ― Dalai Lama XIV, The Universe in a Single Atom: The Convergence of Science and Spirituality
     
    Den54 likes this.
  18. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Christians while choosing to ignore certain passages in the old testament, are often all too willing to quote other passages as things that must be followed. The most popular quote used when speaking against gay people is from Leviticus. Well, if you're going to say that this one law of Leviticus must be lived by, then either live by all the laws of Leviticus or you are nothing but a no good gawd damn hypocrite.
    There is also a passage in Leviticus that says no tattoos. One of the most hilarious pics I've seen floating around the internet is some dipwad who has the entire anti-gay verse Leviticus 18:22 tattooed on his arm, which is in complete violation of Leviticus 19:28. Then also we can see countless examples of 19:28 being violated with folks getting tattoos of Jesus' image, and/or the cross.
    As an aside, I've been surprisingly impressed with many of things this new Pope has been saying though. If more Christians were as smart as he is, maybe there'd be some hope for this planet and the people on it.
    More of the hypocrisy of Christians is shown here:
    http://www.11points.com/Books/11_Things_The_Bible_Bans,_But_You_Do_Anyway
     
  19. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

    4,022
    1,879
    113
    Sep 6, 2010
    New Milford, CT
    Woe to you, oh earth and sea
    For the Devil sends the beast with wrath
    Because he knows the time is short
    Let him who hath understanding
    Reckon the number of the beast
    For it is a human number
    Its number is six hundred and sixty six.

    ****ing A!
     
  20. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

    72,252
    43,684
    113
    Nov 27, 2007
    God has said many things in the Bible that Christians do not adhere to. This one thing was chosen to be an issue by modern Christians. If it was bad enough to fight against, it would have been a Commandment. It was not.

    There's nothing in the Bible that declares Christians should stop gay marriage, own the word marriage or have any right to judge others who are gay. If we were going by the Bible's definition of marriage then it would look drastically different then what many consider "traditional" marriage.

    As a Christian, if you find homosexuality to be sin, then don't commit homosexual acts. Christians only job as Christians is to bear witness and lead a life as an example to others. It is not a Christians job to remove sin from the world. Their job is to stay on as righteous a path as you can, in spite of sin.

    Think about it, what is a stronger testament to your faith:

    - removing all sin from the world so you're never tempted and can stay virtuous

    OR

    - in the face of sin and temptation, you use your faith to stay virtuous
     
    Disgustipate and MrClean like this.
  21. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    You understand Christianity better than most Christians. :yes::up:
     
    Fin D likes this.
  22. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

    1,242
    340
    83
    Mar 21, 2013
    Gay is not a state of being, it is a behavior. It is simply a sex act that you chose to do.

    That is why so many so called gay people are gay one year, and the next are in a heterosexual marriage. I have close personal friends who are in this category.

    Many people from different world views choose to not be sexually active at all. Celibacy never hurt anyone, in fact some swear by it.

    My career has afforded me the opportunity to speak candidly in one on one conversations with hundreds if not thousands of gay people. The men are surprisingly more talkative about the matter than women.

    The vast majority of these people have no problem whatsoever declaring their sex lives to be sinful.

    Most of us normal people realize that we are by nature sinners, and we don't judge each other.

    It's people who think they are more righteous than God who are truly dangerous.

    I think if you had a position of absolute power without accountability, you would imprison,severely persecute, or even kill bible following christians; and believe the whole time that you were doing the world a favor, just as the Nazi's were fully convinced that they were righteous in murdering their victims, including 1.8 million jewish children.

    As a christian, I would never hurt a gay person. I have friends and relatives who are gay. I have spoken thousands of kind and loving words to gay people I have encountered.

    I have no doubt that you would," keep coming back." I know the spirit that drives you. I once shared the same demons. I too spent lots of time and energy attacking christians for their views, hurting many in my younger days. When I realized who the real enemy was, I ran to God. He is our only hope.
     
  23. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

    32,070
    22,827
    113
    Nov 26, 2007
    Concord, MA
    wow. for someone who proclaims to be so knowledgeable about friends and relatives who are gay, your first statement shows your ignorance and bias (polite as it may be).
     
    MrClean and Fin D like this.
  24. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Wrong. Homosexuality is a state of being. Homosexuals cannot help who they are sexually attracted to anymore than anyone else can. They are born that way. Heterosexuals are also born that way. Did you choose to be heterosexual?
     
    Ohio Fanatic likes this.
  25. Ohiophinphan

    Ohiophinphan Chaplain Staff Member Luxury Box

    Excuse me but how is this a discussion of science and/or technology. I am confused???????
     
  26. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

    32,070
    22,827
    113
    Nov 26, 2007
    Concord, MA
    It is someone ignorantly using their faith to criticize homosexuality. hate that ****. Live-and-let-live.
     
  27. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

    7,191
    3,940
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    Thomasville, GA
    Ohio.. There are some who use their faith fanatically for a number of 'causes' as they see it. Some are so militant that they scare me - and anyone who seriously engages issues such as this. They scare me in the same proportion that fanatics in the support of the stance frighten me when the argument simply resolves to people screaming, or writing, pejorative and deprecatory barbs at each other.

    My own personal involvement with that which has been under discussion is of such a nature that I decline dredging up the residue of that time of my life in order to 'make a point' with those whose minds will decline to accept any information which calls into question their stance. Until we can relearn the art of thoughtful discussion in this society, we are doomed to the ideology of the loudest voice repeating the proposed new truth often enough that it becomes a mantra - whether it is the truth or not the truth.

    That is also why, after some days of prayer and consideration, I am bowing out of this thread. I have tried to be thoughtful with reasoned statements, and the results have been rather discouraging.
     

Share This Page