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NFL.com "Mike Pouncey viewed 'Fins game with Richie Incognito"

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Bpk, Nov 20, 2013.

  1. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Well at least he wasn't visiting Hernandez in jail, or worse paying him a conjugal visit :/
     
  2. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    We are 2-1 since the so called controversy broke.

    I hope the players continue to not give a fu$;.
     
  3. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    I stated why. He's on a team filled with people who already publicly backed cogs. He is on a team with people effected by this. In a league with plenty of national scandals , where players will back their own. Really the only unique thing is if you tie in the summons. Which I am not.
     
  4. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    No way!

    Just because Martin couldn't handle the pressure doesn't mean friends shouldn't be friends. I'm sure Martin would have been welcome there too if he was in town.
     
  5. Pariah

    Pariah Revolutionary

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    Well we just see it differently. I believe this is a very unique scandal, and Pouncey's situation within that scandal is unique.
     
  6. Pariah

    Pariah Revolutionary

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    Actually 1-1 since the scandal broke.
     
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  7. DOLPHAN1

    DOLPHAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

    media: so you took the day off? you don't care about football any more?

    the point is the media can and will spin anything. just imagine if he said nothing and some how the media found out Cogs was with him...think of the potential ****-storm there. it's no win any way you look at it. Philbin told them to tell the truth and defend themselves. I have no problem with this.
     
  8. DOLPHAN1

    DOLPHAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

    OH MY GAWD!!! what a horrible interview!! he sunk the team with all that he gave up!!! OMG!!! what an idiot!!!

    move along folks...nothing to see here...
     
  9. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I wonder if Richie called Mike a n***** during the game?
     
  10. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Or wore a shirt or hat saying Free Hernandez?
     
  11. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    We are 2-1 with Cogs and Martin out of the lineup.

    Cogs was out moat of the Cinci game..and Martin had already left the team.

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  12. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Wonder if theres left overs...love me some Popeyds

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  13. Pariah

    Pariah Revolutionary

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    Thanks for the info (which I already knew), but that is not what was posted.

    This is false. The Bullying scandal broke after the Cinci game.
     
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  14. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I think Pouncey has shown poor judgement in this situation. The Dolphins are in the middle of a PR nightmare and there's just no reason to share this with the media in light of the situation. As talented as he is on the field, I think he's shown poor character off the field with the Hernandez hat situation. It really makes me question his character and whether he's part of the problem or the solution.

    My concern is after the investigation that he's going to be implicated right there with Cogs. It never fails, you have to very careful who you associate with. A lot of times who you associate with is an indication of who you are as a person.
     
  15. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    Why should the players give a **** when the team is not even going for "team first". We have 5 stupid pages about 2 buddies watching a game together. We are worse than ESPN.
     
  16. Pariah

    Pariah Revolutionary

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    Are they Bosom Buddies?
     
  17. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Huh?

    Defending Cogs, is not team first..that's Cogs first.

    You have to understand what kind of trouble the team could be in from the NFL. We could lose draft picks, receive fines, all kinds of stuff (I'm not saying it would justified, in fact based on the info released its not). The team HAD to take immediate action...for the team's sake. The team has a responsibility to many other players, coaches and staff to cut themselves off from this scandal.
     
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  18. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Looks more and more like Martin was and still is the problem. Team has no problem sticking together it's the outcast that a few people don't want to see past.
     
  19. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    On a hate mission? You've seem to become extremely one sided on a subject that hasn't been given final answers.
     
  20. Pariah

    Pariah Revolutionary

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    Lol, relax bro - I actually agree with a bunch of what people are posting EXCEPT that Pouncey should have shared the info. Other than that, I haven't had a "hate mission," at all.

    And that "Bosom Buddies" post was sarcasm btw.

    Edit: Quote any of my posts where I share an opinon about the situation other than the opinion on Pouncey's decision to share that info.
     
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  21. Pariah

    Pariah Revolutionary

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    Man, some people on here are so fast to accuse someone of extreme thinking for having an opinon. I mean, I know there are a lot of extremests on here - but not everyone is. Not every opinion needs to be polorizing dudes. For example, I can think Pouncey should have not said that, yet think Martin is a gutless bit** and turncoat (which I do).


    So I guess that makes me Bipolar? :omg:
     
  22. Fin D

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    Oh Grasshoper, the stories I could tell you.....
     
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  23. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    The Dolphins played dirty pool when they tried to delay Incognito's hearing. They should get what they deserve for the way they handled this mess. The two players are not being treated equally. Guilty until proven innocent? I'm sure all the players duly note how the Dolphins do business.
     
  24. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I see, so you're just yelling stuff to yell stuff. Forget the fact, you said the team wasn't being team first, now they are letting down Cogs!!!! Sounds like they had his back at the golf course. But forget that, right?

    They should totally just let him play even if it brings them stiffer punishments from the league, because......they should be Cogs first now and not team first.
     
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  25. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    I think given this and the ahern thing, pouncey might be fiercely loyal.
     
  26. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    the patsies cut ahern before there was an investigation as I recall. I don't think this is special to the phins.
     
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  27. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    Fine. Then they should have cut him. One guy is getting paid and the other is a hostage. They both have some fault in the situation.
     
  28. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    We will see when and if he has to testify on the gun running stuff.....The court of law has a unique way of making the loyalist of loyal folks not very much so.......

    As for the Cogs statement I liken it akin to trash talk, whats the point? Great you watched it with Cog, cool beans, who cares given the media storm surrounding it just err on the side of caution....

    People on this board regardless of our views, I think we all can agree that it is blown out of proportion. We are sports junkie geeks on a fan forum, think about those that aren't ESPECIALLY that don't live in Miami whom just read bits and pieces...many times the wrong viewpoint is cultivated. As FinD alluded too as well, this stuff snowballs and weighs on Goodells mind when banhammer time comes I am sure....

    Damn even drug dealers know not to bring more heat when the heat around...
     
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  29. unluckyluciano

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    oh he'll roll over on him, no doubt. I don't think he's stupid.
     
  30. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    This is pure speculation. If the league punishes the Dolphins for this they'd have to punish every team. I don't think they'll do that. They may say changes need to be made - just to save some face with the media. But, there really is no evidence so far (only speculation from both sides) of genuine abuse. Incognito may be fined and will likely be released - again to save face by the Dolphins and because Ross wants to be considered a good liberal owner - he's doing all he can to coddle Martin. And, I think a big part of that, and a big part of the reason the Dolphins will let Incognito go, is because they are afraid of a lawsuit. The league is as well.

    But, from the comments of other players (including vets from other teams like Clabo - who were exposed to other team atmospheres) the league's investigations - once they become public - will more than likely reveal that most all of the players on the Dolphins had no problem with Incognito or the coaches. And, that puts them in a bit of a quandary as to what to actually do.

    Martin may have opened the door to some boorish behavior that needs to change but the reality is, when all is said and done, I think this will be much-ado-about PC and Martin has ruined his career and ultimately is helping to make the league go too far in the wrong direction; just as they are doing with QBs (like the hit from Brooks on Brees - which in every decade before this one would have meant a W for the 49ers but now is a W for the Saints). It does need to progress a bit but the reality is, if you are going to be in the NFL - especially at an OL or DL position - you are going to need to be one tough SOB no matter whether you are the #8 OL or #1, and Martin will likely never be that. He was not cut out for it. He could have been a bigger man by just quitting. Now he's becoming something entirely different. He could have put a stop to it and just told Incognito directly to "stop" that it's over the top. Then, if that didn't happen, he could have gone to the coaches or just stood up and said, "enough, dude" in a more public way. In reality, it would have brought less shame to him and less embarrassment / lack of respect for him from a league and teammate standpoint than what he is doing now. But he's made his bed. He has chosen a path which will, in my view, end his playing career and will only result in a long, drawn out lawsuit. I actually think he will try to continue to play the "victim" and probably doesn't care if he plays in the NFL again but that he will try to get as much money as he can in a lawsuit settlement and go his own way in life (I suspect that's what he really wants). He has a choice. Martin can either stand up and say, "Incognito was a friend; he went overboard and I reacted - probably should have said something to stop it, but I don't really blame him" and end the nonsense; or Martin can continue to talk about "abuse" and PTSD nonsense through his lawyer. In which case he has alienated 95% of his teammates and no other player in the league will want him on their team or trust him. Teams will call him eventually, but I suspect he'll get cut and be out of the league or if he wins a big settlement - no one will really want to work with him. And, he won't really be good enough to make it anyway.

    This has nothing to do with defending Incognito. It's more the reality that the players don't see Incognito as much different than any other NFLer who is a bit over the top crazy. You just about have to be that to put your body and mind through the crap that these players do.

    As to Pouncey - he was simply defending a friend (Incognito). Whether it was wise from a public relations stand point is another matter. But, I think he felt a loyalty to Incognito and I get that and don't really care what the media make of it. They can't force him not to play because of it.
     
  31. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    So he isn't fiercely loyal......or he is stupid hahahaah
     
  32. dWreck

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    Who cares? Let him do whatever he wants.
     
  33. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm sure plenty of other teams and coaches had bounty programs who didn't get punished.

    Not every criminal gets caught, but part of the reason you punish the ones you catch is to deter others from participating in such behanvior.

    The Saints were unlucky enough to be the team that had a documentary film being made when Williams made his comments and then the director released the audio. We're unlucky enough to have both a Richie incognito and Jon Martin on our team who seem to have simply been a combustible mix that would have ended poorly in some way.

    Such is life. The roulette wheel landed on the Dolphins. And if the NFL decides punishment is warranted, punishment will come and have to be accepted, even though it sucks.
     
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  34. Stringer Bell

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    What happens when players come out from a bunch of different teams making the same accusations Martin has?

    Bounty stuff is not really analogous. There are different legal contexts, but almost anyone who has the information to make an accusation is almost always going to incriminate themselves.
     
  35. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If such accusations are credible, and the player goes through proper channels to resolve the grievance, and if punishment is warranted, punishment should be handed out.

    Most slippery slopes don't actually come to pass despite the comstant handwringing over them.

    If the Fins are punished due to the Martin thing, there may be one or two guys that come forward on other teams, but most still won't. And in the meantime, everyone will adjust their behavior which is the point of punishing the Fins in the first place.
     
  36. chadisawesome

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    anyone know who Martin is watching these games with? oh, his parents?

    I think it's awesome that they aren't letting something like this get between their friendship
     
  37. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Considering his "Free Hernandez" hat, I wager there isn't a whole lot that would make Mike Pouncey reconsider his freindship and loyalty to somebody.
     
  38. Stringer Bell

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    There will be a lot more disgruntled players that will throw out these accusations IMO. We are already starting to see them come forward.
     
  39. schmolioot

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    Who?

    Shawn Andrews, who has been retired for several years?

    And if such disgruntled players exist, then their claims need to be credible and stand up to investigation. Maybe some will maybe some won't. Maybe Martin's won't.

    We'll know when the report comes out.

    But if it's determined that the Dolphins did something wrong, or that they didn't know something they should have known then so be it.
     
  40. Stringer Bell

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    Anyone who has been cut and had a text message containing a racial slur.
     

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