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Thoughts on the upcoming game from a Panther Fan

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Catsmeow, Nov 20, 2013.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Like two different defenses when that guy is in..I think our corners match up well with newtons weakness..
     
  2. DOLPHAN1

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    wait, there is only one and he is in S FLA :D
     
  3. DOLPHAN1

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    you just had to go there didn't you... :no:
     
  4. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    DOLPHINS DON;T TURN IT OVER....THEY WIN.

    For every turnover they get to their advantage, the Panthers get +4 points.

    So we turn it over 3 times to their none..we lose by 12 pts.

    We turn it over zero...it;s a tossup...

    for every TO we get to our advantage, we are +2 pts.
     
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  5. Jakob

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    I don't know what to tell you guys about Cam Newton, normally I'd say if you pressure him the game is over because he will run all over you. Pocket passing was his weakness even though he was never a bad pocket passer. Since this season started, and especially the last three games, Newton has won games from the pocket and looked like an elite while doing it.

    And no, I'm not trying to be a douche bag because Newton doesn't have pocket passing down yet, he has just been great at it lately. I have no idea how you'd game plan for Newton this week.
     
  6. djphinfan

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    I saw some weaknesses there on Monday late in that game..he lossed his mechanics for a bit, made up for it with his legs, he got the job done I'll give'em that, but if we can contain him in the pocket and limit those runs, I'll take my chances with cam newton the pocket passer..
     
  7. Jakob

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    Yes, if he is forced to stay in the pocket all day, it might not be too good for Carolina.


    BTW, how important is Jimmy Wilson to the Dolphins secondary?
     
  8. Panthers4Life

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    Cam had a 68% completion rate, tossed three TD passes (two of which were purrfect passes) and 0 INT. I and all other Panther fans invite you to take your chances with Cam in the pocket.
     
  9. rafael

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    I think the bigger factor (outside of the usual TO ratio) is whether or not we can run the ball. Looking at the year long stats some may think that Miami doesn't run well, but that isn't exactly true. About half the time Miami runs well or even very well. The problem is that the other half of the time their run game is abysmal. 2 yards in game will certainly skew your average down. And when Miami runs well, the passing game is better. We use play action and stay on schedule where RT can use Clay and Matthews. I also don't think Carolina's pass rush is all that consistent. They tend to pick their spots, particularly when they know the opponent has to pass. So IMO that's the key, which run game for Miami shows up.
     
  10. djphinfan

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    Patterson is healthy and when healthy he's very good, jimmy gets less time on the field at nickel and dime, also plays a little safety, kind of a jack of all trades master at none, has had an improving year from the past few..he's alright, made a nice pick last week..what's your point.?
     
  11. djphinfan

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    star is out for the panthers just reported, I wonder if they made a mistake and if it was Johnson.
     
  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I accept.
     
  13. phinstar

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    Phins should be focused on scoring points, and a lot of them.

    There is really no way to game plan Cam unless you have an elite defense that can

    1. Rush
    2. Contain
    3. Have tight coverage over top
     
  14. rafael

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    IMO Cam's problem is that he's an arm thrower. He doesn't use his lower body on throws much at all. For most that means no power and inconsistent accuracy. Cam's so strong it just means inconsistent accuracy. But I admit that he's been much more consistent the last few weeks.

    As for Wilson, I'm not a fan. I see him as a weak link in the secondary. I think that if the coaches trusted either of the rookies, we might be better off.
     
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  15. Jakob

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    Yeah it's Johnson that is out.

    Also, I know the Dolphins didn't practice today but, I read that Jimmy Wilson had an abdomen injury. They also said if they had practice today Patterson would of been out, I thought he was healthy?
     
  16. Jakob

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    Cam does have a tendency to put a little too much speed on the ball but, the amount of balls that have hit the hands of our receivers and then were dropped is unbelievable. All of his overthrows are always to Steve Smith or a Running Back which sometimes leads me to believe if the foot in height difference effects his throws sometimes.
     
  17. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    He certainly has. If the defense can keep Cam Newton in check just a bit, I have no doubts he can keep Miami competitive in this one. But that line. Did well last Sunday but can they keep it up? Haven't watched too much of Carolina this year but that rush looked pretty good getting after Tammy Brady Monday night.
     
  18. djphinfan

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    I had heard someone mention that he said he gave the vibe that he was gonna go this week, if not that's great for you..were a different defense.
     
  19. djphinfan

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    That have a real athletic fast front 7..Kuechly is the best in the league (alongside Willis) Thomas Davis is playing well, their leader is out, they have young dtackles so maybe Sherman can do something to keep them thinking..
     
  20. Jakob

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    if he is out, I wouldn't put Grimes on Smith. Smith is far from the weapon he once was but, I can recall one one game a few years ago when Grimes as a Falcon where Smith got in Grimes head so bad he got called for unnecessary roughness like 2-3 times and the Falcons benched him.
     
  21. djphinfan

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    Grimes was talking about how Great of receiver Steve smith is and how much talk comes with the responsibility of covering him..maybe it's a bad matchup for him, I've said repeatedly on this board, he's my favorite receiver over the last decade..my hope is that this step that you say he has lost is real, which in turn gives the healthy explosive grimes an inch in leveling the field.

    Oh and I don't believe in your philosophy to not put grimes on smith..thats not good reasoning.
     
  22. Agent89

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    Newton IS a pocket player. He really is a runner when it is just a called run. He is capable of insane runs....but he doesn't look to run.

    You don't have to force him to play in the pocket. He will. What makes him dangerous is the plays that should be negative for a pocket passer he can pull a magic act out of.
     
  23. Jakob

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    Well, to be honest. For the past 4 years Smith has wanted to play slot receiver. We could never move him to the slot because for years he was literally the only option we had at receiver. Now that we have three other reliable targets and three other running backs we can dump the ball off to we finally moved him over to the slot. I believe I misspoke when I said he was not the threat he once was. The real reason is for his decline is probably the fact that he is adjusting to his new role as a slot receiver. His athletic ability is still 100% what it was the day we drafted him, he is just dropping more balls. For 12 years he was a deep ball threat and now he is trying to catch 3-7 yard passes, and it doesn't help that Newton is throwing the ball at laser speed to him. in 2011 as a wide receiver he was catching 62.1% of the balls thrown his way. This year he is catching 52.9% of the Balls thrown his way. He appears to be getting better as the year goes on. He is currently on pace to have about 850-900 yards receiving this year. I think it's safe to say he is still producing as a great #2 receiving option.

    If Smith was still the only option we had at WR and was playing his natural position he would probably be on pace for something like 1200 yards. He should also break 12,000 yards this week unless he has a bad game.
     
  24. djphinfan

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    he's a career 59% arm thrower from the pocket..that's below average for a pocket passer..like I said, if cam newton can't escape the pocket he's not special sorry..I only say that because you wanted him to be evaluated as such..

    For me the whole package is what it's all about, you should never be ashamed of who he really is..
     
  25. djphinfan

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    Anytime Steve smith is on pace for 900 yards and he's healthy, playing with the same Qb, and system for three years, that means you better check your evaluation, He's at his lowest yards per catch in his career, I love the guy but he's probably not breaking tackles and making big runs like he used to...he's 34, to say he's 100% from the day he was drafted would be incorrect, imo Steve smith was super explosive, he might just be explosive now.
     
  26. Jakob

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    I still think he has that explosion in him, he might not be 100% what it was 1-2 years ago but learning a new position and not having the ball thrown to him as often will limit his yards for sure. Considering this off season Smith said he had plans to play until the end of the 2016 season I'd imagine he probably ends up somewhere around 6-7th all time in receiving yards and will most likely be in the hall of fame some day.
     
  27. djphinfan

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    That's great and all but right now were talking about at what level his speed is at and if grimes and our other corners have a better chance to matchup up with him relative to years past, and I would say all variables considered, that we have a better chance of getting a not as explosive Steve smith..

    Will frank Alexander be getting the start for Johnson.?
     
  28. djphinfan

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    Man dude, you really went out of your way to rib dolphin fans...nice avatar buddy...spoiler show..

    And you got pissed because I called you out from the get...lol
     
  29. Agent89

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    Does anyone mind sharing the Phin fan view of the Mike Wallace acquisition?

    I heard he mention chemistry issues? How has he played thus far? He doesn't appear to be the go to guy....is Hartline the comfort go to go?
     
  30. djphinfan

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    check out the sports buzz thread in the forum were in..
     
  31. Agent89

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    You weren't asking me but I can answer...

    The 2013 Steve Smith is a vastly different WR than years past. He almost can be considered a possession WR in this offense. The vertical pass on MNF to him I think is the first one on the year thrown to him that wasn't a redzone back of the end zone play. He is as physical as ever so you need a DB that is willing to try to match that....bc if you play timid he will bring out the vet savy moves and get good separation. He seems to be countering what he he has lost in explosiveness with even greater physical play (and he has always been pretty physical)

    as for Johnson being out.....they like 3 guys equally. Alexander, Addison and Horton. They all seem to flip flop as the season has gone along. Rivera said the is week they all will get equal reps....so I assume whoever looks the best gets the most early. Personally, I think Addison will get the most work.

    Frank Alexander got in the dog house early in the year and I don't think he ever got out. He got ejected from the Seahawks game. Threw a punch that negated a 13 yard loss(sack).
     
  32. rtl1334

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    For the Dolphins I think, as always, it comes down to turnovers. Our run defence has been leaky the past few games but we are 2-1 and those games and we've given up no more than 22 points in those games.

    In fact, outside of the NO turnover-feat, we haven't given up more than 27 points all year. I think if we handily win the turnover battle, we win the game. If we revert back to strip sacks and ints, we won't win the game.

    Pretty straight forward from the Dolphins perspective.
     
  33. phintasmic

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    Carolina has never beat Miami. Ever.

    So we got that going for us, which is nice.
     
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  34. djphinfan

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    well, we don't have Sean smith anymore so that's good in this case..
     
  35. Agent89

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    I think in your evaluation of things you are leaving out offensive coordinators and what he was asked to do....

    2013 - he has a new OC who is asking him to play QB. Result? He is one of the best passers on 3rd down in the NFL, one of the best passers against the blitz, and has a career best completion %. Nothing below average going on...

    2011-12 - he had an OC that asked him to be a human highlight reel with an emphasis on the deep vertical pass? Result was he he was one of the top QBs in explosive plays. The OC refused to do basics and use talent around Cam and opted for a Cam offense. He wanted Cam to be our run and pass game ....and he wanted Cam to run a high risk pass attack.

    So in fairness, I think you have to note the differences in what he was asked to do.....our old OC was nuts. He basically jumped on Cam's shoulders to advance himself. Our new OC isn't a guru....but he is letting Cam be a real QB and the results are simply not below average

    if you want to evaluate the QB you are playing Sunday....what he is this year....below average doesn't add up. If you want to blur it with his old OC and what he did the prior 2 years....heck, he wasn't below average then. Hot and cold and often erratic....but his production was too good for even that talk IMO
     
  36. djphinfan

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    accuracy is self explanatory, it's the one time I do not count on the coordinator for an excuse..he's up
    To 63 this year, do your backs have a lot of receptions?
     
  37. Frumundah Finnatic

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    Patterson is a ballhawk, but he is made out of glass.
     
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  38. Agent89

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    Agree to disagree....

    offensive schemes do impact completion percentage....IMO. If a QB is asked to run a heavy deep vertical attack it impacts their completion percentage bc they are asked to make a heavy volume of lower percentage throws.

    RBs account for 19% of his completions this year....which isn't a noted increase (which I assume you were suggesting). Was 20% last year and 18% his rookie year.
     
  39. Panthers4Life

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    Don't really understand why you're so geeked to convince anyone that Cam is an average/below average/whatever QB. Think whatever you like, I couldn't care less. I wouldn't trade Cam for Tannehill, Wallace and your next three first round picks and I don't know a Panther fan that would!

    You realize Cam destroyed New England from the pocket right, completed 68% since you care about that so much. But you know what? That's as irrelevant as his career stats are because neither are indicative of what will happen this particular Sunday. I will be back to pickup this discussion after the game, when you're probably still making excuses about why Cam and the Panthers beat you.
     
  40. King Felix

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    I understand why people say this, but last time we played them was 4 years ago. The teams are vastly different every time we play.
     
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