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Dolphins vs. Panthers Official Game Thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Nov 24, 2013.

  1. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    Maybe your right forearm was abnormally strong???
     
  2. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    For anyone that has a lot of experience analyzing and tracking professional and college football throws, yes.
     
  3. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I'm left handed stoppid.
     
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  4. Rocky Raccoon

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    All that masturbating must have paid off for him. :shifty:
     
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  5. WhiteIbanez

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    Yards per carry don't mean damn thing when you can't make plays.
    Look we had a chance to run out the clock and run the football. Everyone knows that. Obviously.
    Miller wasn't going to get it done. That was obvious too.
     
  6. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    Hard to get anything done in the run game when we don't run the ball.

    13 rushes to 42 passes? In a game that they led damn near the whole time? Regardless how anyone feels about DT or LM, that's just horrible playcalling.
     
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  7. CitizenSnips

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    almost all of those came from tannehill scrambling. miller had 10 carties for 8 yards today.
     
  8. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    I meant 13 run plays compared to 42 pass plays. 46 pass plays if you count the plays Ryan scrambled....49 if you count his scrambles & sacks taken..

    That's so woefully unbalance, especially in a game we led :(
     
  9. Fin-Omenal

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    No question, but sometimes it seems you are "tracking" with bias.

    Blaming that under throw on timing is off base IMO, dude is open...you have time..throw him the football.
     
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  10. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    If coach would have put you in would you have won state? Do you think were you near a range of mountains you could throw a ball over one?
     
  11. Rocky Raccoon

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  12. Phins_Fan_87

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  13. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Agree to disagree then. On a deep ball like that where the receiver is in direct line with the QB, you err on the side of caution by throwing to a location that allows the receiver to track it down laterally if needed, which also also lets him better gauge the throw's distance. That way if you're off target it still carries a greater degree of catchability.

    Tannehill, Wallace, and the pass were all in direct line with the left hashmark, so I don't understand your argument. Tannehill's throw was nearly pinpoint accurate from 64 yards away as it landed a foot off the hashmark. You could draw a line connecting all four it was so straight. The problem is he was aiming directly at Wallace rather than slightly off the shoulder he was looking back with, so when that happened, all it took was missing Wallace by a for to the right to cause him to pirouette. With Wallace starting on the right side of the formation and working to the left, you gotta aim a little left to allow your receiver a better chance to adjust to the throw, plus a better chance to gauge its distance since it's not easy to assess a ball coming DIRECTLY AT YOU from 64 yards away.

    BTW,you're being a little sanctimonious here by arguing how terribly difficult it supposedly is for an NFL QB to put a 64 yard throw in better location but not offering the same for the receiver who has to adjust to that 64 yard throw while pirouetting mid run and trying to locate a tiny brown ball amidst a stadium of fans as a background. If either of these scenarios are harder than the other, it's the receiver trying to make that catch.
     
  14. ToddPhin

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    Spoken by a true non QB. :wink2:

    Yup, just tell me which small town you'd like covered by an avalanche.
     
  15. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I fail to see what is so difficult to understand.
    We don't run because we can't.
    We can't because the offensive line is really, really bad. No push, no athleticism, no ability to execute pull or trap plays.
    Backs can't run if the linemen don't open the holes.
    Next:
    We can't complete intermediate to long balls because the same offensive line doesn't give Tannehill time to wait for his receivers to come open.
    Tannehill is not in tune with his receivers in intermediate to long routes because he doesn't get to throw many of them.
    To boot:
    Our backs have poor vision.
    Our receivers, whether they be backs, TEs or WRs, have no ability to break tackles.
    Wallace is bad at locating and fighting for the ball.
    We have a horrible returner and a bad field goal kicker.
    And our coaching staff can't make adjustments.

    Other than that, everything's peachy.
     
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  16. ckparrothead

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    I'll point it out on the coaches tape but when Tannehill releases the football, Wallace had not broken vertically yet.

    The ball is out of Tannehill's hands at 4.90 seconds. At that point Wallace was deep (the opposing 25 yard line), had just broken to his left, and was on the right hash mark. So visualize that. Receiver is at RIGHT hash mark, 25 yard line, moving diagonal from right to left. The final placement of the football ends up on the LEFT hash mark at about the 3-yard line.

    You wanted the QB to lead him. He did. He led him from right hash mark to left hash mark, from the 25 yard line to the 3 yard line. The problem is Wallace didn't adjust to the football well and so he OVERSHOT it, then adjusted back to his right some more, realized he OVERSHOT IT AGAIN, then adjusted back to his left again.
     
  17. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    OK... not that it matters much to me, because its not my work you are discrediting here... but to claim he's tracking it with bias... is just ridiculous IMO unless you've taken the time and put forth the effort to do the same thing...
     
  18. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ahem... Did you read past the first sentence?
     
  19. rtl1334

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    Apparently not and my apologies. I'll change it to your first sentence being a ridiculous comment.

    On that point...we all talk about what the answer is at QB. Can someone please explain what this exactly means?

    How someone can say Tannehill surely is not the answer but Luck is, sorry I am just not understanding this logic.
     
  20. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I will spot you this: Tannehill is not now playing like an elite quarterback, but the jury is out until he gets an offensive line that can keep him upright and give him time for the longer routes to develop, and can also provide him with a running game so defenses don't always tee off on him.

    If he gets this and still performs like he is now, he will not be the answer.
     
  21. rtl1334

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    Oh I'm on record as saying he's an average QB and he still is. I just find that his upside is off the charts. Some of the passes he makes, especially rolling out to the left, are ridiculous. Even those long passes are 50-57 yards in the air. And I haven't even mentioned his physical and mental toughness.

    I really think we have something with this guy.
     
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  22. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm guessing that this upcoming offseason is the present administration's last hurrah. They either assemble a good offensive line, get a good kicker and kick returner, get a seam-busting tight end and get a power runner with ability to break tackes, all of which this offense needs, or they're all gone.
     
  23. rtl1334

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    Yup I think they get another off-season although Ireland may not. We'll go 7-9 or 8-8 this season but that needs to increase to 10-6 or so next season.
     
  24. djphinfan

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    8 secs to go, ball on panther 43 yard line..

    7 players on the Los...7....6 of them blitzed....4 of our guys across the field at our own 20 yard line..

    7 secs later..3 points...under no circumstances should that of happened.
     
  25. NyPhinfan

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    You just made me nauseous thanks
     
  26. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm watching this over and over and I just can't believe they played it that way..

    If anything you drop 8 in a stacked formation four intermediate, four deep..You MAKE Them throw a Hail Mary..
     
  27. Anonymous

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    I think Coyle got too aggressive. Think he wanted a TO.
     
  28. bran

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    that last drive the panthers had before the half gave them wind in their sails.
     
  29. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well unless you guranteed a turnover that will result in a pick 6 it was terrible scheming on the play..
     
  30. mroz

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    EVERYBODY has bias…. everybody
     
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  31. Fin-Omenal

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    There is a difference in discrediting his work, wich I enjoy reading by the way. And another to believe his opinion is some end all be all.

    I can appreciate his effort without getting on my knees and not forming my own opinion.
     
  32. brandon27

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    Nobody is saying his opinion is the be all, end all of this discussion, but for you to say his numbers or reporting are biased, without any proof of your own other than your opinion that its biased, isn't forming your own opinion, its discrediting the work IMO. If you have formed your own opinion based on some other analysis and can provide those numbers, facts, etc... please tune me in to the thread. I'd love to read that opinion.

    However, based on the knowledge that I have on my own, and consulting with my brother who is an OL coach, and offensive co-ordinator for a local team here, his assessment of out situation down here with the offense, and its timing is pretty on par with what CK is reporting in alot of his articles. Of course my brother isn't going out and confirming the numbers and information being presented here, but he easily confirms the principles behind it. It's a timing based game, everything must be in sync, in order to work.
     
  33. Fin-Omenal

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    Generally yes, it is a timing based offense.

    But I find it hard to believe Tanny is loading up and throwing to the right spot on deep balls, then his coach comes out and tells him to "let it rip".

    If it was a timing issue why would Philbin say that?
     
  34. PhinGeneral

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    Absolutely.

    As much as Sherman makes me scratch my head, if I had to choose between he or Coyle to jettison I'd send Coyle packing in a heartbeat. One of the few times he has this defense playing like many of us envisioned, and he decides to get cute, changing momentum for the worst. And it's certainly not the first time he's put his defenders in the wrong position. I understand that an aggressive scheme is going to get burned now and then, but there's just been too many questions about how he utilizes his players for my taste.
     
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