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Yep, still Tannehill's fault.

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  1. phintasmic

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    and troll's heads are exploding all over the interwebs....
     
  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Football isn't played 60 minutes at once. It is played in lineal time. The defense put Miami in a position to win the game. They deserve kuddos for that. However when push came to shove, they let up a over 80 yard less than 3 minute to go touchdown. That is on them.

    To answer your questions

    1. Person is giving me all of the important information. It is like asking, "First five days the dude didn't rape your sister." When he did rape her on the sixth. Again, linear time.

    2. Football is a team sport. Offense deserves part of the blame for not scoring, however defenses job is not to let up an 80 yard drive in less than 3 minutes at the end of the game.

    To your last point, that doesn't excuse the defense for letting up a touchdown drive, with less than 3 minutes on the clock. If they scored a field goal, maybe I could put more on the offense, however they didn't. They let up a touchdown. It was also a LONG touchdown. It wasn't a mistake of the offense. The offense and special teams put the defense in a position where a kind of failure was a field goal and a huge failure was a touchdown. They let up a touchdown.
     
  3. Fin-Omenal

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    Who ever blamed Tannehill for this loss??
     
  4. Alex13

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    people can complain about wallace or RT all day in that game, the bottom line is, the defense that played a very good game had a chance to put it away, to me it does not matter how many points we left on the field, how great the D played until the last drive....it was time to step up, we led the panthers 3-0 with the last drive very deep in their own territory and the defense failed to deliver, there was even that cushion that a FG does not mean the game is lost, but even worse they gave up a TD....there is also a trend starting to develop, the last few weeks i saw ryan fitzpatrick ( against the colts on TNF) and this week cam newton flopping at the sideline to get an extra 15 yard penalty for a hit out of bounds, it didn't work for fitzpatrick, but it sure did work for newton....defense delivers...we win the game, thats all
     
  5. Fin-Omenal

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    I have repeatedly said they BOTH could've done a better job. Sorry you are ignoring that.
     
  6. Stringer Bell

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    On the throw to Wallace, the ball is supposed to go to the left hash. Shouldn't be as controversial as it is.

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  7. ToddPhin

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    This isn't rocket science.
    Holding Carolina's offense to 13 points [after it averaged 27 pts/game the past 6 games] = GOOD

    Scoring 13 points on Carolina's D [that allows roughly that much] = NOT SO GOOD


    Clearly one unit exceeded the norm while the other didn't.
    So, what do you make of Miami's 7 opportunities inside Carolina territory that resulted in 0 TDs? What do you make of the 4 short field opportunities given Miami's offense that resulted in just 3 points? Does that suddenly become acceptable just b/c of Carolina's defensive stats? Does the offense get a 12th place Honorable Mention Thanks for Participating Ribbon for scoring as many points against Carolina as Tampa's 28th ranked scoring offense? Is this like a big-brother/wittle-brother type deal where Miami's O [little brother] can't be picked on b/c it's so wimpy, so Miami's D [big brother] is responsible for taking care of him and gets criticized if they can't save him during an ***-kicking?
     
  8. ckparrothead

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    It did.
     
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  9. ckparrothead

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    Offense scored 16 points against a defense that came in averaging 13.5 points per game allowed.

    Defense allowed 20 points. Should've been 23 points but for a horribly missed field goal where the kicker hit his own OL in the back.
     
  10. Fin-Omenal

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    So BOTH units let us down, I agree.
     
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  11. Sumlit

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    IMO stats are no excuse. It does not matter what happened up to that point in the game. Bottom line defense had a lead with 3 minutes left in the game, and promptly allowed Carolina to go 80 yards with a 4th and 10 completion included. That's bad. That's unacceptable and deserves criticism.

    Your're playing against a good team, with a very good defense, and you had the lead in the end and you let them take it. That merits criticism.

    The offense could have scored 40 points and lead 40-37 and this still would apply.
     
  12. ckparrothead

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    Absolutely.

    Once again the run defense turned into wet toilet paper in the third to fourth quarter. Been happening all year.
     
  13. Fin-Omenal

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    Been happening all decade actually. :pity:
     
  14. ToddPhin

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    Right, so it's a reasonable expectation for a defense to hold Carolina's 27 point scoring offense [past 6 weeks] to 7 points and 250 or less yards across 60 minutes. Agree to disagree.

    Inevitably just about every NFL defense will break if its offense gives a strong opposing offense enough opportunities. Essentially what you're saying is Miami's D needed to stop Carolina on the 4th & 10 for it to be an acceptable performance on their part. Now, incidentally, if Miami had stopped that 4th & 10 it would've represented the 9th time in 10 possessions that Miami's defense prevented Carolina from crossing their own 31. NINE OF TEN. That's unheard of. It's categorically messed up to suggest anything less than a performance of the ages is condemnable. There's clearly a middle ground that says the performance as a whole was more than good enough to win if Miami's offense could convert just one of those 7 possessions in Carolina territory or if Sturgis doesn't miss a FG and Coyle doesn't hand over a late 2nd half FG.
     
  15. Ludacris

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    that's great if mediocracy is the objective.
     
  16. JMHPhin

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    But on 4th n 10 they can't make a stop but because they were good in the 1 st half their excused
     
  17. ToddPhin

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    If Miami stopped the 4th & 10 it would've represented 9 of 10 times that the defense prevented Carolina from crossing their own 31. Do you honestly think it's fair to suggest that anything less than that is somewhat of a failure? Seriously, who in the NFL can you say with confidence is capable of such a feat?

    Giving up the 80 yard drive is unfortunate.... but at some point the offense needs to do something in the second half to minimize the truckload of pressure they shoulder the defense with. How do you think our defense would look behind the Bears 4th ranked scoring offense? Fans wouldn't be complaining about how Miami's D was incapable of holding an opponent for the umpteenth time, and you know why, it's because a satisfactory offense can score enough points to put a game away when its defense is doing a solid job.
     
  18. JMHPhin

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    Yes it was a team suck not just RT SUCK. Which is my point
     
  19. Alex13

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    you don't expect it to break with the game on the line and the other team needing 80 yards to do it.....on the road as well
     
  20. Sumlit

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    That doesn't matter man. Erase everything that happened before the 80 yard drive. The defense had the lead, and they let it go. They could not stop a game winning drive. That deserves criticism regardless of what transpired before.

    They played well, no doubt, but when it mattered, to seal the game, they let it slip away. The score is secondary. Bottom line is they let it slip away.

    The offense lack of scoring is a separate issue and deserve their own criticism.
     
  21. ToddPhin

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    Cmon, really? Offense scored 13 points. Defense got an INT to Carolina's 11 that resulted in a FG b/c Miami's offense could do nothing with it. The offense gets ZERO credit for those 3 points.

    Defense allowed 14 points. If you wanna put those 3 Coyle prevent D points on them then I guess that's your choice, but it's not really accurate. Ditto for the FG from the drive that started at Miami's 38 after Ginn's punt return. It's pretty shallow to put those points on the D.
     
  22. ToddPhin

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    I disagree. You want it to not break.... but to expect Carolina to not pass their own 31 for the 9th of 10 times is a little unreasonable IMO. It's a good Panthers offense. If you give them enough chances they're eventually gonna get something.
     
  23. ckparrothead

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    I find this to be a very goal-oriented method of slicing the data. It's useless unless you apply the methodology universally so as to give people perspective on how the numbers adjust if you start picking and choosing which data does and doesn't count in this manner. Teams turn the ball over. Teams start drives with decent field position sometimes. It happens. Your picking and choosing data in this manner has a look of meaninglessness if not accompanied by the context of how such methodology changes the league data as well as Carolina's specific averages.
     
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  24. ToddPhin

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    The defense of course deserves some criticism for the final drive. That's not the issue. The issue is about the fans who ignore everything else that transpired in the game and reduce the entire game down to its final 4 minutes to scapegoat the defense for giving up a score. That's just viewing the game in a vacuum.
     
  25. Fin-Omenal

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    I'm with ya. Who said otherwise
     
  26. Sumlit

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    There's a lot of scapegoating and finger pointing going on on these forums. This team issues do not reside on one or two individual player, person or unit. It is a collective failure, under-performing and lack of execution by all parties involved.
     
  27. ToddPhin

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    I understand what you're saying but I don't feel it matters. 14 points is still 14 points. If a defense holds Carolina to 14 points and under 300 yards you'd think that's a good day, a fighting chance to win considering their team put up 30+ in 4 of the prior 6 games. I fail to see the need to put their prior 6 games under a microscope when a 27 point average is likely the result of some decent offensive play rather than not crossing their own 31 on 8 of 10 viable tries like occurred against us.
     
  28. ToddPhin

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    I'd partially agree with this.... b/c much of why Miami's defense breaks down late in games is directly related to little brother's offensive performance or lack thereof.

    You put this same Miami unit behind Peyton Manning and they're suddenly teeing off on opposing quarterbacks who are trying to come from behind in obvious passing situations. Our offense does nothing to take opposing offenses out of their gameplan. I can't imagine how many more sacks & INTs we'd have if our offense could occasionally force opposing offenses out of their comfort zones, into being one dimensional, and into a greater sense of urgency.
     
  29. bran

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    not to mention the defense would have given up another 7 if ted ginn could actually catch.....
     
  30. Sumlit

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    There is some truth here, but the defense is not so blameless either. They have not played as well as it was expected. They are letting teams run all over them far too often; They give up too many plays on second halfs of games; And, worse of all, time and time again they give new life to teams and kill their own fitness with their penchant for allowing long 3rd and 4th down conversions.

    The offense is not helping, but the defense has their own issues and they're not minor.
     
  31. bran

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    if the dolphins had a stable and reliable running game and oline most of these issues go away IMO.
     
  32. Frumundah Finnatic

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    Half the pricks in the GT.
     
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    Translation...... You score one more TD and you win. That's the crux. In a close game. The same thing happened to the Chargers against us the week before.
     
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    Let's be honest here folks, Tannehill IS the offense, pretty much it always falls on him to win games.

    Said I like our skill guys, want that corps kept intact, think we need better answers on the offensive line and in the backfield

    Miller has moments, BUT a part of his job description is to make stuff happen when there is not much there and he has not done that this year.

    Would love to see a jump cut when the running lane is clogged
     
  35. 77FinFan

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    I like how he took responsibility for the catch. Would have liked more if he had actually caught it.
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    A 23 yd Fg and a 32 yd FG, those needed to be TD's, that is the difference between winning and losing
     
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  38. ckparrothead

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    Mike Shanahan (or perhaps Kyle) just pulled a Mike Sherman.

    Same thing. Aldrick Robinson is a fast mother ****er. Not quite Wallace fast, but he timed out at 4.35 so he's pretty legit fast. You get him on a vertical, skinny post type of route, you'd better get the ball out quick. But the play call is for the same play fake that Miami did on the 57-yard gain to Wallace. Under center, an off-center mesh point between QB and RB (simulating a zone hand-off), the QB has to turn around and do a little half-roll to set back up in the pocket, get his bearings and throw the football.

    RG3 uses every inch of his tremendous arm strength to heave the football 59 yards through the air. It ends up a big time underthrow, broken up by the defender. Why? Ball came out late. Why late? The play fake.

    Sorry but that's just not right. You need smarter coaching than that.
     
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  39. JMHPhin

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    Or you know, stop them on that 4th down.
     
  40. sports24/7

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    I can't believe there is this much argument about a play that was almost certainly meaningless to the outcome of the game. Wallace would have fallen short of the goal line, the clock would have run out. It was a close play where two guys, who both had good games, just didn't hook up. But even if they had, the Dolphins still would have lost. Why are there 14 pages of argument about which hash the ball should have been delivered on, and whose fault it is that the ball was incomplete? I think this team has driven us all to madness.
     
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