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OV now in team lead in sacks

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Nov 27, 2013.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Good for him, to me he does not do one thing at an elite level, he does most things well and has a good motor

    As a player, I'd compare him to Marco Coleman, not the greatest athlete but he made plays.

    He's no longer the Baby Squid, I think I'll elevate him to Squidward status
     
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    I liked him ever since he blocked that (FG?)
     
  3. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Last yr, yeah, can tell he is still developing though, he needs to get a bit better vs the run

    Also, he is the recipient of some gift sacks...not gonna lie...:lol:
     
  4. rtl1334

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    You look defensively...we have 3 guys that can get pressure on the QB and 4 CBs with ridiculously low QB Ratings against. We should be better against the run which, outside of some plays against TB, has more to do with LBs missing their gaps. As well, Jones is struggling with a more regimented role. Overall they're doing well but you just think that the makings are there for a dominant unit. Frustrating really.
     
  5. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    hmmmmmmmmm that will put him at number 15 in the league.
     
  6. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    TBH, really thought Dio Jordan would be the one closing in on 10, but like Vernon last yr they just don't put guys into games a lot as rookies
     
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  7. MikeHoncho

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    How about the punt block recovery and score against the Jets last year?

    He's got a thing for blocking kicks though.
     
  8. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I've been a huge fan and supporter of Vernon's since last season, and I was one of the few who thought he could develop into a good pass rusher. He's an extremely hard worker and it's awesome to see his hard work pay off. The guy just makes plays and he's still developing.

    I'm really excited about him.
     
  9. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I've been saying this about him since mid last year. He shouldn't be your primary pass rusher...you need a Cam Wake for that. But he is a fine secondary rusher who doesn't give up on plays. He still has more developing to do but there's no reason he shouldn't be a 8-9 sack guy for a while. I'd like him even more in a 3-4 because he does well as a stand up rusher. Could you imagine OV rushing off an edge opposite wake? Throw Dion in the middle and make qbs throw over his frame in zone? Jesus, I don't know how our coordinator and coach don't see this unless it's a directive from our schmuck GM.
     
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  10. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Koa Misi says "hello"

    I said this as soon as Jordan was drafted, expect Cameron Wake to be traded, Dio is not a SAM, he's that pass rushing DE every team craves..and that is Wake's spot

    So who do you keep, Wake and have Jordan doing stuff like covering Te's?

    Heh, not likely, can see it coming from here

    THAT is Jeff Ireland to a "T"
     
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  11. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Three things pads....
    1. You're right about JI. All the more reason to fire him now before he does something that dumb.
    2. Dion is a guy who can rush or cover. Stick Koa Konstrictor next to Dion flanked by Wake and OV. It would be impossible to deal with. We already have 3 ready made 3-4DL.
    3. Dion would be the TE cover guy but because of the contracts we gave Ellerbe and Wheeler we would have to keep 1. That's your other TE cover guy at LB. I'd dump the other sooner then later. Damn I hope JI is fired sooner then later before he messes this up. He doesn't even realize how well set up this team is defensively. If Rex Ryan had this at his disposal this D would be crazy.
     
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  12. MikeHoncho

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    It's sad and I hope so much that you are wrong. If this is the case, and Ireland has only been kept by Ross because of his nose for "cost-efficiency" at the cost of team culture and leadership, then there truly is no difference between this organization and the Marlins.
     
  13. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Or stick with the 4-3, and trade Wake, upgrade OL with the #1 and #3 he'd bring

    Move Jordan to Wake's slot, and save cap $$$

    Be better to fire Coyle tbh, we have a built in hybrid 4-3 and the players to man it, he is not getting it done.

    Not unusual, of one notices first yr a DefCord has lots of success, second yr offenses catch up, Coyle has not made the next move to counter that, to me it is evident.

    BUT, it is soo much easier to man a 4-3 then a 3-4, eegads keep that dammnable 3-4 defense off my Dolphins
     
  14. padre31

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    Think about this, could be a reaction to the Miami Area's tepid sports fan culture.

    Don't want to say frontrunners, will say it though
     
  15. MikeHoncho

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    How would it be a reaction to the Miami fan-culture?
     
  16. Boik14

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    Horrible. I cant agree with any of that aside from the fire coyle part even though I usually agree with you. :no:
     
  17. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    smh, Jeff wasted another top 10 pick.
     
  18. padre31

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    We need a MLB who is a HoF worthy, to me we've lacked that b/c Ireland does not value the position, fans though look back and see the ones we've had, and the ones we have now and are just like :dunno:

    Easy to find DT's hard to find Lb's who are ready to step into a complex 3-4, how many have we seen fail here?
     
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  19. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    B/c usually things like ticket sales fuel decisions, people do not show up, why spend the $$$?
     
  20. Rocky Raccoon

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    No. The more pass rushing you have the better. And Jordan, and Vernon for that matter, are versatile enough to be moved around and play different spots.
     
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  21. MikeHoncho

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    Because why win?
     
  22. WhiteIbanez

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    Making Padre's point. You can move Wake.
     
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  23. PhinsRDbest

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    I agree, it's like saying JJ Watt was a wasted pick when the Texans already had Mario Williams. To me Wake's level of play/shelf life is hard to gauge.
     
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  24. Stitches

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    Good for OV. Though I think Jordan should play more over OV, he's much better than last year where I thought Shelby outplayed him for the most part.
     
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  25. slickj101

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    I love how a thread about how good OV has been doing turns in to a b*tch about Ireland thread in under 10 posts :lol:
     
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  26. MikeHoncho

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    To be fair, every thread seems to do that.
     
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  27. WhiteIbanez

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    But you hit that time when his value is at its highest and that age starts creeping up.
     
  28. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Will you stop saying trade wake..its bothering the hell out of me...Make the dam pieces fit.
     
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  29. dolfan22

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    All this from a kid who played a year and half in the NFL before he was 23 .

    Not bad and hopefully his detractors will take notice. He will get better imo and it is up to the team to utilize him best and or properly. To me he is a football player and while he isn't perfect he makes plays around the line of scrimmage , which is what I noticed from him in college.
     
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  30. padre31

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    Different roles, Jordan w/his hand on the ground on the strongside is just not built for it
     
  31. Rocky Raccoon

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    Funny how quick people are to write off young players huh? I see it all the time. If a player doesn't tear it up his rookie year, he's a bust in their minds. Look at how many people are already calling Jordan a bust. People never learn.

    Most of the time, players need a couple years. Not to mention, Vernon was raw coming out and was drafted at 21.

    He has room to improve for sure, but I'm encouraged. I've always loved OV.
     
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  32. Alex13

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    only in your strange world he ever was the baby squid to begin with....its so painful to write this nonsense name
     
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    I stopped reading after you said trade Wake.
     
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  34. Rocky Raccoon

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    Yeah, trading Wake is dumb on multiple levels. His talent, work ethic, leadership, experience, teaching, etc.

    Can't do it.
     
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  35. dolfan22

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    For me the big thing was how truly young he was and how he did not have the best situation at UM . Different sport of course but in hockey if you are born after September 15 you enter the draft the following year. Lots of reasons to look at a very late birthday , early entry player like OV with just a bit of tolerance imo .
     
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  36. padre31

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    Which was the point, tbh, most did not give much thought to Vernon, give him a bad nickname and voila!

    One thing that does bother me about his game is his play on the field does not match up to his pre draft workout numbers, when you watch feet/first steps the way I do, Vernon's physical talent is NOT matching up to his on the field play.

    Could be just his learning curve though, right now he plays more with power than with speed
     
  37. CitizenSnips

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    Yea. If only Ireland had drafted ov, then maybe we could put a positive spin on this.
     
  38. KB21

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    That seems to be something common among UM players recently, particularly ones that came to UM when Randy Shannon was still there.

    To me though, this is one of the things that makes me really scratch my head about this coaching staff. I had someone whose opinion I really trust tell me that he really thinks Joe Philbin has a good feel for the pace of player development. I think you can see a few examples of that. Olivier Vernon is mentioned here, and he has improved a great deal, though it may not show up in PFF's overall grades. Olivier is currently in the top 25 among 4-3 defensive ends in the NFL in run stopping and pass rushing. He's become a quality player overall.

    Another player that I really think the fans refuse to see the improvements that have been made in his game is Nolan Carroll. That kid has improved as much as anyone from year one to year two of this coaching staff's tenure in Miami. Kevin Coyle had a great reputation in Cincinnati for developing his defensive backs. Jimmy Wilson is another player that has come a long way in a year's time. Jared Odrick has become a monster inside in his second year. We have been talking a lot about the coaching staff adapting, and it appears that Kevin Coyle did just that before the year started. At the end of last season, when questioned about whether Odrick should be moved inside, Coyle basically stated that he liked him as an end. The way Miami played defense last year, they were more of a hybrid front with Odrick playing more of a 3-4 end role in the defense than a true 4-3 end or a tackle. Coyle did what he essentially said he wouldn't do. He moved Odrick inside, which has paid off big time, and a lot of that is probably because they saw signs of Olivier coming on during OTAs and training camp.

    Not every move made works out so well though. Reshad Jones last year was one of the top safeties in football, and I don't think any defender on the team has fallen off as much as he has from last year to this year. You can likely pinpoint the reasoning to this though. Last year, Reshad was allowed to freelance. This year, he has been put into coverage a bit more, and I think a lot of that has to do with the lack of effectiveness our linebackers have had in coverage.

    As far as Dion Jordan goes, I still believe that some of his lack of playing time has been related to his shoulder, and I don't think this front office wanted his shoulder to be a reason. Jeff Ireland doesn't want his #3 pick to not be as effective because they drafted a guy who already had a bum shoulder.
     
  39. djphinfan

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    Lol, baby squid was funny, he wasn't a fully grown Kracken was the reference I believe, now he's graduated to squidward..lol..come on Alex, join the fun
     
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  40. Alex13

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    i would like to....but i'm still so pissed about last weeks loss...really these close games that we lose takes it toll on me....its now 4 days since sunday...but the feeling in my stomach is still the one like a girlfriend broke up with me



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