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CK's Article on Potential GM Candidates

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KB21, Nov 27, 2013.

  1. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...otential-gm-candidates-for-the-miami-dolphins

    He discusses two here. It is a very good read. CK makes a great point early in the article that it is hard for those of us who are not on the inside to really know about these possibilities when it comes to selecting a GM candidate. In fact, the guy Armando apparently spoke with for his article recently even states that it is easier to find a qualified head coach than a qualified GM.

    I have a couple of concerns with Nick Caserio. One, I do not like the New England Patriots media policies. They are not that different from what Miami currently has, and I think Miami needs to get back to being a media friendly team. Second, as it is with anyone associated with Belichick, I am always concerned about what they will do when they get away from the true mastermind of that organization. Thomas Dimitroff has made his own way in Atlanta, but Scott Pioli could not replicate Belichick's success in Kansas City. Also, every assistant coach that has come from that tree with the exception of Bill O'Brien at this point has not made a good head coach. My big question to Caserio would be does he envision trying to recreate the Patriots, or does he simply want to make his own way?

    Did you also know that Duke Tobin and Jeff Ireland are essentially best friends in the scouting circles? Duke is the personnel guy Jeff called and discussed Ryan Tannehill with. I think Duke and Jeff came up together as ball boys with the Bears when Bill Tobin was a personnel executive and Jeff's grandfather was one of their top scouts.

    Nick Caserio went to John Carroll University. That's Don Shula's school. Their football Stadium is Don Shula Stadium. There are a ton of John Carroll guys that are currently NFL execs: David Caldwell, Nick Caserio, Tom Telesco, Chris Polian....
     
  2. ckparrothead

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    I like Caserio the best.

    I'm wary of the media policies stuff but I've also seen Caserio's press conferences and he seems pretty explanatory. This is where Ross needs a team president that can set the tone.

    Everything I've read about Caserio suggests he's just an extremely unselfish guy, will do whatever is needed, doesn't care about credit, just very serious about his job.
     
  3. MAFishFan

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    As a member of the media I can see how it can be frustrating dealing with the Patriots (I've had to in the past and it's not pleasant). But honestly, if the Dolphins end up going that tight lipped, limited to nothing info and they start winning, who cares about their relationship with the media? Think the Boston media would rather have more answers as opposed to cover a winning team? Nope. And the fans up here don't care. All they want is to keep winning. And that's what I want. Winning Dolphin football. Regardless of whether the GM and coach give up a ton of info or none.
     
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  4. Anonymous

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    If Duke Tobin made **** work in Cincinnati under Mike Brown, I would love to see what he can do in Miami.
     
  5. Hellion

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    CK if Tobin was the choice what are the odds that Kevin Coyle is kept around due his background with Cincy?
     
  6. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...-undercover-architect-of-new-england-patriots

    I could probably be sold with more information, but I have to admit that I would be very apprehensive about hiring a guy to be GM who gives the appearance that he's perfectly fine with working behind the scenes and doesn't want to be in the spot light. This after hiring Jeff Ireland, who was for all intents and purposes another guy who loved what went on behind the scenes but can't stand the public aspect of being a GM.
     
  7. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    It could also be a reason why hiring a team president would still be an option though.

    Remember, ultimately the reason Ireland is a bad GM is bad roster management.
     
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  8. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    True, but the way Jeff presents himself publicly has a lot to do with his public perception.

    I think a Team President is needed regardless. The question is, do they need to hire someone that will serve as the head of the football operations, or do they hire more of an administrative guy for that role? It's very clear to me that Stephen Ross needs someone in Miami at all times that the GM and Head Coach answer to instead of himself.

    I posted in the club forum that Brian Xanders is a guy who needs to be seriously considered. I absolutely love the fact that he is developing a proprietary scouting data base that utilizes analytics in addition to traditional scouting methods. He seems to be a fan friendly guy. He played college ball at Florida State. Even though he had the title of GM in Denver, he never really had the personnel power of a GM.
     
  9. RoninFin4

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    I would just caution that Marvin Lewis actually has final say over personnel decisions in Cincinnati. Mike Brown had it before and relinquished those reigns (perhaps not in title, but in practice). I'd be wary of anyone coming out of the Cincinnati front office whether it's the football side or the business side.
     
  10. GMJohnson

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    Ireland isn't getting fired guys. Sorry.
     
  11. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    I fear this is true.
     
  12. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Me as well...
     
  13. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Why do you fear it? What's wrong with Irish and Philbin getting a year or two to finish putting the team together while Tannehill matures?
     
  14. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Because Ireland has proven he cannot put a roster together. Just wait, the next position that will be a major hole is DT if he is around. Knowing Jeff's past history, he will let go of Starks and Soliai and use that money to patch up the OL, and now he has a major hole at DT with only Odrick on the roster. That's Jeff's MO. He lacks a vision for how to put a complete roster together.

    Oh, and there's no way Jeff is retained. He will be fired, and there is a decent chance Joe Philbin will be fired as well.
     
  15. KB21

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    You know what they call GM's with Ireland's history?

    Fired.
     
  16. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    Because he hasn't shown he has any kind of real plan for building a contender. He ships away Brandon Marshall and then decides it's fine to go into training camp giving his rookie QB a group of low end WRs [Hartline aside who we all know can't carry the offense himself] and no TE who is any real difference maker. When Jake Long walked he had no real plan to fill that hole on the offensive line. Reggie Bush was open about wanting to remain in Miami and Ireland gave him the cold shoulder. The one difference maker he did have on offense last year and he practically shoved him out the door. The tackle position is clearly a huge problem this season and he waits until it's cost us several games before finally trading for a tackle who is at least competent. He spends money to swap out LBs for no apparent reason. They have not been an upgrade over what we had. The list goes on and that's not even getting into pre 2012.
     
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    I fear it because we've already seen enough of Ireland. 6 years as GM, 3 years on his own. Long enough in the present NFL. The more you defend him, the more I am convinced you can't really be a true DolFan.
     
  18. Unlucky 13

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    Obviously, we want a winner. But I also really want a coach and front office who are more fan and media friendly. Aside from one year with Clueless Cam, we've had a closed down, everyone else is the enemy team since 2005. I'm sick of it. You can be good and open or good and closed. I think that being shut down like they are gives them no advantage at all, so why not treat the fans and media with some respect and act like human beings.
     
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  19. NorFlaFin

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    I believe Irish is a deadman walking.

    But I'm also suprised how many believe the GM can cut, draft, and sign FA without any input at all from the coaching staff.
     
  20. GMJohnson

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    I think he does have a plan, I think the plan is pretty obvious, and I think Bush, Dansby and Burnett being let go is a major hint as to what that plan is.

    If you think there is no plan then I'm not sure your in a position to judge if he's doing a good job or not.
     
  21. GMJohnson

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    The media, ours especially, are just stupid. They constantly err on the side of negativity and they cater to a market that is full of transplants and non Dolphin fans. I have no issue with the team giving them the bare minimum.
     
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  22. KB21

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    You do realize that the reason the local reporters go after the team is because of their media policies. Whether you want to believe it or not, the media shapes the public perception of the team. The team has the opportunity to use the media as a mouth piece. The Dolphins have failed horribly in this aspect. They treat the media like they are trying to steal secrets from them, and they treat the fans like they know nothing about football. This all started under Nick Saban, but it was ramped up by Bill Parcells and those that followed him. Sure, they put on a dog and pony show before last season and gave lip service to transparency, but in reality, they simply did that as an attempt to take some heat off the decision to keep the worst personnel executive this team has ever had. The draft data proves that. Even Dave Wannstedt was better.
     
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  23. GMJohnson

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    Anyone who allows our media to shape their view of the team should understand how ignorant they are about what's actually going on. No wonder people think Ireland is getting fired.
     
  24. KB21

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    People think he is getting fired because he should get fired, and he's been a part of three black eyes for this organization already.
     
  25. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    U think he should be fired. Yeah I get that. But you said yourself the team thinks fans don't know what they're talking about.
     
  26. KB21

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    The team, as in Jeff Ireland and Dawn Aponte mostly.

    Stephen Ross knows that if he keeps Ireland after this mess, it's going to effect him in the pocket book because ticket sales will go down drastically. He's already taking a hit over tickets as it is, and the flash of the Mike Wallace signing has worn off.

    The fact of the matter is, this team will never be a winning organization as long as Jeff is making the personnel decisions and final roster.
     
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  27. muscle979

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    I'd love to hear what that plan is and how going into a season with a WR group of scrubs [with a rookie QB too] and then into the next with the worst set of starting tackles in football is part of that plan. And it's not as if he tried to upgrade those units either time and just failed. [Unless you count signing Chad Johnson as trying] He invested nothing in them when everybody knew they were a huge question mark.
     
  28. GMJohnson

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    I disagree. I think fans will change their tune if the team puts a winning product on the field. I think Miami fans have spent 20 years looking for a quick fix and Ross, to his credit, has said repeatedly that he is willing to take his time and that is where the disconnect lies IMO. Fans don't understand that Ross isn't on the same timetable as they are so they think he will clean house after two seasons. All I can say is prepare to be disappointed.
     
  29. KB21

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    Oh, I'm not going to be disappointed. Jeff is gone.

    The quick fix was exactly what Jeff tried this off season with all the free agent money that was spent.
     
  30. Ludacris

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    I like the idea of targeting Ron Wolf guys that came out of Green Bay like Scot McCloughan, if he can move from the west coast or Will Lewis, who's so far have been in KC for 6 months. These guys have been discussed before. I'm not sure if Philbin or Sherman have any relationships with them but they were guys Mike Holmgren took to Seattle when leaving Green Bay. One of those guys, Reggie McKenzie looks to be doing a good job in his first year as GM in Oakland.
     
  31. GMJohnson

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    They seem to be building a young nucleus that can mature together and hopefully peak as Tannehill gains experience and enters his prime in years 3-5. All of their big contracts have gone to guys who are 25-28 with a couple 1 year deals going to older guys like Starks, Keller and Grimes.

    Obviously that approach sacrifices short term success and that doesn't sit we'll with a lot of us. I get that. But that's the plan they are going with and frankly they are the first group to try it since Marino retired and given what I've seen since Marino retired this new approach is worth showing a little patience.
     
  32. GMJohnson

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    Good Lawd you are confused.

    He jettisoned a slew of established vets for a bunch of younger, mostly unproven players. That's not going for the quick fix. At all.
     
  33. Unlucky 13

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    Exactly.

    As much of a failure as Wanny was as a head coach, he and his origanization were first class when it came to dealing with the outside world, and the team was among the most well thought of in the league off the field in many ways, regardless of record. Certainly not the case today.
     
  34. NorFlaFin

    NorFlaFin Active Member

    Serious question, do you thing will get a coaching change at the position / coordinator level?

    Both Croyle and Turner seem to be unable to "coach up" their respective unit. Philbin too loyal? Thoughts?
     
  35. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    The plan is to decrease the overall talent level on the roster?
     
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  36. Patssuck

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    So he got rid of better players for unproven ones? Yes Ireland is the man. Let's just look at the 2013 draft.... Ugh
     
  37. adamprez2003

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    exactly. we basically exchanged reggie bush for lamar miller, brandon marshall for mike wallace, jake long for jonathan martin. defensively I'll give him a pass other than i've been waiting five years for a pass rusher to emerge opposite Wake
     
  38. GMJohnson

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    Anything is possible.

    Ive disagreed with some of their approaches but I haven't seen anything bad enough to where I'd want them fired.
     
  39. djphinfan

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    What is your definition of being transparent to the media...

    What is it that you would like to see different?, more interviews from the GM position about state of affairs?
     
  40. GMJohnson

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    I was gonna say get younger. Tannehill is the key and those guys will be on their last legs by the time Tannehill enters his prime.
     

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