Deciding already that Wallace was a wasted signing, is almost as bad as saying Jamar Taylor, Dallas Thomas, Will Davis, et al, were wasted draft picks.
Unless we change offensive systems, he is wasted money. He will not be productive in this system. I have no qualms about saying that. Dallas Thomas is a turd. The other two have potential.
But if you thought that he would be a wasted signing before he was even signed, then I don't think it's outrageous to feel confident that he was a waste, after seeing him so far this season. Obviously he could improve but it's not like he has proven KB wrong yet.
Maybe jogging off the field at the end of the game. It's also worth noting Ted Ginn beat the hell out of Revis (and didn't drop the ball). That was the old Ted Ginn, back before he started looking like a better offseason pickup than Wallace, mind you.
If someone with a clue did watch him this season, they would realize that it hasn't nearly been all his fault for his lack of production.
So, where is the production in this system if he's such a great fit? Don't bank on the coach feeling the way you think he feels either. This signing could very well be the main source of the current friction between the coaching staff and front office.
My God this is literally the same argument from this summer and earlier in this thread. Deja ****ing vu Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2
Just wanted to jump in here and throw in a fact of the day.... Mike Wallace is tied for most dropped passes with................. Davone Bess. Third place.... Brandon Marshall
Trying to get a bead on this argument, but it seems like people are saying that Wallace's lack of production in this offense is the fault of Tannehill and the coaches and that he is doing nothing wrong....that about it?
Depends on what site you use for drops. According to this, Brandon Marshall is #1. Wallace is 55th. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2013/
PFF.. Never had much of a problem with their hard statistics... When they get into different equations for production is when it gets sketchy sometime.
or... maybe the QB nailed your gf... wife.. bf... whatever... Wallace is a joke. His routes are limited, he freelances at will, he's undisciplined when it comes to route running. It worked with Ben, because he's that kind of player too... It's not going to work here, or in many other offenses IMO... but... whatever, lets keep trying right? Keep trying QB's to make WR's that are squared, fit into round pegs.
He's a joke considering his contract, but he's pretty much Chris Chambers part 2. A body catcher with speed.. can't be depended on and barely any playmaking ability. Someone pointed out to me about offensive gameplan yada yada being the reason why Desean is having a better year.. Right, it couldn't have been the fact that he had Vick (one of the worst passers in the NFL) throwing to him? Explain why Vincent Jackson is doing better than Mike Wallace, look at the **** he's been through in Tampa.
Wallace was at his best with Arians when they had a schoolyard passing game. His performance dropped when Haley brought in the timing-based passing game. The problems, deep included, are eerily similar to what they were last year. When you watch the deep passes to Wallace from 2012, they look exactly the same as they do in 2013. Where Wallace becomes somewhat of a liability is in his route tree. When opponents view the tape, they're seeing that he can only run three or so routes - and none overly effectively. He's still a weapon but he's just not a great fit in this offense.
Then the coaching staff should draw up some plays to cater to the strengths of Wallace. What would Don Shula do? Take his'n, beat your'n, etc. He would find a way to maximize Wallace's talent. I've seen games that have left me with wtf moments as per his lack of toughness and overall skill- dude has disappeared, and the Saints game was downright embarrassing for Wallace imo. But the guy can make plays and he is one hellova deep threat. He could easily have had 200 yd receiving and 3 TDs last week, probably would have been the game MVP, and at the risk of rehashing the same old argument some of Tannehill's passes were questionable. He blew the top off the Panthers defense multiple times, smoked Captain Munnerlain multiple times, and Munerlain is no joke. If Wallace isn't a great fit in our offense, make him fit. Design plays to accentuate what he can do, because he does that very well. He's stupid fast. He's a true deep threat. It's on the coaches to design an offensive system to use him well, I don;t think that it's too much to ask. And they damn well better make sure that Tannehill and Wallace having their timing on as per the deep passes, those are game changers. No matter how you cut it, those three deep balls that didn;t go for touchdowns were game changers, and that's on Wallace and Tannehill. We wanted a true deep threat for years, now we have one. Let's use him right.
Lemme make it more explicit- Beating out the Panthers 1 year, $1.1 million dollar contract for Ted Ginn Jr. would have been a better move than signing Mike Wallace.
So you think Mike Wallace is good enough to completely change your offensive scheme just to fit him into the scheme? Because that is what you are suggesting. You are suggesting that coaches who want a timing oriented passing offense to abandon the timing aspect of its passing game just to fit ONE player, when NONE of the other receivers are having the issues that Mike Wallace is having with fitting into the scheme. You want them to basically run a passing offense where two receivers are running pristine routes, but the third is freelancing his route to the point that the quarterback doesn't know exactly what he's going to do. Oh, and on top of that, to fit this guy in, you will need to focus more on throwing it to him and less on throwing it to the open man. Then what do you do with guys like Brian Hartline and Rishard Matthews, players who do run their routes correctly and with proper timing? Basically, the Dolphins need to scrap their system and timing based passing offense just so they can justify overpaying for Mike Wallace.
You're missing the point like the others. If he is a "fit" here isn't the topic, the sentiment is "Wallace sucks" "Wallace isn't earning his contract" blah, blah, blah. Maybe Iam the only guy in this forum that has watched Mike Wallace throughout his career, because he IS doing what he has always done in his career....get open downfield for big plays. Anyone who expected 60Million to magically turn him into a different WR....then the joke is on you. And AGAIN I must repeat myself to Brandon27, RYAN TANNEHILL IS ABOUT THE THIRD REASON WE CANT HIT WALLACE DEEP BEHIND A HORRIBLE OL AND SCHEME. Funny I have been on here defending Ryan since day one, and people and their typical reactions always ASSume that because I'm not anti Wallace, I must be anti Tannehill. Y'all so silly.
Well here's the way I see it. I think this past off season is a strong case for giving the head coach the final say on personnel. The GM and HC of this team were/are in very different situations. The GM needed to make a big splash due to his several years of below average to average work whereas the HC was just finishing year one as a coach with an overachieving team. The GM's big splash may have been at the cost of bringing in players, especially offensively, that fit the HCs system. Ireland went all out to patch up the roster whereas if Philbin was in charge, maybe he would have been fine building through the draft with players that fit his mold. His 7-9 record with a 5-11 talent level team may have afforded him that level of patience. As for Wallace in particular, I think the offense has been modified due to his limitations. We've barely seen Hartline on the right when some of his biggest plays last year were from the right (crossing route vs AZ). When Philbin came in he said he wanted all receivers to be able to line up anywhere and run any route. Clearly this is not occurring here and clearly our biggest ticket receiver cannot do this. As well, due to his presence on the roster, I believe the team has forced plays to Wallace. This has lead to picks and other negative plays (screen passes?). This offense prohibits forcing the ball to any receiver. The likely target is identified based on the QBs pre snap read, predicted defense and route combinations. This level of precision does not match Wallace' skill set which as a consequence has lowered our QBs rating. The " anonymous sources" will assuredly be buzzing this off season and it'll be interesting to see what transpires.
So, Mike's poor route running, inability to go up and get the ball, overall lack of effort, and poor route running has nothing to do with his lack of production? I mentioned poor route running twice just to emphasize how piss poor he is as a route runner.
Was he ever a good route runner? No. You seem to be arguing the signing 10 months after the fact. He is a Miami Dolphin and he is doing what he has his entire career.
Wallace has broke wide open behind the defense multiple times this season, and I have yet to see Tannehill hit him in stride. I guess we can't expect it all the time, but it seems like once in a blue moon he could.
Who said anything about completely changing the offensive scheme? I'm talking about finding a way to make Wallace a more prominent feature of the offense. That could involve more deep throws, maybe more plays designed with him as the first option. That has nothing to do with completely changing the offensive system or a need to "scrap the system", as you said. All I'm saying is play to his strengths. We have been clamoring for a play making deep threat WR down here for years- he's certainly flawed, but why not use him in the best, most productive way possible? If he's most effective going deep, let's go deep to him more. And there is no getting around that Tannehill has to pick it up as per the quality of his deep throws, everyone knows that including himself and his coaching staff. From NFL.com: The criticism on Wallace is that he's not a complete receiver, doesn't run a full route tree and is unreliable as a go-to target. That hasn't proven to be the case with the Dolphins. "It's not, 'If I can't get the deep ball, I can't do anything else,' " cornerback Brent Grimes told The Miami Herald. "He has good hands, can run other routes. He's not a one-trick pony." Dolphins quarterbacks also have noticed on film that Wallace is more than just a vertical "go" route specialist. "What was impressive to see was what he can do with the ball (on short patterns)," Matt Moore said, via the Miami Herald. "Everyone talks about the deep routes, but Ben Roethlisberger would sometimes get him the ball quickly and just let him go." The Pittsburgh Steelers frequently used Wallace on quick screens and slants. With one missed tackle, he's a threat to hit paydirt. According to ESPN.com's KC Joyner, Wallace led the NFL two years ago in average yards per target on throws of 10 yards or less. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...allace-not-a-onetrick-pony-for-miami-dolphins
Anyone that suggests "finding better ways" to integrate Mike into the offense is asking the team to do exactly that.....completely change the scheme to fit one player. He absolutely cannot play and be productive in a timing passing game.
I'd like to see more rollouts from Tannehill, to buy time for Wallace's deep routes (not to be confused with Tannehill releasing the ball earlier on straight flies, stop & gos, etc.) and also to -gulp- maybe take advantage of Tannehill's athleticism as well? I've seen enough of Wallace in games and highlights to a. believe that he is a limited yet talented and ludicrously fast receiver b. not believe that he is as bad at tracking the ball in the air/adjusting as he's made out to be. Wallace is at fault, Tannehill is at fault and the coaching staff has to do a better job, bottom line. No matter how you cut it Wallace is a serious deep threat and he might be the fastest player in the league. Big salary, not a complete player but he certainly has skills to offer. Time to use them in the best possible way.
Where do you come up with these all knowing absolutes? You can keep the current timing passing system and make adjustments when Wallace is the first option, that's not a complete overhaul. That's just common sense, what I would imagine a coach like Don Shula would do- get the most out of your players' talent. I find it ironic that for all of your problems with Wallace in a timing passing game, Tannehill might be a worse fit in a timing passing offense as a QB than Wallace is as a WR. Tannehill does not time passes well. Tannehill does not anticipate routes well and he's pretty lousy at leading receivers on their patterns to give them an edge on the DB covering them. He has not thrown deep balls very well, and your blind devotion to stats on that means squat- 2 of 10, 3 of 10, whatever. Is there a stat for effieciency when a receiver is 5 yards open, has smoked the DB covering him and the pass either ends up as a TD, incompletion or a completion on a below average deep pass that should have easily been a touchdown? We could call that the "Tannehill stat". I would refer to the Alen 1 article on Tannehill's struggles throwing in the middle of the fild in a timing offense- we already know that he's struggling with his deep passes: http://blogs.thescore.com/nfl/2013/...-still-struggling-in-the-middle-of-the-field/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGHB5-sHhO0 Excellent piece imo, Tannehill has a long way to go. You don't like Wallace, that's clear. But to suggest that the coaches can;t carve a role for him in this offense or that they have to scrap and revamp the offense to get him going- I find that to be a bit obtuse.
All I know is that in 2012 we had the worst WR group I've ever seen and no vertical component whatsoever. Wallace improves both of those areas so assuming that Philbin likes to score points and win games then he probably views Wallace as a welcome addition. And even if Philbin was against the signing, he is still the HC and it's still his job to use his players in the most efficient way possible. He doesn't have the luxury of rehashing whether it was a smart pickup endlessly like we do.
Peyton Manning made comments that it takes a year or longer to sometimes get the chemistry and timing with a new receiver... http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/75406/manning-working-out-with-his-receivers It would have been nice if Tannehill and Wallace had had the chemistry and timing down to start the season, but Wallace missed a lot of preseason play and their synchronicity has been visibly off all season. I expect it'll be a work in progress, but much improved come next season. As for the throwing deep, it's funny that a lot of teams are critical of the Qbs in this area. You can find stuff all over the internet about this with Brady, Rodgers, Griffin, CKap, etc... even Manning is having a record setting season, and yet there are articles criticizing him for his deep ball as well. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...hy-is-peyton-manning-struggling-to-throw-deep
I think Wallace needs a little more time with Tannehill. It's clear imo that's not playing to his contract but you are right, I think he missed a couple of weeks of training camp before the Hall Of Fame Game. This is his 3rd offense in 3 years as well. It sounds like excuses but I'm not willing to give up on the guy yet.
Wallace now has 742 yards and 3 TDs. Plenty of time to continue to find plays to get him the ball. He now has TDs in consecutive games and is going to want a strong showing against the Steelers. I expect him to be pumped for this game and to show a lot of effort on each play.
He's currently on pace for 990 yards and 4 TDs. It's actually pretty plausible that he'll surpass the 1000 yard mark considering he and Tannehill are starting to click... when all is said and done, it won't be that bad a season for him if that does indeed happen.
