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The Official 2014 MLB Off-Season Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by finyank13, Oct 31, 2013.

  1. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    One can dream, hopefully Seattle is more than just leverage in this.

    Wow, with our pitching Cano excels this team to a playoff contender.
     
  2. King Felix

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    he'll just start sucking and get caught with performing enhancing drugs. #TheMarinerWay
     
  3. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Do it. If Mariners haven't won anything in 4 or 5 years, eat some of the money and trade him. I think it could be a win win for a team like the mariners.
     
  4. Ray Finkle

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    Sounds to me like leverage to try and get the Yankees to up their offer.
     
  5. Ray Finkle

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    Saltalamacchia to the Marlins for 3 years at 21 million.

    Kind of wonder where he will be traded to next year....
     
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  6. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    Get out of my life rob brantly!
     
  7. Alex44

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    Just look for the team with the most overrated prospects and you have a winner.
     
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  8. padre31

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    Ellsbury to the NYY?
     
  9. Finfangirl

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    heard that Rumor Too, Pad. Heard He's Coming In For A Physical Tomorrow.

    Also, Heard They Are Shopping Gardener.
     
  10. padre31

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    Well, they got out the credit card again it would seem

    7 yrs though?

    I'd truly hate to see the amount of contracts they have on the books including for guys no longer on the team.

    Hearing 7 yrs at 150 million
     
  11. Finfangirl

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    It's True! 7/152
    Cano Is A Goner, I Suspect. Gardner Is ExpendablE, I Assume, Infante Will Be Signed.


     
  12. Finfangirl

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    More

     
  13. padre31

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    I've been waiting for RF to check in to read his thoughts on all of this.

    Thing with Johnson is the NL to AL move is just hard to predict an outcome
     
  14. Finfangirl

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    Johnson has played for both the jays and the rays. He'll be fine and he played a bit of 3rd base last year.
     
  15. Mainge

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    Like the JJ signing, Pad?
     
  16. Nappy Roots

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    Kelly Johnson was in the AL the past 2 and a half seasons?
     
  17. LiferYank

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    That and why would a position player be different playing for a NL or a AL team?
     
  18. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Yea. Kelly Johnson is a decent player with some pop. He plays decent defense at a few positions. Decent signing.
     
  19. Ray Finkle

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    Hey you asked for it Padre, haha.

    I truly like Ellsbury, I think he's a very good player and I will miss watching him play everyday and rooting against him now. With that being said I wouldn't have signed him to that deal. I think it's a big overpay for a guy that's 30. And no he is NOT soft or injury prone, the two years he missed a lot of time was due to running into a player and breaking his rib and a player falling on his shoulder, two freak things.

    I am also happy he's going to be paid big time, he earned that. He's not a trader or a traitor, the Sox best offer to him was 5 years for under 100, I heard it was closer to 5/80.

    But I really don't understand this move from the Yankees side though. For a team that is bare in the farm system they just lost their 1st and 2nd round picks for signing two 30 year olds to long term deals. IF the Yankees resign Cano, I believe Brian McCann would be their youngest position player and Ellsbury would be their 2nd youngest player. Just seems like a strange move to me. Now don't get me wrong Ellsbury and McCann absolutely make this team better next year and realistically for the next 3 or 4 but then the Yankees are in the same boat they're in last year with a bunch of old players again.

    I also wonder if this was a Cashman move or Levine one.

    Anyway bring on the JBJ Era in Boston.
     
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  20. Ray Finkle

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    I like the Johnson signing too if he's used strictly as a bench player. Check out his 1st half/2nd half splits. Seems like he comes on strong and then fades.
     
  21. Ray Finkle

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    By the way I really really liked the A's trade of Seth Smith for Luke Gregerson yesterday. Surprised the Padres gave up Gregerson for so little.
     
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  22. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I jumped off the bridge but somehow am still here......

    I dont know what to say but I am disgusted....I will just leave it at that.....

    This was a move to put asses in the seats and that is it, because nothing about a 7 year deal at 21M per that vests into an 8 year deal for a player whom at 30; game is predicated on speed WITH a no trade clause makes any sort of sense....

    The Yankees can never be what I what them to be, their brand doesn't allow it and I hate it...
     
  23. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    You are a smart guy, it is pretty easy.....if I am Cash I hand in my phone today and walk away...
     
  24. Ray Finkle

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    Let's see if he has the stones to walk away when his contract is up then. I'm sure he'd be able to find another GM job no problem. I'd actually be interested to see how he'd do outside of NY.
     
  25. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Me too....

    I think he will, he has made his money....as with all GM's they make mistakes but Cashman has been pretty vocal about some of the things he would or wouldn't have done...

    Most notably A-Rod's 2nd contract....
     
  26. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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  27. Ray Finkle

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    I think it would be interesting to see Cashman actually build a team from the ground floor up, like he said he wanted to do with the Yankees numerous times. I would love to see him go to somewhere like Seattle, for example.
     
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  28. Higgi

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    Granderson coming to the Mets?

    He does have power numbers, but those are sure to fall at Citi right? Wrong side of 30, a possible 4 year deal, him and Chris Young will combine to hit around .220 for the outfield...eh, not sure I like this for the Mets.
     
  29. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    The Yanks have money, thats it...it is actuall pretty easy to GM a team based on a pocketbook....

    Think about it he cant make trades, cuz effing Nunez is their centerpiece of any deal (wtf)....
     
  30. padre31

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    To me the Yankees problem is with so much $$$ tied up into proven veterans contracts, vets who usually will miss games due to injuries over the course of a season, means their young prospects have little chance to play and develop into competent fillins when a vet goes down.

    That and it's great to have star power, to me it means more when fans can watch a player grow into their role on the team from Day 1, a team full of mercenaries can win games not sure how long they can hold interest.
     
  31. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    It is a flawed way of thinking sure....but you got to sell those vastly overpriced PSL's and who better to do that in Ellsbury coming to the Sox....I really hope the fans stay away, this might be the first time since being 5 years old that I dont go to at least 1 game...
     
  32. Ray Finkle

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    Well certainly he has done a very poor job with the farm system.
     
  33. Ray Finkle

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    Well one of the major issues with the Yankees is they don't have those young prospects to step in and produce. Mostly all of their top prospects took step backs last year and are 2 to 3 years away at least.

    I do find it interesting that all the talk you heard coming into this offseason was how all of these MLB teams will try to copy the 2013 Red Sox blue print of signing good, hard nose baseball players to short term deals and then there's the Yankees who are following the 2011 Red Sox model of signing everyone to large contracts because they can.

    Who knows maybe it will work out for them but again they might not have a single starting position player under 30 years old next year and all last year we were talking about the age of Jeter, Arod, Sabathia, Teixeira, Kuroda and Pettitte and in 3 or 4 years we'll be talking about Ellsbury, Sabathia, McCann, probably Cano and maybe even Jeter (kind of a joke but maybe not). Just seems strange they're going in this direction. I get the McCann signing but still don't understand the Ellsbury one.

    And sorry buddy I don't buy you won't go to a single game this year. You're too much of a fan (I don't mean that in a negative way at all). It will be hard to stay away, especially if they're good.
     
  34. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    The years he has no picks sure....the past few years he has down ok....you cant get a good farm system giving away 1/2nd picks all the time...
     
  35. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I am hearing 3 years, which is about right....he isnt commanding big money...

    I think his power number will go down sure, but Granderson doesn't hit cheap home runs, the guy albeit while a small frame guy, has legit power....
     
  36. Ray Finkle

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    Since 2000 there has only been 2 times when the Yankees didn't have a 1st round pick (2011 & 2002), in 2011 they had a sandwich pick (Dante Bichette Jr.) and in 2002 they only had a 2nd round pick. The only year they didn't have a 2nd round pick was in 2006. In 4 of those years they had multiple 1st round picks (2012, 2006, 2004, 2001). In 2 of those years they had multiple 2nd round picks (2012 & 2001). Of course right now they won't have a 1st or 2nd round pick.

    The fact remains that Cashman and his team recently have not drafted well and/or are able to develop those players they do draft and/or sign as international FAs. It is certainly an area that the FO and ownership should be looking at to see what the reasons are for that and make changes.
     
  37. Finfangirl

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    Im going to pipe in

    I think the Yankees signing Ells is a Levine move, no question. Im sure in the coming weeks, Cash will let the media know that he was NOT responsible for it. Some things i want to address are the Money and the Years.

    Years
    Ells just turned 30, so he'll be playing into his 36th year, not his 37th. Declining Im sure, but it's really not that big of a deal.
    This indeed helped the yankees get younger so to speak. Honestly, the guy is not injury prone, he's had a few freak injuries, but i think thats being way overblown.

    Money
    Heard from a very well placed friend in the Padres organization, that the Red Sox were going to offer 6/120 plus a no trade and a vesting option. (boras wanted both) That's 20 mill a year. right? Yanks are Slightly overpaying at 21.3ish a year. Look at the market. Pence. Overpayed. Peralta. Overpayed. Choo. about to be overpayed. Beltran @ 48 million for 3 yrs from the royals? Thats an overpayment. Jesus, the Twins just spent 72 million on Phil F'n Hughes and Ricky Nolasco. I mean really the market is commanding the over pay. That's just the way it is and Bud has created this. He's made every owner very rich and in turn the players want their share.

    As an educated fan, i wont say "oh it's not my money, why should i care?" What i am going to ask is what's the plan? Because if your the yankees and your willing to spend 21 on ells how can you look Cano in the face and tell him he's not worth 4 mill more than Ells makes? You cant. If the yankees dont sign Cano this signing was all for naught.

    I like Ellsbury a lot, i wanted him as a yankee. But, im not sure i can get behind the money and the years if they dont follow up with Cano.
     
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  38. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    My point being with that much futility people should be fired...the Oppenheimer's have a longstanding relationship with the Steinbrenners and Levine and I dont think he can can those guys....instead they can the Strength and Conditioning Coach instead whom by all accounts the players liked him...You can develop players sure by at the end of the day when they are **** to begin with you can only develop them to a certain point because they lack overall talent...Bichette being a prime example....

    On draft day sure Cashman probably makes the choice, from say 4-5 players but again how are those players viewed in the Oppenheimer board as opposed to say the Cherington, Beane etc board? I dont think Cashman or many GM's have a vast knowledge of all the players in the draft, and definately rely heavily on their scouting department. Probably more so then in any sport because their are so many more players available on any given year......
     
  39. finyank13

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    I. Want. To. Marry. You.

    Seriously can we make it happen.....does this make you happy??

    Also I agree on Cano, and who knows maybe Cano looks and sees McCann and Ells and would rather play in that lineup as opposed to Seattle....
     
  40. Finfangirl

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    And that Bichette draft was strictly as a favor because Bichette, Sr. and Binder Joe are like BFF's
     

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