Salguero: Ireland told his job is safe

The best move the Dolphins can make is bring Brian Xanders in as GM. Brian is currently in the Detroit Lions front office, and he is building a metrics oriented scouting system for that organization. Brian, from an analytical standpoint, will mesh a lot better with Joe Philbin than Jeff Ireland does.

 

This is the worst news ever smfh

 

You'd be amazed at people's sudden loss of long-term memory when their team starts winning.

 

Good news! We only have three games left.

 

That's the thing. The team will never win enough with Jeff Ireland as the GM to offset how hated he is by the fan base. There is no upside to keeping him.

There is a lot of upside to keeping Joe Philbin. Joe is pretty heavy in advanced analytics, and if the Dolphins delve deeper into that, they will give themselves a tremendous advantage on the rest of the league.

 

Tells you how absolutely ******ed part of the fanbase is then.

That should define having an agenda, btw. People who just want to hate JA no matter how many games we win.

 

I don't know if you can really make that claim.. There were a lot of people in those stands when we had that hot start this year.

 

I'm not going to criticize a fan base for hating a guy who has been a complete ******* to the fans and to the media, and to top it off, he isn't very good at his job.

 

lol Please the fans have been just as bad, probably worse, imo. But they're above any criticism?

According to you, a member of the hate him no matter how many games his team wins crowd. So yea, I'm shocked.

 

I hope we lose every game and not make the playoff because Ireland will do more damage if he stays. besides if Ireland and Sherman both stay next season may be worse then this season so I don't mind making a sacrifice with this season if , it means getting a better gm and offensive coordinator next year.

by the way Chris Collinsworth is a ******* he was saying it more about the Steelers losing then Miami winning translation if the guy stays in bounds it would have been a miracle . so

why is it that Miami loses its a miracle but if Miami wins its not a miracle ?

 

I was willing to give him the chance. He has had his chance, and he has not maximized that chance. Signing Mike Wallace was the move that did him in. It was bad to overpay for him. It was even worse to do it when he doesn't fit the system.

 

No answer to why the fans aren't held to any criticism?

Name me a WR someone hasn't overpaid for so I can tell you that according to my standards that that is incorrect.

 

Posted this in another thread, before the game:
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As much as I don't want to stand up for Ireland, how can we give a free pass to coaching?

Look at Sparano... a Neanderthal and has done nothing since.

Philbin and co... I hate to use Omar Kelly as a source, but he has been spot on about the coaching staff. They take weeks to implement what everyone is screaming for, such as moving the pocket/roll outs, running the ball when were doing it well, playing Dion Jordan, forcing the 4-3 despite our talent, getting Wallace the ball, not to mention Sherman's play calling when we are in fg range, could go on forever. This team could and SHOULD easily be 8-4, with this talent.

After the season starts, the onus falls on the coaching staff to produce. I even blame them for not getting McKinnie before the bye, I'm sure it was them telling the GM they needed help, not Ireland telling them they needed McKinnie.
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If that's your #1 requirement you want out of a GM, I won't be taking your selections very serious..jmo.

 

Anyone that does not embrace using advanced metrics to help aid in player evaluation and decision making and only wants to trust his eyes should not be considered AT ALL.

 

Why do you assume Ireland doesn't want analytics to "aid" in decision making? Why is analytics the #1 qualification for being a GM? Why can't you just pay someone to give you the analytics?

 

Look at the results. Do you think he uses analytics at all? Look at how he overspends in free agency on a yearly basis. He clearly does not have a good system of establishing the value of a player.

 

No matter how many games we win? The fanbase wants Ireland gone because there isn't any winning. It looks like the Dolphins are on course for their first winning season in five years; exactly what about disliking a record of one season over .500 in five years is "******ed"?

Of course the fanbase has an agenda; they want their favorite football team to win the Super Bowl every year. They've lost confidence in the guy responsible for bringing in the players. The fact that this is still an issue with the Dolphins being in playoff contention (albeit on the outside looking in) tells you how winning isn't curing this particular ill.

I think only a handful of people are giving a free pass to the coaches, namely the same ones who insist on staying the course and that everything is OK. But a bigger perceived problem than the coaching staff is that the players on the roster don't fit their desired criteria. They are absolutely to blame for not adapting very well, but that's a secondary failure, and partially balanced out by their previously baffling use of some players which has since panned out (Olivier Vernon as a pass rusher, for instance).

This fanbase also crystallized around the concept of a head coach with GM responsibilities, so they'd like to see how Philbin does with either GM duties or hiring a GM to do it for him (thus making the GM subservient to him).

But there's too much complaining about Sherman's playcalling and Coyle's rotations to seriously make a claim that the coaching staff gets a free pass.​

 

As of today, the lions have the same record as us. Detroit hasn't built a better team and there's no reason to think someone from their FO is better than Ireland.

 

Whatever..I didn't say not use them, your acting like a Mac should be our GM..it's a small part of the process, not the most important.

 

Did you not see where he said that in the post I was responding to?

 

Xanders hasn't even been with them for a year yet, and the scouting system wasn't in place come draft time.

The Denver team you see today was largely built by Xanders.

 

Did you not see the part where I replied to what you said, not to what KB said?

 

Would not be a thread if you didnt get your Wallace lick in now would it...

 

Using advanced metrics should be more than just a small part of the process. As I said in the club level, there is only so much information film work can give you, and you can get to the point where you watch too much film. Your eyes will deceive you. When you only watch film, you are subject to natural biases that you will not be able to overcome. The advanced metrics eliminate those biases.

 

100%.

The Lions are sitting pretty at 7-6 mainly bc of injuries to Cutler and Rodgers and IIRC they were 4-12 last year.

 

This is going in my sig.

 

Oh really? He improved the team this past offseason? He did a few things that were very good and a few things that made everyone scratch their heads and that havent worked.

The good:
Brent Grimes (Now extend him!!!!)
Extending Reshad Jones
Dion Jordan
Extending Brian Hartline (It cost more then most wanted it to but wasnt a bad move for a player who has produced)
Dustin Keller (Ill count this as a good move because I think it would have worked out)
Brandon Gibson

The Mediocre:
Mike Wallace (Yes he overpaid but he was the best WR available for a team that really needed a deep threat...Good player, massively overpaid and only above average stats/results)
Dannell Ellerbe (Underperformed a bloated contract like Wallace but hasnt been awful but hasnt been as good as you want for the money hes getting paid)
Trading for Bryant McKinnie (He hasnt been great or terrible but Ireland realized his mistake in not signing a guy who wanted to be a Dolphin during the off-season...This is about McKinnie the player)

The Bad:
Cutting Kevin Burnett for Phillip Wheeler. Wheeler makes more and hasnt been as good as Burnett.
The rest of the draft aside from Jordan. Not saying the players will be bad but they cant even get on the field so we cant even determine that. Thats a failure.
Letting Reggie Bush walk. A lot of people wanted Lamar Miller to take over myself included but thats blown up in our faces. No run game to speak of without Bush.
Having to trade for McKinnie after not being intelligent enough to sign him as a backup in the first place when the player has repeatedly said he wanted to sign here through his career. It only cost a 6th but it was unnecessary.

The Awful:
Sticking with Jon Martin after Joe Philbin asked him for a better LT
Tyson Clabo.
Keeping Richie Incognito after Philbin wanted him cut because of his attitude
Putting together the worst OL in the NFL aside from Pouncey

The reasons this team is better is because of the growth of Ryan Tannehill and the defense being opportunistic. Its that simple. Jeff Ireland had a dozen picks and 50+ million in free agent dollars to spend. He produced a draft that cant even get on the field aside from Jordan and Sims and free agent crop that has been mediocre at best. This year we have anywhere from 25-40M depending on where the cap is set and if guys like Patterson (5.4M) and Moore (4M) are cut or not. Jeff Ireland should not be given the chance to mess up another off season and hand out more contracts that will simply saddle this team for the next few years.

 

You don't need advanced metrics to know that Peyton Manning is the key to their success.

 

Von Miller, Julius Thomas, Demarius Thomas, Eric Decker....etc. All better than anyone we have at those positions.

 

Do I have this right?

Blame Ireland for anything that goes wrong and credit the players Ireland brought in for anything that goes well?

 

It made no sense since what it's implying is we could win every game for the rest of the season and people would still be soooo upset about Ireland that it wouldn't matter.

 

Boik, you should move Mike Wallace and Dannell Ellerbe to the bad signings. When you take into account what the team is paying for them vs what they are getting out of them, they are not just poor moves. They are extremely poor moves.

Jeff Ireland should not get another chance to overpay another Mike Wallace type.

 

Along with players being injured. Idk how you can say well I think Keller would of worked out so that's ok but Jamar Taylor is a failure bc? Double standard.

Too much in the imagination dept with what may or may not of happened w between he and Philbin too. Tired of hearing mystery sources passing on made up facts.

 

I know what you said, I know where you stand..I'm good.

 

As you know, I've been a pretty staunch supporter of being fair in the evaluation of Ireland, however, if its true about Philbin not wanting Martin or Incognito, and Ireland didn't correct that, then he deserves to either be fired or at the very least lose some control.

As it stands draft wise, its kind of hard to argue that the 2011 class looks an awful lot better today (the obligatory 3 year period being up)...with Pouncey, Clay, Thomas & Wilson out of a 6 pick draft.

 

No you don't have this right. Blame Ireland when the players he brought in under-perform. That is how being a GM works. You bring in the personnel and evaluate the personnel and the personnel you brought in didn't live up to expectations or outperform the players you got rid of. Who should get the blame? The player gets part, the coach gets part and Gm gets part. Just like if the players do well and the coach does well then the GM gets credit.

Now all I got out of your post is that the GM deserves no criticism whatsoever. This team should be at a point were they are ready to fire a GM who has been given 6 years and still cant beat the ****ing Pats. If youre satisfied with a GM who continues to put together teams that are routinely between 7-9-9-7 and have no sustainability thats on you but it doesnt mean everyone else should be.

 

Are you saying that Peyton is not the key to their success?

 

The reason I didnt do that is twofold...

1. I like both players and think they are both productive. I think if they were used correctly, and you know neither one is, then the salary becomes more palatable.
2. You know that once you go out to sign a top tier FA that youre going to overpay. Im all for cost-based-analysis but you have to take this in to account. Im not sure thats entirely fair to any GM so I didnt do it.

 

I don't think anyone knows who Philbin wanted or did not want. But for the sake of argument let's say Philbin wanted Cogs gone. First off, Cogs has played well for us ever since he got here and IIRC he was voted to the Pro Bowl last year so you could easily argue that Philbib was wrong for wanting him gone. You could definitely argue that Ireland is the GM and he has say on personnel matters while Philbin is a first time HC at any level, who is he to be over ruling his boss, a veteran personnel man? That's no different than Ireland phoning in mid game to tell Philbin what plays to run in the red zone, no?

Next is what happens when Cogs is let go? He didn't have trade value like Vontae or Marshall so we couldn't get anything for him. Most likely Ireland cuts him and without a ready replacement the same fans killing him for keeping Cogs would be killing him for cutting him. Can you imagine us having the OL play we have had this year after cutting a Pro Bowl guard?

Not saying Ireland doesn't put his pants on one leg at a time but too many fans like to sit on the throne and judge decisions with little or no information, with a shoot first ask questions later attitude and then they get mad when the teams decisions don't fit well with their ill informed opinions.