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Salguero: Ireland told his job is safe

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Dec 8, 2013.

  1. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Not playing anywhere near the worst does not equal playing well. It's still not a very good line. It still does not have the players that fit a zone blocking scheme.
     
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  2. GMJohnson

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    What does that even mean?

    What aspect of coaching is he not good at, or do you think he's bad at all of them?
     
  3. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I disagree. I think Pittsburgh had a great offensive line a couple of years ago. and Flacco has been around for quite a while now. I think both are good examples of what I was talking about.
     
  4. rtl1334

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    Well here's the lunacy of these kinds of discussions on message boards. If we fire Philbin and fans of other teams have their way, we should be in position to hire the likes of Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, Mike McCarthy among others. As well, again if other teams fans get their way, we should have an equal number of options for replacing Ireland.
     
  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I do not really agree with that.

    They are playing well enough to win. I will take it. There is no teams without a glaring hole. Even the Seahawks, who have a very bad line as well.
     
  6. Anonymous

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    There is no way in hell they fit this scheme. The line will need an over haul this off season.
     
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  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Well when two of your starters are off the team no matter what, the line is going to have an over haul.
     
  8. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Agreed.

    Sparano favored big mauling linemen and Philbin prefers the faster more agile guys and Ireland has not gotten around to providing those types of linemen, I think we can all agree on that.

    But he hasn't been sitting around doing nothing though. He's brought in a QB, revamped the WR, CB, and LB positions, kept a top 5 DL in tact, added a serious blue chipper in Jordan, all while many of his prior selections have blossomed into solid contributors, Clay, Hartline, Clemons, Jones, Carroll, Wilson, Misi, Thomas, Matthews, etc.
     
  9. dWreck

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    Wow....... I don't even.
     
  10. Anonymous

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    My issue is he has made great moves, but has also made serious blunders that is holding this team back. The swapping of the linebackers and signing of Wallace are serious issues.
     
  11. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Bottom line question. Would Jeff Ireland get another job as a GM if he was fired by Miami based on his track record at this point?
     
  12. GMJohnson

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    I liked Dansby and Burnett, I thought they were keys to the pass D and Ellerbe/Wheeler have done nothing to wow me at all. All I can say is they're younger and faster. KD and KB are 31-32 and we were going to have to replace them soon anyway.
     
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  13. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How many games have the Dolphins blown double-digit leads?

    Miami was up 10 on Pittsburgh, 13 on Carolina, 14 on Cincinnati, 14 on New England, and 11 vs. the Colts and managed to blow every one of those leads. In addition to that, they've had collapses vs. New Orleans, Baltimore, Buffalo, and Tampa Bay, where they suffered routs and 10+ unanswered points.

    That's not a talent issue. That's bad coaching. That's a staff disappearing up its own ******* with bad game-plans, adjustments, and game management. Talent issues will get exploited over and over, and tend to get pretty obvious.

    The only issue like that the Dolphins have is the offensive line, and frankly, a huge part of that is the blocking scheme. The talent issues are greatly exacerbated by a staff that has for the most part plodded along trying to do the same thing.

    Hell, how many sacks this year can we put down to the team going empty backfield and telegraphing a five man protection scheme in must-pass situations at the end of games? Could Mike Sherman employ a little bit of the Kubiak bootleg game he ran in '07? Yeah, but we don't like half-field reads. Could Philbin push more robust blocking schemes like you'd see in Green Bay, with at times two fullbacks in pass pro on shotgun formation? Yeah, but that's not our offense.
     
  14. Fineas

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    I'm not sure that's really accurate. Pouncey is perfectly suited for zone blocking. Dallas Thomas is suited for it too. He hasn't played and you can't really go by a rookie's preseason as a gauge of what his career will be like, but he's not talentless. Martin was not unsuited for zone blocking. Incognito is a lot faster and more athletic than people give him credit for -- he ran a 4.84 40 coming out. Lance Louis is very athletic and ran a 4.76 40 coming out. Danny Watkins was reputed to have very good mobility coming out -- I don't remember seeing him and he hasn't played well as a pro, but I don't think he is unsuited to zone blocking. Sam Brenner ran a 5.03 40. There are/were guys on the roster who are suited for zone blocking, but in many instances the coaches haven't played them. And that might have been the right decision, but maybe it wasn't. Maybe the OL would have been better if they had played some of those guys more.

    And to be clear, an OL doesn't been to have the speed of a trackstar and the agility of a ballerina to be effective as a zone blocker. You can't be completely immobile or inflexible, but the speed/agility requirements are not that high.
     
  15. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Not a chance in hell.
     
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  16. Disgustipate

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    There's nothing to this but a contrived sense of victimization by the media over the Jonathan Martin thing. The team didn't rally around that, if anything they came out and **** the bed vs. the Buccaneers and then went back to business as usual.

    That's not an achievement.
     
  17. isaacjunk

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    I think overall his drafts are probably in the average range ( value at the top of the draft is mediocre, but his ability to find value at the very low rounds + UDFA stage is above average ). I really think if he had taken some moderately more impactful steps to fix the OL and perhaps kept Dansby instead of going for Ellerbe, we'd be pretty happy with this team right now...
     
  18. dWreck

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    If we won out and philbin didnt get a vote it would be a serious injustice. What does ANY coach do then, if this is your point?
     
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  19. Disgustipate

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    I think it's accurate in a sense.

    You've got no one who can lead an outside zone play(your tackles aren't good run blockers, and you don't have a bulldozing tight end), and your guards are borderline athletes for the scheme. Both Incognito and Jerry are good athletes on paper, and at least solid in practice, but neither of them could hit their targets on outside zones worth a **** in practice.

    You don't need track stars, but I don't think you can have more than one or maybe two of McKinnie/Martin/Incognito/Garner/Clabo on the field, when that's 4/5ths of the line until just the other day.

    The coaching staff is pretty culpable because they knew what the score was going into the season. Last year they shifted the scheme about mid-season when it was clear it wasn't working, and this year they took even longer it seems. I don't think you can paint it as Ireland forcing non-fits on the team either, because by all accounts outside of Incogntio's rapey tendencies, they liked him as a player and they had hopes for John Jerry to develop.
     
  20. Disgustipate

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    It's higher than average I think.

    It's a lot more complex than I think people are willing to put the effort into. He really **** the bed with Wallace and the linebackers, but then again, I don't know that anyone can match the amount of acquired/break out talent of Jared Odrick, Charles Clay, Olivier Vernon, and Brent Grimes either.
     
  21. Desides

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    It's pretty telling that no one has directly answered this question. Let's rephrase it; if you were a fan of another team, would you envy the Miami Dolphins for having Jeff Ireland?
     
  22. Disgustipate

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    If we won out, it would be impressive and would temper my distaste, but it's pretty damned unlikely to happen.

    And it still wouldn't come close to Andy Reid.
     
  23. Anonymous

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    Ireland would find another job as a GM. Most likely in St. Louis.
     
  24. Disgustipate

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    If Jeff Ireland can't get a job with another team, it's because he ****ed himself over public relations-wise, not because he's an inferior performer or candidate for a job.
     
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  26. Lee2000

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    I am still not convinced Ireland has done an adequate job as a drafter. I want to see how his high round picks develop next year, minus Martin obviously. In particular, the two corners he drafted in the 2nd and 3rd round, and Sims and Jenkins in the 4th.
     
  27. Section126

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    Is it? we seem to be (at this point) pickem'/slight underdog to go 3-0 in the last 3.
     
  28. Desides

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    That seems like more of a Brian Gaine destination to me.
     
  29. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Yeah it's telling as in nobody responded b/c it's not even worth a response.
     
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  30. Stringer Bell

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    This is pretty much the worst arbiter possible. The general public cannot even make smart decisions regarding their own lives, never mind a billion dollar enterprise that they have no insight into.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
     
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  31. MonstBlitz

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    Why is it not worth a response? You think he would be hired by another team?
     
  32. P h i N s A N i T y

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    What does Ireland have to do with developing draft picks ? This is where you guys totally lose me on the GM analysis. Your waiting to see how the next few games play out to make your ultimate decision on how the GM performed this past offseason....?. That's just Ludacris ! I judge the GM based on his work acquiring talent and building a roster, it's up to the coaches to develop the talent, players to master their craft. If your waiting on the results of a game to adjust your assessment of player personnel, than your just not very knowledgable on the subject and looking for indicators.

    Do I go back and reevaluate because Clay and Thomas had Career days ? No, I thought they were decent picks at the time and they both contributed right away. Where they progress to from there has little to nothing to do with the GM. He could only project their "ceiling".
     
  33. Rick 1966

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    ROFL! No, he would most certainly NOT be hired in St Louis.
     
  34. KB21

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    St. Louis also isn't going to fire Les Snead to bring in Jeff Ireland.
     
  35. dWreck

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    :confused1:

    I don't understand your opinion/negative feelings towards our HC in the slightest.. But hey, it's your opinion to have. I like him TBQH.
     
  36. MikeHoncho

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  37. Triggercut

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    Didn't think Rick Spielman would get another job either.
     
  38. Desides

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    This might be the most condescending thing ever posted on these forums. It's also one of the wildest post misreadings I've ever seen. You actually think "other team's fanbase's opinion" was used as a foundational building block for a dislike of the job Ireland has done? No one is using that scenario to arbiter anything. It's a thought exercise to place Ireland into context with the other 31 GMs, nothing more.
     
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  39. djphinfan

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    Young team??new guys in a 2nd year system making mistakes?.. Not overwhelming the opponent from a personnel standpoint.??.. Young Qb who has a lot of turnovers?
     
  40. Anonymous

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    They could. Fisher is a huge fan of Ireland.
     

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