Unless Miami wins the Super Bowl there's gonna be threads bashing out coaching plays, tannehill and our offense when we lose our next game. It's bound to happen. I'm gonna enjoy each week until then. If we get to the playoffs and out first round, I'm still proud of this team and how far we come. I just want to get to the playoffs and turn the page on this organization. Now I don't want a 2008 playoff run and then go back to being terrible. I think us having a consistent guy at qb will fix that. I'm excited. For the first time in a long time I am confident about our future. I do think we have a potential franchise qb, who seems to be getting better. Learning from mistakes and showed he can come back when down. That's one thing I remember reading on here. How Tannehill never came back to win games in college. He never rose the the occasion. Well he has shown quite a few times this season that he can. Most notability two weeks in a row, against Pitt at Pitt and vs the pats at home. I'll take it. I'm proud of this team. I remember being sick go my stomach after that loss to Tampa. I thought our season was over. Now we have a real good shot at playing some playoffs game. I really hope we can do it. 2008 seems like a lifetime ago
Not quite sure what point you're trying to make here, Fin. If they drop the next 2 and finish 8-8, would you still say they've turned a corner? I'm not saying that they definitively wouldn't have turned a corner if they finished 9-7 and lost in the first round. Just pointing out that mediocre teams can go 9-7 and make the playoffs. IMHO, in that scenario we would have to wait until next season to see if the corner had really been turned.
I tend to agree. I think the mediocrity of this team begins and ends with Jeff Ireland. My fear is even if Philbin coaches this team to a phenomenal finish this year, I'm not sure it can be sustained as long as Jeff Ireland is in charge. But that's the last I'll say about Ireland in this thread.
No. He just turned my favorite team into a mediocre franchise and treats the fans like they are idiots.
Exactly....even if we make the playoffs, we still "didn't turn the corner" according to you guys. At this point, I'm guessing we can say we turned the corner if we win the SB and none of the plays were missed and we committed no penalties and shut out the opponent.
Fans are idiots and mediocre is far better then they were before he took over. Plus in the last two years, there is a trend up with good young talent and good cap space. You have been making huge stretches to justify his firing if Miami makes the playoffs.
and? NFL is a what have you done for me lately and if his last two latelys are 7-9 and 10-6, then he earned another year.
Slightly disagree here, but it's minor. To me, there's 16 teams in a conference, and mediocre to me fits in the 7th through 10th spots...so if you make the playoffs, you're above mediocre. ANY team in the playoffs has a chance to win the SB, mediocrity doesn't. And based on all the turmoil and injuries this team has suffered this season, to be 8-6 and in control of their playoff destiny for the 2 final weeks, I'd say they've turned a corner, particularly when I consider the upside to this team going forward. But everybody has their own definition of the corner, so...
Still have no idea what your point is. Are you reading what I type? Here it is again - And "according to you guys"? Who are you lumping me in with now? So you disagree? You think if this team goes 9-7 and makes the playoffs it would be impossible for them to not revert to 7-9 and back to mediocrity? I'm not saying one way or the other, just that in my opinion the jury would still be out in the scenario of 9-7 and one and done in playoffs. But somehow this is making you angry.
It may be as simple as that....who knows what Ross is thinking....but Philbin taking them to 10 wins after all this insanity carries more weight in my book, far more than Ireland. Heck, we dont know whats going on behind the scenes this year since the blowup (alledged) following Martin incident between HC and GM, etc. and decision on personnel. I sure hope Ross has already made up his mind...
I wouldn't be against his firing. Heck at one point of the season I wanted everyone fired. I still want Jim Turner fired because he has done a terrible job with the line. I just don't understand the mindset that even if Miami wins the superbowl Ireland deserves to be fired. Honestly I don't understand the mindset of even if Miami goes 10-6 that Ireland should be fired.
Wait, what other team was Ireland the GM of? Couldn't possibly be the Dolphins you're talking about because IIRC we were downright BAD before he even came here.
I dont either, at the same time I am thinking based on incidents....Ross no longer should use the "Wins" as a way to measure Ireland specifically. Thats my only point at this stage.
This. Whether it's to fire him or keep him I hope he's already decided. He should not impulsively decide Ireland's fate based on this stretch.
Based on incidents I would put those more on Philbin than Ireland. Locker room is his job. I heard a Holmgren let his players "vote" on their captains and then he would choose them.
Its not that cut and dry....and so many incidents go beyond just this season, that its only fair to re-visit them in the analysis of this years incidents - and who of the two contributed to them more - especially when it comes to Ireland, his approach and reputation and how Ross feels that impacts his franchise in the view of others. If he even cares about that. Again, who knows what Ross will decide.....I personally am not a fan that dives deep into organizational decisions, I care about W's (really consistent execution) on field of play regardless of who gets put out there....but get the sense like many others if I had to pick between credit for W's of late, it goes to Philbin and not Ireland for me.
Lol..KB. What in the world are you gonna do if they win it all this year. I'm not really a fan of Ireland either...but...might end up being hard to say he turned us into being mediocre. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk
Why are confused? You've very clearly stated that we have not turned the corner yet. You've also very clearly stated that even if we make it to the playoffs you're not willing to say we turned the corner. Sooooo, "turning the corner" now means NEVER being mediocre or worse again?
The Bills game worries me, the Jets not so much. They'll be more interested in getting the season over with and even if they do come to play Geno Smith is still Geno Smith.
While I do agree that there have been many incidents, I have noticed the amount of care of those incidents tend to increase with the dislike of Ireland. If I had to pick the credit for W's as of late, it goes to both. However, IMO, it makes Ireland look just as good and it makes me wonder why Philbin took so long to get them to play up to their talent
I'm worried about the Bills' running game and their pass rush, if we can neutralize those two things we can win easily. The Jets I think will be an easy game once again.
I saw a study that bears this out. In the study they gave self-proclaimed realists and self-proclaimed optimists identical lists of facts and asked them to predict the outcome and provide their reasoning. The optimists listed both the positive and negative facts in their reasoning and were far more accurate in predicting the outcomes (the fact scenarios were real life situations so the outcomes were known). The pessimists either ignored the positive facts or minimized their importance and were far less accurate in their predictions.
I'm not sold yet either. Their work isn't done. Their margin is still the smallest of small. Win these next two games and I'm sold. After the last 4 years, I think that's fair.
Horrible thread idea. If you base how this season will turn out because of what happened three years ago it makes no sense. This is a different team with a different coaching staff. Some people just love to put themselves through constant misery. I'm taking a different mind frame. What happens in the next two weeks has nothing to do with the past.
IMO, this team hasn't turned the corner if they can't finish strong and make the playoffs. If they go 10-6 and make the playoffs, I'm willing to say corner turned. 9-7 Undecided depending on what happens in the playoffs. 8-8 still a mediocre team, IMHO. That's just my opinion. As to your other statement, I'm talking about this team with this core group of players and this coach. Obviously nothing in the NFL lasts forever. Good or bad. Even non-mediocre teams (Packers and Ravens I think are good examples this year) have ups and downs. Can Miami become a consistently good team? I hope so. I think as I always have that will depend on Tannehill becoming a consistently good QB and he looks to be well on his way. That being said, I'm not sure what your problem is. I don't really think I'm being a pessimist here. But as per usual you have to play the "I'm a better fan" card and make any reasonable debate impossible. I think if you could give reasonable debate a try you would find we agree on much more than we disagree. Philbin, Tannehill, etc.
Agreed. He's a well built 6-0, 205 lb guy who runs a 4.4 and has very good athleticism. He sounds pretty bright and comes from a pretty high achieving military family which likely instilled a strong sense of discipline and work ethic. He's always been able to mirror receivers he just couldn't make plays on the ball. But he seems to have turned the corner there. He's exactly the kind of guy whose improvement is pretty credible and real.
The reason to fire Ireland isn't withering away. There is absolutely no reason to keep him, and the rationale to keep him is flimsy at best. Is it so hard to think about the fact that someone else can actually do a better job of putting together a roster and spend money more wisely than what Jeff has done?
The quarterback he drafted is his deodorant. It's not powerful enough to take away the stench of the 4th different crappy offensive line he's built, the overpaying for mismatched for the scheme linebackers, no running game and bad depth. Jeff Ireland is not a good general manager. You can follow in lock step with him all you want, some of us still think he's rubbish.
First of all, kiss my ***, I never said I was better fan then you nor did I imply it. Get the **** off your cross. Secondly, the problem with your premise, is that its 100% based on record, which doesn't prove if we've turned the corner or not. We could lose our next two games because of injuries or the refs blew a call, and those loses would have no bearing on our ability. But whatever man, pretend you're not being an effing pessimist then go ahead and make up insults that no one said. Its awesome.
Wouldn't this thread have been more appropriate before the Patriots game? Just by the nature of being 8-6, we are now in a situation very different from 2010. Worst case scenario between then and now is a difference of 1 win can result in drafting like 7-8 spots later (difference between getting Mike Pouncey or Robert Quinn and ending up with like Danny Watkins).
