Philbin as a coach of the year candidate.

No, I don't think Philbin deserves to be in that conversation at all. This isn't a particularly well-coached team- Pretty much every aspect of "coaching" has been done pretty poorly at some point or another, and there are some pretty consistent problems year-round that haven't really been mitigated very well.

Giving Philbin credit for handling the Incognito thing is baffling and misguided. The fact that it happened in his roster is a huge black mark, and I don't really understand why people treat it like it was something that was handled well- It wasn't. I don't think realistically there was any chance that the team could implode based on it, and frankly losing to the Buccaneers and then going back to business as usual is closer to the worst-case scenario than it was the best.

Tony Sparano was much more deserving of coach of the year in 2008, to put it in proper context.

 

I think Andy Reid has this locked up .

 

I think Philbin deserves to be in the conversation. He faced a really tough situation and was able to keep the team together. I think the Xs and Os have been a mixed bag. They came out flat against Tampa, which was horrid, but have generally been prepared. There were great halftime adjustments the first three games and then they were bad for a stretch. I've certainly questioned his use (and non-use) of some players, but I do think he's starting to learn some of the player's strengths and taking advantage of them. I don't think he deserves COY, but should be considered. I also think that he's improving as a coach and can be among the best in the very near future.

 

Yeah, he's done one of the best jobs this year IMO. Reid, Rivera are the other options. I expected 9-10 wins this year, but not while navigating through that **** show we endured. We've been down to the wire every loss but one also. While there have been points where I have been unhappy with coaching, ( mainly play calling, schemes, etc. ) I think we've been a well coached team and it shows... Least penalized team in the league, winning record for a perennially mediocre team facing new adversaties. Coach done pretty darn good so far, the decision hinges on these last two, and we can really open eyes should we get to the playoffs.

 

What exactly did they have to overcome with the Incognito/Martin situation?

There was no split or factionalism in the locker room. You didn't have active players under any sort of serious scrutiny. There have been no on-going developments which result in this being brought back up into the spotlight. There's no further bombshell, other than the initial one(of which the most direct, obvious effects appear to have resulted in the team ****ting the bed badly vs. the Bucs).

 

look what happened to you in the last few weeks/months....once you were one of the few supporters of this team, recently you are just the opposite...wtf happened ?

 

There are a few positives with this staff. Gameplans have actually been good IMO. They've managed to develop a few players as well. But there were times (not recently) where I thought the team didn't appear to be playing as hard as they could - TB being the primary example.

I don't think he should be in the consideration this season, but if the team performs next season like it has since the Cincinnati game, then I think he could be in the running.

 

The media, the fans, and two starting OLinemen disappearing after already having problems with your young QB being sacked as much as anyone and your team running into consecutive losses after starting the season good for a start.

 

John Madden (doesnt actually have a vote) gave him the nod over Reid.

 

why should reid automatically get it ??

I don't get that thinking. on paper it looks like they kind of made a big turnaround with him(their record) but really they had SIX pro bowlers last year.

they clearly had good players, but they just couldn't win games. I'm not gonna say Reid DOESN'T deserve it, but I don't think he should have it locked up.
and I certainly think that Philbin SHOULD be in the running as well.

Maybe Alex Smith should be a lock for MVP as well huh?

 

Absolutely deserves coach of the year consideration. IMO Andy Reid deserves the award. But Philbin maximized the talent on the roster to the fullest.

 

If they finish 10-6 Reid will be his only serious competition.

 

Yup, Look at Wallace's 2012 contract year with Big Ben as the primary target.
As far as Jordan, Philbin may not have maximized playing time for every individual player, but he maximized production at positions given what talent was available for the positions. Vernon has performed well.

 

Most of what you describe here is PR, not coaching.

 

Positive thought.

 

The coach had to deal with it all. Not something that just fixes itself or goes away.

Edit: Good thing the coach had enough depth to fill in the holes and pull of some wins.

 

Good thing it's a pr award. Otherwise belicheck deserves it by a mile.

I'd like to see chip Kelly personally. I think it's really impressive how he stepped in and really did something new in the nfl that a lot of people said couldn't be done.

 

I don't think there was anything unprecedented about this. Hell, it's not even the biggest NFL scandal of this year:

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=aaron hernandez, richie incognito, jonathan martin&cmpt=q

I don't think any of that was all that likely. At this point it's still unclear who is culpable or vulnerable to repercussion outside of Incognito, and the quick appointment of an independent investigation(which has nothing to do with Philbin) has quelled a lot of the potential issues.

 

That's two more names far more deserving than Philbin this year.

 

Philbin is a serious candidate for the honor and deservedly so.

It gets old coming on here and reading the same group of people *****ing about a WR that has changed the dynamic of this offense, and a coach that has turned a truckload of turmoil, into a team fighting for eachother.

A lot of half assed pathetic "Dolphins fans" around here.

 

Fixed.

 

Frankly with the pariah mentality of the media....its really the Wins that quelled it...moved it to a story that they OVERCAME....if LOSSES piled up, the crap would still be piling up.

 

You'd have to basically start screaming and wet yourself to display any more of a total inability to intellectually cope with ideas you don't like at this point.

PS- I'm a way better Dolphins fan than you are.

 

I don't see how this isn't just as off the field. If involved multiple players, sure.

It was way less of an "Dolphins vs. the World" thing than that, I think. There was a lot of people whom defended it as business as usual, it was pretty terrible.

 

Your saying that fiasco should have had no effect on the coaches ability to prepare ? Knowing that everyone had to take time out their preparations to answer to media, investigators, etc. ? Hmmmm. Ps.... Your not a better fan than any of us... Especially not with this whole anti Philbin agenda. Pretty lowsy actually. Sounding like a Firelander digging for negatives in appositive topic about our coach who really is in the running for COTY !

 

Nice deflection. Fact is you can call it what you want, but the few who insist on taking a negative approach then have the arrogance to claim they are just "realists" are the same group that doesn't deserve to enjoy this run.

Your own insecurities have forced you to try and set yourself up for a win-win situation with this team. Part of you is happy when we win, the other part feels vindicated when we don't.

If someone thinks Tannehill is not a franchise QB yet? That's their opinion, if they think Wallace has sucked? That's their opinion. But when it is the same jerkoffs who on a daily basis are negative about a team that has won 3 straight and has a very good chance to exceed everyone's expectations...to me you become a pathetic excuse for a fan.

We all have our gripes about the team in some area or another, but to harp on every negative topic you can get your hands on is a joke. Are YOU one of those guys??? Dunno.

And save it, you can claim to be a better fan than whoever you choose...it's unmeasurable and childish. Frankly something a pessimistic/self proclaimed realist would do. Enjoy subconsciously rooting for the Bills this week.

 

While I disagree, I can respect an opinion like that.

 

Who the hell have the chefs, igles beaten anyway ? Prob not Indy, Cincy, NE, Or any teams of that caliber.

 

We are not a well coached team and we are spectacularly slow adapting to change. How can he possibly be coach of the year?

 

Please elaborate on how we are not well coached.

 

Results, it's what matters...... If Miami finishes 10-6 he's sure to be considered.