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finally, some love for Jeff Ireland

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by the 23rd, Dec 20, 2013.

  1. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You could say the opposite but Reggie Bush probably has more elusiveness then Miller. Losing Long probably affects his past stats some. But would you argue Miller is better then Bush? Because thats essentially what this boils down to. He let Bush walk hoping miller was ready and Miller hasnt looked the part.
     
  2. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Right he said that after the draft, which was after the Brandt story had already leaked.

    EDIT: Have a good night and merry xmas (not in a smartass way).
     
  3. slickj101

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    Impossible to tell without Miller getting decent blocking. Idk how anyone can say Miller just hasn't looked ready with what he's had to work with.
     
  4. Anonymous

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    So I'm just supposed to believe the exaggerated statement you posted by Brandt but not believe Ireland?
     
  5. Boik14

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    I didnt post an exaggerated statement. I posted what Brandt's recap of the story was. Why would Brandt try and throw his friend under the bus like that? Anyway, Im going to bed.
     
  6. Anonymous

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    I've listened to the interview. It didn't go down the way you stated it did. That's what I meant by exaggerated.
     
  7. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    When has Jeff Ireland ever been trustworthy with what he says?
     
  8. WhiteIbanez

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    We'll see what Miller is made of today. Giving him a pass with the OL angle is boring.
    Lamar has to step up.
     
  9. slickj101

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    Some people feel that analysts should be taken at their word for whatever's reported.

    I don't get it either considering how many times the "best" reporters get it completely wrong. Schefter and his tales are just laughable.
     
  10. KB21

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    I'm really curious as to what personal gain Gil Brandt would have by lying about his call to Jeff Ireland?
     
  11. PhinsRDbest

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    the next dimension
    He's in the New World Order, of course.
     
  12. Anonymous

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    Using this logic, he was lying to Brandt when he said he didn't think Tannehill was special. He felt he was very special.
     
  13. rafael

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    My guess was that the decision to not resign Bush came from the coaches rather than the FO. My impression was that the coaches grew increasingly frustrated with his propensity for negative plays.
     
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  14. Anonymous

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    Blah, I read this wrong. Never mind. I don't think anyone said Brandt lied.
     
  15. rafael

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    I know that I started looking at Tannehill before Philbin/Sherman were hired after hearing reports that Miami was scouting him.
     
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  16. ToddPhin

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    So who we gonna be drafting with the #1 overall pick? Oh that's right- we're a strong contender for the playoffs. :001_rolleyes:
     
  17. slickj101

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  18. ToddPhin

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    No, Peter King does have a clue. Here he is telling the real story here:
    ....and I'm fairly certain it was mentioned that Ireland was sold on Tannehill so soon that the organization's biggest chore was trying to keep it a secret, which is likely why he initially downplayed his interest to Gil Brandt. I have an impossible time believing any GM with an extensive scouting background would put his career on the line b/c of something old man Gil "suggested to him". Brandt watches so much college football now that he listed Clowney and Morgan Breslin [USC] as his midseason All American defensive ends, which is a complete joke when they had 3 sacks between them at the time, plus Aaron Murray as his QB selection despite coming off his second loss of the season a few days prior.


    I got the complete opposite from it. Ireland clearly wanted Tannehill badly enough that he was willing to break protocol. Here's the quote from it:
     
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  19. slickj101

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  20. MrClean

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    So the Miami Dolphins have not had a good QB since 1993?
     
  21. MrClean

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    If we win the last two games. Everyone considering that a foregone conclusion apparently have forgotten 2009. 7-6 with 3 games left. Needed to win 2. Lost to the Titans who finished 8-8, Texans who finished 9-7, and Steelers, aslo finished 9-7. Had we won 2 of those games we go to the playoffs instead of the Jets, who finished 9-7, but whom we swept. Granted this is basically an entirely different roster, but it's not the only time with this team. I remember how excited Dolphans were in 1993 after the exciting Thanksgiving day win over Dallas. After that game, the Dolphins didn't win another, and Dallas didn't lose another. I have learned to never count your chickens before they're hatched with this team. I am going to root for them to win of course as always. But they need to show me they are a playoff team by actually getting there before I will consider them one. Even if the only things standing in the way are two worse teams on paper.
     
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  22. roy_miami

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    Really? Its "mind boggling" to you if somebody believes the guy with GM in his title is the one actually doing the GM'ing?

    OK, so his "first year" as official GM in 2011 what does he do? He basically stands pat after a losing season. BRILLIANT! Shockingly we started that season 0-7.

    Here's a fun fact: Since Ireland came here in 2008 our average offense rank over those 6 years is the worst in the teams history. Oh, he only took control in 2011? Well its even worse over those 3 years. He didn't really have control in 2011 either? Well its even worse over the last 2 years.

    You see? The "more" control he gets credit for the worse it gets for him.

    Here's his major blunder in 2013: We went into the season with $22 million in cap space. Why are we collecting interest on $22 million when we were a player or two from having a special season, like 13-3 with a first round bye type special? Its because Ireland didn't think we were ready to compete yet, he was willing to sacrifice a win or two now in order to go for the big hurrah next year. He misjudged. he misjudged the fact that this team was ready to win NOW. He also grossly misjudged just how terrible the o-line was and how important a decent o-line is to an inexperienced QB, if Tannehill is the next great QB our GM could have very well ruined him.
     
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  23. MrClean

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    Jake Long, Reggie Bush, Brian Hartline, Anthony Fasano, Randy Starks, Sean Smith, Chris Clemons. .
     
  24. gafinfan

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    Yes it is on Ireland when the players he demanded stay, rather than be cut or not drafted, are forced on a coaching staff rather than that staff being allowed the freedom to play those they feel are better. IF Martin doesn't walk and cogs stays because of Martin's inaction then the O line moves made by Philbin never happed and we, more than likely, do not go 4-1 over the last 5 games.
     
  25. jw3102

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    I would love to know who in the Dolphins organization you know, since you are so sure Ross will fire Ireland, even if this team makes it to the playoffs this year. As I have stated numerous times on this forum, I am no fan of Ireland and I wouldn't be upset at all if he is replaced, playoffs or not. I just don't see Ross firing Ireland if this team makes the playoffs this year.

    As far as Incognito is concerned. Right now we really don't know what the investigation is going to show in regards to who knew what and who was responsible. It may just be that Martin didn't have the emotional makeup to be an NFL player and this entire incident was overblown from the beginning. Hopefully the NFL investigation will give everyone a clearer picture of who was at fault in this matter.

    Also, according to the structure of the Dolphins at this time. Philbin reports directly to Ross and not to Ireland. So if he was really upset with the Incognito incident at the golf course and wanted to get rid of Incognito at that time. All he had to do was go to Ross and explain his reasons for wanting Incognito gone and Ross could have always overruled Ireland and forced Ireland to cut Incognito.
    Since Incognito remained on the team and was a starter when the season began, Philbin obviously wasn't as upset with the incident at the golf course as you seem to think he was.
     
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  26. Nappy Roots

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    Yea we already made the distinction that I highly ****ed up that argument.
     
  27. pmj

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    I understand there was a rumor about Philbin wanting Incognito gone, but are we really giving Philbin and co. A complete pass on the teams struggles, spefically the Oline? Philbin and Sherman both have Oline backgrounds, they couldn't see it wasn't working at all before it finally blew up? We were clamoring for something weeks before we finally got McKinnney and he was available before our bye week. Youre just assuming Ireland was blocking everything? How long did it take for former OC Philbin and his mentor Sherman to fkn roll out Tannehill? How long did run more when it was working? Mix up option runs?

    Again, I don't understand this complete lack of accountability on the coaching staff. They have been glacier slow to adjust, extremely hard headed and arrogant, and are a much bigger part of reason we have lost 6 games than any talent discrepancy.
     
  28. Den54

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    That was painful indeed. I do have fond memories of Steve Walsh slinging it around some.
     
  29. jw3102

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    At this point in the season, 22 out of the 32 teams in the NFL have lost at least six games. In fact most teams have lost more than six games this season. So based on your reasoning, most of the head coaches in the NFL are too hard headed and arrogant to adjust their thinking.

    The NFL is a league which values parity. Therefore teams are going to lose some games their fans expect them to win and win some games their fans are surprised to see them win. Philbin and his coaching staff have certainly made errors in coaching this year, but so has every other coaching staff in the NFL.

    I don't know if Philbin will turn out to be a very good HC or just a very mediocre HC over the long term. I do recognize that he is only in his second year as a head coach at any level and he is still learning on the job. That is to be expected. While the OL didn't play that well early in the season. The fact is that there really isn't a lot of talent on the OL and it isn't the coaching staff that picks this talent. Even with a below average OL, the Dolphins started the season 3-0 and now have a chance to to finish the season 10-6 and be one of only one of twelve playoff teams in the NFL this season.

    The fact is that coaches are always held accountable and that is why so many are fired after each season. Philbin and his staff will be judged after this season is over and if they fail to make the playoffs by losing one or both their remaining two games, he will receive much of the blame. He will also receive much of the credit if the they win their final two games and do end up in the playoffs.

    To continue to berate him for losses early in the season while the Dolphins have been playing their best football of the entire season at this time, makes no sense at all. Yes, he and his coaching staff have screwed up in some games this year, just as every other NFL coach has. It happens and when all is said and done, all that matters is whether or not the Dolphins end up in the playoffs this year.

    If blaming the coach for losing all those games makes you happy, so be it. I just don't think he told his kicker to go out and miss kicks, or the QB to throw interceptions, or players to fumble the ball, just so the other team would win the game. Sometimes the other team just plays better on a given day and your team doesn't win the game. Right now though, the Dolphins have won more games than they have lost this season and that is what matters. Let's just wait and see how the season turns out before we start placing blame for who didn't get the job done.

    I'm sure there were many fans who were upset with the Ravens head coach last year when they lost 6 games last year and 4 of their last 5 regular season games. Fans in Baltimore wanted to hold the coaches accountable and Harbaugh actually fired the OC during the season. Yet 6 losses, 4 of them coming in the final five weeks of the season didn't prevent the Ravens from going on a roll and winning the SB last year.
    I'm not predicting that the Dolphins will win the SB or even make the playoffs at this time. I would just like to see how the rest of the season ends for the Dolphins before I make any judgement of the job Philbin and his staff have done over the course of the 2013 season.
     
  30. Boik14

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    Ireland didn't listen to the coaches regarding Martin or Incognito so why would he start with Bush?
     
  31. Stringer Bell

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    This is extremely speculatory. The theory also has a pretty big hole in it considering Philbin refused to bench Martin, and instead benched Clabo.

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  32. RickyNeverInhaled

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    Hey Jeff Ireland, I love u man!
     
  33. PhinsRock

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    Rather "Dull" post :lol: if this team wins out and goes to the playoffs 10-6 you still feel that way? Nay I say, if we do that then you simply cannot ignore Ireland's job of putting these players together. I'm not an Ireland supporter, but not going to hate regardless of the outcome for crying out loud. I do give Philbin more credit for holding the team together through all the turmoil, and for the current winning ways, but to not even then be willing to credit Ireland is just blind hate IMVHO.
     
  34. Boik14

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    It's not speculation. Philbin had no other LT prospect to throw in there.
     
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  35. Stringer Bell

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    The coaches saying they could not have Martin be LT is extremely speculatory, both in occurance and degree. Further, Philbin still stuck with Martin when he could have benched him, after Mckinnie was acquired.

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    Again, you have no idea what Ireland was thinking and neither does anyone else. That's not being lazy it's being objective. Pre draft subterfuge is as old as the draft itself. And If Tannehill was a big time bust no one would want to hear excuses about how it wasn't Ireland's first choice or that Gil Brandt told him to.

    I must have missed McCoy being announced as HC, do you have a link for that? It's true, I don't have a dog in the fight. Make a thread about how Jeff Ireland is the omnipotent savior of the Dolphins and see how quick I'm there to call it BS.

    Parcells went for the quick fix. He brought in a slew of aging vets and topped it off with the worlds most fragile QB. That team won a few games but it wasn't set up to be a consistent winner. Ireland is taking a different approach, one that takes longer but also produces longer lasting success.

    This is a young team with lots of talent, a full slate of draft picks and plenty of cap space. I doubt even you would dispute that, but hate the GM.


    Ireland basically took a 1 and two 2s and flipped them into Odrick, Misi and Brandon Marshall. That's pretty damn good unless your name is Ireland and people are predisposed to hating you.

    Go ahead, whine, complain, critique, etc. You're moving further out into left field with each post and when Ireland is back again next year you'll be inventing even crazier rationales for why that is and spitting even more venom. Instead of just admitting you're wrong and moving on.
     
  37. GMJohnson

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    I like that term, extremely speculatory, my vocab is not as refined so I just say bullsh;!.
     
  38. Stringer Bell

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    What exactly is the evidence supporting the theory that Philbin was solely Ross' choice, and Ireland told McCoy he was hired?

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  39. roy_miami

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    Could be because he didn't have any options at right tackle either.
     
  40. rafael

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    My take on those is much different than yours. I took the conversations with Brandt to mean that Ireland had scouted RT before January, but was only lukewarm on him and sometime after that decided he was the guy. Ireland was so excited by RT that he hoped Brandt hadn't talked him up to anybody else b/c Ireland was worried that the price would climb even higher (.ie somebody would take him even higher than 8). In fact, Ireland liked RT so much that he wanted him even though he didn't have the number of starts Ireland likes to see. I don't see it as a situation where Ireland almost didn't take him, but rather one where RT was clearly the guy he wanted b/c some other aspects of his personality or game were so good that you ignored the number of starts item on your checklist. That actually mirrors my evaluation arch on RT. Scouting him the previous season, I thought RT had the elite physical skills but I wasn't sure if he had "it". He didn't seem to have that knack to pull out wins. Compare that to a guy like Wilson, whom I thought had "it" upon my first viewing. But as I watched RT his second season I found myself seeing the little nuances in his game that weren't there that previous year. That's what convinced me that RT worth the #8 pick. It wasn't until that second year that I became one of RT's biggest proponents on this board.
     

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