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Seven sacks, 14 yards rushing

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by PhinGeneral, Dec 22, 2013.

  1. finwin

    finwin Active Member

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    What? Moore had two completions and two interceptions. I'd be surprised if he's with the team next year after that performance. He came in with plenty of time to put up 14 pts and lots of 2nd QB's come in that situation and claim jobs, but you're happy with 2 completions 2 ints and 2 incompletions??? GRRRRRR Moronic waste of time
     
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  2. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I again refer to coaching. O'keefe our receivers coach is in his first year. He does however have a impressive college record as a head coach. He also has a 2 yr career in College back in the early 70's. How that translates into teaching professional's the game of football at a particular position is debatable. Seems as if it would breed mediocrity. JMO
     
  3. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    This game was a perfect display of being thoroughly outcoached on the offensive side of the ball.

    Everyone knew this was a great matchup for Buffalo given the fact that our OL has not been good this year. It needed just a little scheming against Buffalo's exceptional defensive front that I just didn't see. It's like we ran the same offense we would've run against Dallas.

    Minimal screens, the abandoment of the run. Little play action fakes out from under center. Little roll outs. Little read-option. Literally almost nothing to contain Buffalo's biggest strength.

    I'm simply baffled. And the refusal to adjust in-game is nothing short of stubborness. Like, did Sherman think what couldn't produce a first down would just eventually work, because well....it will just have to eventually?!
     
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  4. KeyFin

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    So a guy who comes in cold, with no reps in practice for the past 3 months, throws a PERFECT 45+ yard pass to hit a streaking receiver on the money. Tannehill gets 100% of the practice reps every week, has started all year, and he's never once figured out how to throw that pass accurately to Hartline or Wallace.

    Tannehill has 82 yards on the day and a 37% completion rate, Moore has 53 yards with a 33% completion rate. Moore has 2 picks, Tannehill has 10 punts. Overall, Moore basically matches Tannehill despite only being on the field for about 3 minutes.
     
  5. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Fair and I respect your opinion. I have never said it is all on coaching. All I was hoping was for some of you guys to have an open mind and really take a look at the coaching team assembled. Like the talent, and in my opinion much worse, it is very raw. Our coaches are very inexperienced, most of them have no experience at all. I don't believe you can lead inexperienced players with inexperienced coaching. How much of the coaching decisions Ireland made is debatable. I mean yes you can lead them, but expecting better then what we got is reaching. I applaud the youth. Heck our QB coaches are 30 and 33 respectively. Just not sure why we would lead Tannehill that way. Really it is a testament to how good this kid could possibly be. If he was learning from a vet the sky would be the limit. let's hope he gets some of that help in the off season.
     
  6. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    coaching

     
  7. bg34

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    I love how after every loss, it's because Tannehill sucks or "he isn't our guy". 2nd yr guy, getting KILLED every game due to no o-line.. yet still has gotten us into playoff contention. Who led back to back GW drives vs. Pitt and NE? smh.
     
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  8. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It was like they thought that all of a sudden these plays would start to work...eventually...somehow. Stubborness nails it...No Roll outs...A draw or a screen to beat a blitz. What was the plan when Buffalo blitzed....still waiting for an answer. Why would they stop when you never tried to counter it? I swear, all the pictures that Tannehill looked at on the sidelines might as well have been the comics
     
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  9. finwin

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    Tannehill had several drops, and an 8 and a 6 yard rusher. The fact that he didn't turn the ball over, is a testimant to his growth but he has to have some help from his OL and OC.
     
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  10. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    This was really really funny
     
  11. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Tannehill also had 2 balls that should have been picked and 15 passes that were over/under thrown. He also scrambled on a 3rd and 2 with nobody in front of him, yet he threw a missle to a covered Hartline in the rain....that's a testament to his lack of growth.

    Speaking of rushing, we ran close to a dozen read-option plays and the DE was crashing down HARD on Thomas all day long. It's a basic, basic play...if the end goes for the RB, Tannehill is supposed to go off tackle and take off. He didn't do this once...so there's your 8 and 6 yard rushers for you. They didn't get anything on those plays because the "all-star" QB blew the read every time.
     
  12. ToddPhin

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    I agree, it was a very bad day for Hartline. Slows down by a beaver hair on the deep ball and it bounces uncontestedly off his shoulder, thus potentially altering the game.

    It is nearly impossible, especially when the QB isn't hastening a throw behind shoddy protection. That's why the score is like 15 underthrows to 2 overthrows with a guy who can throw the ball 70 yards in the air, duh........... with the other overthrow coming during a busted play where Wallace turned north and was only like 25 yards downfield when the ball was released. Wallace would've needed to be on a Ducati to guarantee a non overthrow from that distance.

    It's always amusing when the exception to the norm occurs and someone jumps up to treat the norm as if it's a fallacy. What's next, are you gonna suggest Larry English is the Sultan of Sack just b/c he notched a half one today?
     
  13. finwin

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    They didn't look like Read option plays. Even if Thill had kept the ball, the DL was 2 yards in our backfield and Thill would have gone down as well. Buffalo played 11 men at the line half the game, and 2/3rd of the OC's in this league beat it. Ours stubborn jack a$$ OC and our hack OL did not when Thill was in the game and when Moore threw his 6 passes that you're so fond of.
     
  14. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    Russell Wilson had almost as bad a game for Seattle today. Probably isn't their guy, either.
     
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  15. NyPhinfan

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    Maybe someone should have taken a picture of the DB from Buffalo who kept on blitzing from the same side over and over again and noone would bother to block him. That might have been helpful to view. they looked befuddled and lost and looked like they did not want to come out from under those jackets all day
     
  16. Silverphin

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    Let's not forget that Matt Moore threw an interception the next play.

    Edit: And let's not forget, up until that point, Brian Hartline's play was on Todd Pinkston status.
     
  17. MAFishFan

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    7 sacks. 6 1st downs. All in all a horror show. Felt like a trap game and lookie here. Matt Moore. Stop. Just stop. Your devotion is cute though.
     
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  18. GMJohnson

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    Somewhat off topic but has Wallace run a post route this season? Has anyone?
     
  19. Limbo

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    Not sure how often the route is actually run. But it is a throw Tannehill has struggled with.

    On a different note...Good Lord do we need an actual feature back behind Tannehill.
     
  20. 77FinFan

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    Jesus that was pissing me off. First, Tanny should be able to see that coming and second can no one make an adjustment to counter that blitz? Same damn thing time after time. Gah!!!!!
     
  21. Silverphin

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    Sad part about it was, Tannehill even pointed it out. On the field. Tannehill was all alone out there.
     
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  22. GMJohnson

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    Lmao I didn't want to say it but yeah, they were lookin like they rather be anywhere other than at the stadium today. Meanwhile it was mid 60s in Baltimore smh.
     
  23. KeyFin

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    So Tannehill has NEVER, EVER EVER thrown a deep pass to Hartline or Wallace and hit them in stride, yet we still hear people faulting the receivers? It would seem that he'd have to complete at least one so you'd have your darn exception....
     
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    Just thought I'd check...

    Yup, everyone blaming Tannehill.
     
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    I'm embarrassed tbh, if I were Ross, I'd have a nice pork BBQ and fire a slew of people

    Looking at you Ireland, looking at you Turner

    I'd clip your ***, and have a nice mojito and a pulled pork sammy
     
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  26. Rocky Raccoon

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    Not true, just the usual suspects.

    The entire offense was atrocious today. A-TRO-CIOUS. From the coaches to the players. Brian Hartline played the worst game he's ever played in his life.
     
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  27. dolfan22

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    Mentally and physically and to show substantial improvement as well.

    But of course some believe he is the reason for all losses. Tomorrow he'll be perfect.
     
  28. Coloradotrv

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    Holding up the way he did and has is impressive. The fact that he just now got hurt is miraculous. That game should let the O-line know that every single one of them is playing for their jobs next week. Games like that come down to a lack of will and a lack of pride. O-line was disgraceful. Worst I have ever seen. That corner blitz, I thought tannehill was done for after that hit.
     
  29. Da 'Fins

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    There really is no strong argument here. Just blame. The reality is, the OL does not hold blocks on passing downs and is not opening holes. Sure there are some breakdowns in coaching. But, fundamentally, the talent is suspect. There are plenty of teams that have been effective without doing anything special. They just build a strong OL and physically dominate. Or they are finesse but know how to block.

    Fundamentally the dolphins need 4 new o-linemen. They might get away with adding 2-3 IF they are really good ones. Before the season began many realized this was the Achilles heal. I wrote that the whole year would hinge on this and it is true.

    Sure, coaching has an impact. But the reality is, coaching systems are over rated. It helps and I stilling confidence is a big deal. But you need players and Miami does not have them on the OL. Just look at the OL decisions by Ireland the last several years. Pretty pitiful.
     
  30. Disgustipate

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    You can mitigate talent issues. I listed the ways in which that can be done, and noted that they have not done any of those things to any meaningful extent.

    Are you arguing that you can't mitigate talent? Are you arguing that they have actually done those things and they haven't worked?

    'cause if not, what you're saying there about "no strong argument" is ironic to say the least.
     
  31. Ducken

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    I am still not convinced that we are poor at the RB position. I don't think we have seen the best of Lamar yet. Sure his blocking leaves a lot to be desired, but his running ability I still think could be very good. Shine the way the Oline played yesterday if we had Barry and Emmitt we may have gotten 34 yds rushing. And this drivil being spewed about Tanny is pure nonsense. This game falls squarely on the coaches and Oline. And to a lesser degree the D.
     

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