can we please stop making excuses for Ireland now

Lord baby Jesus, lying there in all your wonderment and splendor..

 

It's a Christmas Miracle!

 

But its Parcels fault for the things that happened years ago and its Philbin's fault now, don't you read these threads?

 

Kids on Christmas..... Good grief.

 

But he drafted Koa Misi

 

Good stuff right there ! Keep it comin !

 

Ireland is a bad face of the franchise but please for the love of god stop acting like everything he has done has been horrible. We have one of the best and deepest defensive lines in the league. We actually have a pretty damn good secondary that he is mostly responsible for finding acorns with 2 late round guys who are starting at safety and a 5th round pick that is getting significant time at corner in Nolan Carroll and Dmitri Patterson was a pretty good addition last year.

The linebackers are obviously absolutely piss poor and that is his fault, i will give you that. The play out of those 2 have been completely unacceptable but to ignore all the positive talent he has put around this team is stupid.

He has given us our franchise QB and that seems pretty apparent at this point./ He finally had the balls out of all our decision makers since Marino retired to take a QB in the first round.

So much is made of his drafting but if you ask me it has been pretty damn solid, especially finding late round impact players which is exactly what you need if you want to build a team with depth. Since 2010 we have found a ridiculously good amount of late round picks that are making a terrific contribution. Miller, Matthews, Clay, Jimmy Wilson, Rashad Jones, Chris Clemons, Hartline are 7 guys drafted in the 4th round or later that are starters or play a significant role. That is good drafting, every team makes mistakes. Hell go look at the patriots drafting record the last 5 years. The reason everyone thinks they are so good is because they somehow load up with tons of early picks every year. Yes, we have made several bad picks but name me a team that hasn't.

Overall as far as the team itself I think Ireland has built a solid team that is capable of contending as well as having good building blocks for the future. We have what it take to win, Franchise QB and ability to get a great pass rush as well as a shut down CB and capable secondary.

Obviously I will give you that our offensive line is absolutely pitiful and that does fall on him but I would give him another year to rebuild it as well as rebuild the linebacking core and see where we are next year with another year of development for Tannehill as well as Dion Jordan taking on a bigger role.

All this aside, I would completely understand firing him because he is an awful face of the franchise and doesn't seem to quite get this point, but to act as if his personnel choices have been completely awful and the team is a complete disaster is just not true.

 

Aquafin. You just never get it and you never will. You show me a GM candidate as good as one in Seattle and San Francisco and I'd be the first one to lineup and kick Ireland out the door. they don't grow on trees. The vast majority of NFL teams, probably 25/32 teams have a very similar talent base. A few are superior, like Seattle and San Fran, a few are worse - Jets, Jax. but the rest are about the same. there are very few great teams anymore, which means the parity translates into an even distribution of talent. Sucks that we got swept by Buffalo, but we also beat Indy, Cincy, Pittsburgh and New England. I'm sure there fans were mad as hell that they lost to us.

I've been saying Ireland is mediocre for years, but so are the majority of GMs out there. Most teams have the same lack of depth that we do. If you get your head out of your arse, you'd see that. Doesn't mean we shouldn't upgrade at GM. We should replace Ireland, and we're overdue to do so. but odds are, we end up with someone who isn't much better and then we can start right over with all the whining by the Fireland fans all over again.

 

...in your tuxedo.




I like to picture him in a tuxedo!

 

Ireland can't even get a reprieve from the hate on Christmas.

 

Again, I think the only opinion that matters of Jeff Ireland is Joe Philbin. He should decide his fate moving forward.

 

That should give you a clue as to how much the fan base hates him.

And he shouldn't get a reprieve. It needs to be relentless and the ownership needs to hear it, until he comes to his senses and finally saves his own franchise. He'll be able to make so much more money.

 

It gives me a clue about some of the fan base for sure.

 

Err. 49ers are a bad example. The guy who put that together got fired and it took what...5 years and then another GM to top it off and a very good coach.

But then I am still fully on the blow it up bandwagon of GM/Coaches and most of our defense. Our best players are all over 30 (Wake/Starks/Grimes)....questionable young talent on defense along with some bad contracts.

We need someone to come in and broaden Tanny's growth beyond Sherman, fix the OL and get a physical back. And someone to take us back to the 3-4 on defense and sort out the LB's.

 

I just decided this year that Ireland needs to go. The mess at OL is the main problem. Once you get THAT QB, you HAVE to protect him to keep him healthy. Even though he has signed some good players, he hasn't been sucessful building the OL. That is a foundation of a great team, along with DL and QB.
And Fins104- giving him another year to redo the LB's is a dream. He just DID that. He isn't going to cut them and start over again. This LB group will be here for a while, IMO. We have to live with that also.

 

I completely understand firing Ireland at this point, don't get me wrong. I just think it is ridiculous to say that he has not put together a good amount of talent and depth on this team.

I think the Lb's will come to be his undoing here. This is a top 5 defense if we kept the linebackers from last year. Even when the signings were made it was clear Phillip Wheeler isn't great. My preference was always Jimmy Smith from the Jaguars but the ravens snatched him up. He was the number 1 4-3 OLB in the NFL in 2011 and was hurt all of last year. He would have been my choice and i said so at the time. Also I didn't think Dansby made enough plays but he was still grading out on PFF very well.

I think for next year our defense definitely suits a 3-4 much better. Soliai at NT, ODrick finally plays the position he was drafted for at DE and starks on the other end with Jordan and Wake as the OLB and vernon picking his spots, Ellerbe as an ILB and Wheeler as far away from miami as possible.

 

Scot McCloughan resigned. Either way, he did a great job of getting high level players in there. McCloughan drafted Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, Joe Staley, Michael Crabtree, and Frank Gore. Miami does not have a young nucleus of talent like that. Jeff Ireland has not drafted a single player that is the caliber of any of these players.

 

See you on Sunday after it happens.

 

Sweep Rex in his swan song game?

 

Another Ireland thread? Awesome, we need more of these.

 

Well, if the guy had done a good job, there wouldn't be a need for multiple threads about him.

 

Well we all know if a certain something happened there would be less of them.

 

Resigned/fired. Same deal. Point is it still took a lot of years and many high picks. Then it took another GM and a good coach to get it to work. This fan base/media wouldn't have the patience.

We got some pieces on both sides of the ball but we need that GM/Coaching staff that will make the hard choices and clean up what needs to be cleaned.

 

Promise me you guys will stick around to make more threads about him next season.

 

Who is this magic guy out there who'll definitely take the job and definitely make us better? For the record, I'd understand his sacking but also his keeping.

 

Well right now he ranks in the bottom third of GM's out there despite having an owner that will let him throw money around. So yes it shouldn't be 'that' hard to improve on him.

 

Really? Mike Pouncey is far better than 3/5 of those players and arguably as good or better than Staley.
Furthermore, Crabtree is not in the same class as the others. Certainly not better than Tannehill

 

Ryan Tannehill, Charles Clay, Brian Hartline and Mike Pouncey quit the team? Link?

 

This is a classic case of overrating your current talent and downgrading someone else's talent.

You know who Charles Clay is on the 49ers? He's what Delani Walker was. He would not start over Vernon Davis.

Crabtree has 12 more TDs and 19 more receptions than Brian Hartline despite the fact that Brian has played almost a full season more than Crabtree.

Joe Staley currently has a 28.1 grade from PFF, which has him as the 4th highest rated tackle in football. Mike Pouncey has a 9.9 rating, which has him as the 10th highest rated center in football.

 

Evaulating your roster by who they are on another team in another scheme just seems like stacking the deck against common sense. Michael Crabtree and Brian Hartline aren't even the same type of receiver. Why don't you compare Crabs to Mike Wallace...who just so happens to be a Miami Dolphin. But no....he did that when he was on the Steelers......well you can't really use that argument if we are comparing players across schemes and surrounding personnel. I'm not a fan of Ireland.....but you're all over the place with this one.

 

Pouncey, that's it. Ryan is developing and looks like a keeper. Less Buffalo and more NE performances and we got a good'un.

The rest meh. Clay is exceeding expectations but you're not comparing him to Vernon Davis! Hartline is thriving in this system but honestly, Crabtree vs. Hartline straight up. are you keeping Hartline?

 

Just my opinion, but I think it's fair to put Jake Long in there on Irelands side. There is no way to know a guy will have a problem staying healthy. He was a top notch LT until he started having injury problems.

 

You mean in there , as a plus?

Sure , if you want to do that , count him as a positive , I mean #1 overall picks shouldn't pan out to be consistent pro bowlers , on your roster.

 

The draft is a crap shoot even at #1. However I don't know if Long was a Parcels or Ireland pick. Because of that I can't assign credot or blame.

 

You think number one overall can be considered a crap shoot?

I would never want a GM that would believe that or tell the fans that .

Sure injuries may happen etc. but the number one pick overall pretty much better be a perennial pro bowler , at worse.

 

Yet you still end up with a lot of players like Jamarcus Russell, David Carr, etc.

Its your best % chance In the crap shoot, but its still a gamble that can fail.

 

It's not a comparison of the personnel like for like. It's stating, Miami has a young nucleus too. You can't discount what Miami has just because SF has a good team. Based on career production Wallace > Crabs.

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You missed the part where the discussion started with draft picks.

Our nucleus<their nucleus most people would agree.

I'd take Tanny over Kaep though.

 

What very good GM's made those decisions?