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****The Official 2013-14 NBA Thread****

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  1. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    They can't have lost those specific first round picks (unless they are using someone else's at times), because you can't go back to back drafts without a first rd pick. Stepien rule is what it is called I believe (I may have spelled it wrong).
     
  2. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    They may as well call it the Dolan Rule. You cant lose back to back 1st round picks under this CBA. The Hawks have pick swap rights in 2014 or 15 but the Nets will have a 1st in those years. http://www.hoopsworld.com/brooklyn-nets-team-salary

    Its also a secondary reason theyre considering eliminating the draft lottery: http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-t...ng-good-bye-to-the-lottery-hello-to-the-wheel <----I actually really like this. Its almost Dolan proof. Its good for big market teams who know how to not make idiotic free agent signings and can help bail out teams that do (Looking at you Knicks).
     
  3. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    There are people on this site saying we won't make the playoffs which is absurd due to the low bar set by the competition. If you had actually read the back and forth you would have understood and I have never said we would finish under 500.
     
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  4. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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  5. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    38 year old Ray Allen throws down a one handed reverse dunk. League is doomed lol.
     
  6. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    You'd be okay with the Heat getting the #1 pick next season?
     
  7. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Well the Nets will still have a pick in 2015, it will just be Atlanta's pick since Atlanta has the right to swap. This year's Nets/Hawks pick goes to the Celtics. Celtics can swap 2017 picks but they get the Nets pick in 2016 and 2018. Considering the Nets are nearly guaranteed to be terrible for the foreseeable future, giving up top 5 picks for non-lottery picks for a very overrated Joe Johnson with an awful contract is lulz worthy. And then they're going to give up 3 more, plus another swap to a likely playoff team for the corpses of Pierce, KG, and Terry. Of course this is coming from the same idiot that traded for the corpses of Chris Webber, Glenn Robinson, and Jamal Mashburn.
     
  8. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Not disagreeing that those trades were awful, they were.
     
  9. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    So, how many more players is Lebron James going to violate this year?
     
  10. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It wont happen until all outstanding trades are done with. So its a good 5-7 years away (minimum) but at least its a good idea.
     
  11. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I think its great if you're in a FA market that can attract players. For mid market teams I'm not sure how it works.
     
  12. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It works because theres still a salary cap. It also works because the common belief in the NBA is that you either have to be all in or in tank mode and that the worst place to be stuck is in the middle (i.e. late lottery, early round exit playoff team etc). This allows teams that will be stuck in that middle to maybe have the right pick at the right time. The way its drawn up every team gets to pick in every draft slot over the 30 year time frame. But its drawn up in such a way that every team has a top 5 pick at least once every 5 years. So say youre a team like Chicago who by all accounts has had a good team the last 3 years and really lacked a secondary scorer right? Well under the current system, you know as well as I do that they arent finding an immediate superstar at pick 27 or something but what if that year they fell in the top 5 or top 10 where those impact players usually are? What if OKC had a top 5 pick in this past draft and had been in a spot to grab Nerlens Noel? Thus it helps everyone except those teams who are looking to spend as little as possible with the hope they can field a competitive team. It encourages financial commitment while still holding idiots like James Dolan accountable because of the salary cap.
     
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  13. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Have you watched the nets this year or are you going off of last year? Joe johnson is arguably the team's mvp this year. We'll see how the season unfolds but if he continues to play the way he has its not as bad a trade as you think it is
     
  14. Clipse

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    Call him an MVP all you want, but having a 16.5 PPG scorer who plays little defense as your MVP is probably the reason the Nets are terrible. Did I mention you're paying this guy the 4th highest salary in the entire NBA? The Nets are trading a very high pick in a loaded draft and another likely lottery pick next year for this. One of the worst trades in the last 20 years easily.
     
  15. LiferYank

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    Interesting proposal but your article didnt mention one thing unless i missed it. With the "wheel" system the league would be locked into 30 teams pretty much forever.. No expansion and no contraction....
     
  16. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    Nah.

     
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  17. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    You did miss it, they just didn't explain in detail what happens in those cases.
     
  18. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    The draft wheel is a horrible idea. This tanking thing is incredible overblown. Rebuilding is not tanking. Teams are just supposed to say **** it and make ****ty moves and stay mediocre forever? It's comical. Even funnier when some of these tanking teams like the Suns are having good seasons while the Nets, Knicks, and Cavs suck. Where was all the *****ing for the colts tanking for Luck...
     
  19. jpep13

    jpep13 Coach Of The Year Club Member

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    Alright Heat! Just got back from the game. Happy holidays, great win
     
  20. Not So Fast

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  21. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If you think Joe Johnson has been more important to the Nets success or been better the Brook Lopez was then you really havent watched a Nets game all year. Stats be damned Brook had been playing the best ball of his career. Hes been by a landslide the Nets most indispensable player. They may still make the playoffs because the east is terrible but with Brook theyre actually a threat to win a round depending on who they matchup with. Without him....not happening barring miracles or collapse.

    The tanking thing is not overblown and it also depends on your definition of tanking. There is a common, and correct, belief in NBA circles that you do not want to be in the middle of the pack. You either want to be at the top or at the bottom and in line for the best talent. Yet Dallas and Indiana are two great examples of teams that went from the middle to the elite but most teams would rather go championship or bust type of philosophies. Theyre too focused on building dynasties and trying to be the next Celtics, Lakers, Heat type team instead of just getting 1 and being a great team for an extended stretch like Dallas or Detroit (during their Billups-Hamilton years).

    What the draft wheel does is eliminate the opportunity to tank and you now have to learn how to build a better team. It will force the use of advanced stats so that youre not wrapped up in terrible long term contracts because without the promise of high picks coming your way, you must make good basketball and cap decisions instead of just business decisions that getting a player is a must. As an aside it might create a caste system more so then there already is. The star caliber guys will always get paid. But imagine being an aging team like Dallas and then its your turn to draft 1st. All of sudden getting Dirk a 2nd championship might be feasible if things fall right. Or if youre the Spurs injecting your team with another high level young player. Conversely if youre a team like the Clippers were, a team who routinely failed to make smart draft picks and bad signings for years youre going to take a hit financially. Same for the Knicks.

    Also the Suns never went in to "tank mode". Their GM is and has been deadset against it since Boston failed so miserably at it in front of his own eyes. He said the same thing in this article http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....7-draft-taught-suns-gm-not-to-tank-for-picks/ at the end of last year as well.
     
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  22. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I think the wheel is a pretty good idea personally.
     
  23. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    My problem with the wheel Is middle market teams being able to contend with middle of the round picks and no ability to lure FA's.
     
  24. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Welcome to every single professional team sport with a draft. This wheel kills any chance of any parity in the league and pretty much eliminates every small market team from being able to compete. Just LOL at the idea of a team getting a top 5 pick and then back to back to back bottom 15 picks. Great way to build a team that is. I feel bad for any team that has to draft before a team like the Lakers. Might as well throw the pick in the garbage because any prospect worth a damn will just stay another year in college. It's such a horrible idea to fix a non-existent problem, I'd like to think there's no possible chance of it happening. It's not the teams fault you need a superstar to win anything meaningful in the NBA just like it's not the team's fault you need a superstar QB to win anything meaningful in the NFL. The NBA needs to stop blaming a non-existent tanking problem, and look at it's own ****ty policies that lead to no parity in the league.
     
  25. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Thats just not true at all. We see football and hockey teams make "the jump" from mediocre or barely in the playoffs to championship games/series all the time. Especially in team sports like football and hockey where lower ranked seeds routinely make title games and win championships over the last decade or so. The wheel creates parity by equally distributing draft pick slots and its going to force those middle and small market teams to spend money in order to compete. That means revenue sharing has to be on a more equal footing like it is in the NFL where parity is a way of life. The NBA does have some crappy policies and even worse officiating but the wheel wouldnt be one of those problems.
     
  26. rafael

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    I like the wheel concept. It basically gives every team the periodic chance to land a superstar. Having a superstar is the key to not only having a chance to build a contender, but also to more TV/national exposure and increased jersey/merchandise sales. Look at a team like Cleveland. They got lucky and had the pick when Lebron came out and they were relevant and a contender for a while. I doubt I'd even remember there was a team in Cleveland if the Lebron years had never happened. Obviously the superstar may choose to leave for a big market team when eligible for FA, but the small or middle market team has a better chance to retain him than if he were never on the team. I also see the wheel as meaning teams don't have to be craptastic to get a pick like that (like Cleveland was). A team that has been decently managed, well coached and able to attract some FAs, but just never had that superstar to get them over the top could end up with the top pick in the right year. It also eliminates the incentive for tanking or the perception that a team would tank whether people believe it happens or not. The whole point is that the wheel disperses more of the top 5 picks around the league. That just increases the odds that the superstars that so often come from those top 5 will also be dispersed around the league.
     
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  27. Stringer Bell

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    I like the wheel concept, but Miami should get half the spots on the wheel :yes:
     
  28. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    There is also the ability for large market teams like LA or Miami being able to use it as a tool to recruit.

    "Hey Kevin Durant your contract is up and we have the #1 pick next season with an already solid roster"
     
  29. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Is it safe to say that Miami kicking Laker *** is a Christmas tradition? God Knows LA wont be playing Miami in the Finals anytime soon.
     
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  30. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    That same strategy would help small or mid market team recruit.
     
  31. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    And the NBA isn't the NFL. Mediocre teams don't become great and teams don't become great from one draft pick unless you're lucky like Lebron Cavs and Iverson Sixers. A team misses on their top pick which is happening all the time these days and they're doomed to suck for years. That's the problem we have now, and this draft wheel only makes the problem worse. The problem is there is a staggering amount of awful front offices. Maybe the NBA should make a rule that idiots like King and Dolan aren't allowed to make personnel moves.


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  32. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I really don't think the pull would be equal.
     
  33. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    True but how is that different then a team like Miami emptying their cap to sign LBJ, Bosh and Wade or any team plotting to make cap space to add a superstar? Its not. That will happen in any format unless either athetes stop acting like primadonnas or we stop enabling them as a society.

    I agree with you regarding the front office situations. There are definitely some dumb ones; unfortunately my teams owner is one of them.

    What youre saying about mediocre teams going from good to great just isnt true. I gave you a few examples in recent years with the Mavs, the Pacers making the jump from good to an elite team (being blocked basically by Miami and not much else), etc. Those are just two examples in recent years. It doesnt happen every season but when you keep adding pieces every year you hope to make the jump from good to elite and it happens sometimes.

    The draft wheel encourages parity but it also will leave the bad teams in the dust if they make poor roster management decisions. But it is in theory a fairer way to disperse picks and to create a level playing field.
     
  34. Clipse

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    The only fair way is to give the worst team the best pick. Get rid of the lottery entirely and give me an NFL style draft. Teams should be encouraged to rebuild. Rebuilding is not tanking, whatever that is.
     
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  35. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Andrew Bynum needs to go away.
     
  36. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    Good win for Miami. No Bron and the back end of a b2b @ Portland.
     
  37. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Dammit the knicks suck again. :(
     
  38. PhinsPhan11

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    Not our problem anymore.
     
  39. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I missed the game but it looks like Bosh was in sniper mode. Good to see from him. Hes been a lot more aggressive this season.
     
  40. MikeHoncho

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    Makes too much sense. We will have none of it.

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