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Double Coverage: Jets at Dolphins

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by xphinfanx, Dec 26, 2013.

  1. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    We SHOULD beat this team, it's the NFL...the Dolphins aren't even close to being able to overlook anyone. People expecting blowouts need a reality check, other fans predicting a loss quite humerous. Want to argue for the sake of arguing I'm guessing.

    It's not taboo to be pessimistic with this football team, but to pretend it's anything more than some gut feeling we lose is also funny. There is really no plausible evidence that suggests we will lose this game.

    Again. The guys who really know football have Miami winning by more than a FG....and they eat some of this worthless data for breakfast.
     
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  2. GMJohnson

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    We have skull drugged the Jets twice in a row for anyone who's counting.

    Im not not saying we are vastly superior to then on the whole but Mano a Mano there's really not much they can do vs us. They know it, we know it, Vegas knows it too. I doubt it'll look anything like the last game but the end result will be no different.
     
  3. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Accuscore has this as a 10 point spread...miami. I agree.
     
  4. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    I think to make case for the jets is damn near ridiculous and ignores the invention of the calculator.

    Last time the dolphins were this large a statiscal superior was vs. The raiders last year..next time...the browns this year...next time...the jets this year...

    I expect a beatdown. Anything less is a fireable offense.
     
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  5. ckparrothead

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    It took me 40 posts of the following thread before I saw any RATIONAL reasons Miami might lose the Buffalo game to be expressed in writing. A full 40 posts until rdhstlr23 talked about Lewis' ability with the read-option in a weather-afflicted game.

    Elsewise everything was either Dolphins should win, or the battered spouse type stuff.

    Fast forward to the end of the thread for no shortage of people who fully believed Miami would go 2-0 in the final two games.

    http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?80035-EJ-Manuel-out-this-Sunday-Thad-Lewis-is-in
     
  6. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    But...here's what I don't understand. Your a Phins fan. And yet..you spend the better part of your time....presenting to everyone why you think the Phins will lose. Its almost like you get some amount of..satisfaction or something. I don't get it. I mean...yeh..as a fan I want the team to win that badly. Dont you?

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  7. vt_dolfan

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    So? What is your point? Yeh..we expected the Phins to win. We are fans..not..NFL analysts. We dont have to be objective. I suppose you were one of the few minority that saw us losing. Well..congrats. We lost.

    But we aren't losing to the Jets.

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  8. Anonymous

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    http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?79970-Official-Bad-***-Dolphins-vrs-Bills-thread

    In that thread, there were 3 posters in the first page alone expressing that they were worried about Buffalo. Keep reading through the thread, and you'll see more posters expressing that they are worried. Related back to the weather and defense. Those were legitimate worries. I don't see any when it comes to the Jets. Like Section said, if we lose, you fire everyone.
     
  9. Fin-Omenal

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    The agenda is to pretend to be more of a realist than a silly dreaming fan like you, ha! Dolphins beating the Jets?? Never happen!
     
  10. Loyal Fin

    Loyal Fin Business as usual

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    Just a fyi for those who are bringing vegas' numbers into this. Jets opened as 7 point unnderdogs, bettors have wagered on the Jets enough that the spread is now +5.5

    Doesnt mean much, just sayin'.

    I'm a huge believer in motivation and emotion in sports...Jets will definetely come to play. We all remember how Tony Sporano's team rallied around him when his job was on the line.....it'll be interesting to see how a Philbin-led team reacts to being on the ropes.
     
  11. Fin-Omenal

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    Luckily im in the camp that is ok woth winning the game by a FG.

    And honestly most of the time those ra ra speeches are only effective for THAT game. Im thinking (hoping) they blew their wod.

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  12. ckparrothead

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    Because I happen to think they're going to lose this one.
     
  13. rdhstlr23

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    I mean I don't see the issue with CK's reasoning. They're pretty solid reasons.

    I don't agree with them. I think this is a game Miami will win.

    My biggest fear is that I think the Jets coaching staff will do a better job the 2nd time around, than we will.

    I don't believe in this staff to make any adjustments. I mean we didn't against the Pats. The only difference was they had no height for the redzone and we were the beneficiary of a no PI call.

    Why do I think we still win this game? Geno Smith. His road splits are just so pathetic.
     
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  14. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    I think we'll win. Check that...I expect the Dolphins to win. Why not? We're the better team. Playing at home. Playoffs on the line. All valid reasons why Miami should win. That said, you just never know.
     
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  15. GMJohnson

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    The problem is that after we beat the Jets a few weeks ago he basically said "so what, the Jets are terrible" anybody would beat them. Now he says we are most likely going to lose to them. Yeah I know they took down the mighty Browns and Raiders since Dec 1 but we have two wins that are more impressive so I don't get the improved Jets angle.

    It's bizarre but that's CK being CK.
     
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  16. ckparrothead

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    You're jumping into a conversation which you obviously don't understand at all. You need to take a step back, perhaps read up in the thread and read the exchanges between Anonymous and myself if you want to understand that post. Don't just jump in completely contextless and start assuming things. No I did not pick the Bills to win that game.
     
  17. Section126

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    I am serious BTW...

    We win a squeaker with a field goal...FIRE EVERYBODY.

    This coaching staff finally has a cut and dry test in front of them. (They had one after the Patriot game and failed Part I) The Task is a simple one and one that they are heavy favorites to complete. Failure to do so has no other explanation, other than a coaching staff not preparing the team adequately.

    We'll see.
     
  18. ckparrothead

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    This is a misrepresentation of the things I said. Here is exactly what I said and argued:

    Just because a team PLAYED poorly in that game and in the most recent outings, doesn't mean they are a poor team and will play poorly every week. In fact, pretty much everyone in here wants to pretend that this game against the Bills didn't happen, purely on that basis.

    I'm very much about recent trends when it comes to how teams will play. Not necessarily the very last game they played but the last two or three games, because I think teams hit various strides throughout the season. I think team performance generally comes in waves and hits inflection points. When I talked about the Jets win feeling a little hollow it was because in the previous two games they had hit a low point in terms of how poorly they were playing, and then most importantly they continued that low against the Dolphins. They played poorly against us. You can't say Miami beat a team that was playing well against us. That just wouldn't be accurate...and that's why the victory didn't feel quite as good as it should have.

    So I'm actually being quite consistent here, trying to figure the recent trends. As I said, the Jets have won 2 of their last 3 games. Section126 may pretend that means I figure them to be some "juggernaut" but obviously that's just a gross exaggeration of what I've been saying. I don't think they've even necessarily played better than the Miami Dolphins in those last three games. I'm saying it's close enough that a little extra emotion, combined with a "nothing to lose" mentality on the Jets and a Dolphins team that is completely unproven in these "win and in" situations...makes me pick the Jets for this one.
     
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  19. Section126

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    All fair.

    But I still say ..it is what it is. They better smash this Jets team. or else. 23-13 is fair.
     
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  20. ckparrothead

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    Part of me wants to say that beating the Jets would be a great sign of the Dolphins' ability to reach out and grab success.

    But part of me would also see it within the context of the team's responses against the Cincinnati Bengals, San Diego Chargers and New York Jets (the first game). I don't know how accurate this is or if the players felt this way but heading into each of those games 3-4, 4-5 and then 5-6, I felt like one more loss and the season would be over. I guess that's not precisely true really, since after they beat the Bengals they followed up with a loss to the Bucs and that certainly didn't end our season, and after we beat the Chargers we followed up with a loss to the Panthers and that didn't end our season either. But if the players felt that desperation and feeling of we have to win or everything is over...then they've already shown us how they can play when their back is against the wall.

    That's what the playoffs are...win or go home. If you don't win, everything's over. They're already in the playoffs right now because if they don't beat the Jets then everything is over. But it could be that the team didn't really feel that desperation in those games the same way I would have.

    What scares me is they seem consistently unable to reach out and positively grab their own fate with their own two hands. But if they can respond every time their backs are to the wall that could be good enough.
     
  21. Stringer Bell

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    69% chance Miami wins.

    31% chance Jets win.
     
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  22. vt_dolfan

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    But...honestly, I dont feel the reasoning actually reflects what has happened this season. I think if you follow that line of thinking, then you view the fact we have won 3 of our last 4 games as lucky bounces. Id be much more worried if we played Buffalo with everything we have, and got beat. To me, I personally take as much from that Buffalo game, as I did from the NO game.

    I keep hearing about how much motivation the Jets are going to be playing with, because they want to save Rex's job. But I hear very little about the motivation our team will be playing with. You think these guys want to lose the last two games...to division rivals..and get walked out of the playoffs? I sure dont.

    Ive seen some supposed "logical" arguments for why we cant do something this season, only to have us actually win. And then afterwords, instead of giving the team really any credit for winning, its either the other team lost the game, or we got lucky. Which is fine.
     
  23. vt_dolfan

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    Not actually.....you posted a reply insinuating that you had to go through 40 some odd posts before you saw anyone logically explain why the Phins logically could have lost to the Bills. My replay is...as a fan, I dont have to have logical reasons why our team will win. I dont need to be objective. I can vote with my heart. You tend to take the "professorial" approach where we are somehow students...and prone to going off the deep end. I want to the Phins to win, just as much as you like to be right.
     
  24. vt_dolfan

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    How are we unproven? We had to win, in Pittsburgh, and we did. We had to win that Pats game, and we did. We had to win in NY and we did. We have won 3 of 4 games we HAD to win.
     
  25. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    I felt like we were sleeping on the Bills..Both the team and the fans. I guess that is the bad feeling I had in regards to that game. It's not like any of us can actually predict a win or a loss but it felt like we slept hard on Buffalo and got our asses handed to us....Can't sleep on the Jets.
    All i'm saying is that I don't think this Jets game is going to be a stroll in the park for us. Our guys need to not go out and party all night Saturday and then try and play a very important game a few hours later. We better come in focused and ready or we are going to get beat.
     
  26. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Thats about how I see the odds as well. Thing is people are putting too much emphasis on the final score. They want to see a blowout of epic proportions to validate Joe Philbin. I just don't see that happening though Sunday. I expect a very tight, very stressful game that is going to come down to either us getting a defensive stop or us getting an offensive score on the last possession of the game. I don't think it's going to be extremely high scoring, and I think it's going to be an ugly game. I don't us trouncing them 35-3 and exploding into the playoffs. We are going to have to earn this one.
     
  27. vt_dolfan

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    Lol..I dont want a blow out to Validate anything. I ****IN HATE THE JETS. I WANT A BLOWOUT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE AMAZING TO WATCH THE JETS GET THEIR ASSES HANDED TO THEM
     
  28. ckparrothead

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    Yes actually. If you had actually been paying attention to the nature of the conversation you would know that Anonymous claimed that many people on here saw the Bills loss coming for real intellectual reasons. I was showing him a thread in which virtually nobody (except rdhstlr23) actually came up with intelligent reasons that the Dolphins might not win the game against the Bills. There were some people in that thread that basically feared a loss like a battered spouse but otherwise nothing serious about why the Bills could win the game. Yet Anonymous claims the Bills loss was something that Dolphins fans, including himself, saw coming because of Miami's weak pass protection, the weather, the Bills ground game, etc.

    Read the context. Stop just shooting off the hip and attacking for no reason.
     
  29. vt_dolfan

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    Whoooaaaa horsey..lol Dude Im not attacking. Ive replied to wayyyyyyyyyyy to many of your threads over the years to know I dont attack you. Im just not agreeing...and bantering back and forth. Its not like I started posting here yesterday.
     
  30. rookie

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    id like to see a blowout but we all know its not going to be. if we've learnt anything from this years fins is that we play to the level of our opponent. expect a tight one boys, decided 2nd h of 4 quarter.
     
  31. ckparrothead

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    I could honestly see any of the above happening. But my best guess is a disappointing finish.
     
  32. cdz12250

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    What needs to happen here is physically beating the Jets up at the line of scrimmage, which is what the Bills did to us. Our guys folded like spoiled little mama's boys when the Bills came at them. Oooh, it was too wet and too cold and those boys were too rough, boo hoo. This time, they'll come out angry because of the shame of having been manhandled, put their big boy pants on, and start hitting people. Expect a barroom brawl.
     
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  33. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Fans...better spelled fanatics...are not rational to begin with. I had worries about the weather and Tannehill being sacked/fumbling, and my worries mostly surfaced. Does that mean I'm to go on some tirade about how we're supposed to lose before the game?!?!?!

    That's being an ANALYST, maybe a reporter...certainly not a fan. If said tirade ended with, "but this is my damn team, and I have faith they'll come through," well, that may be a fan.

    To quote dictionary.com,

    "fa·nat·ic [fuh-nat-ik]

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    1. a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics.
    adjective
    2. fanatical."

    A fan's love for their team isn't supposed to be rational.

    "an·a·lyst [an-l-ist]

    noun
    1. a person who analyzes or who is skilled in analysis.
    2. a psychoanalyst.
    3. Computers. systems analyst."

    There's the difference.
     
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  34. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Uh yeah...I wasn't calling you out...I was saying that this wont be a blowout and you shouldn't expect that.
     
  35. Anonymous

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    According to who?
     
  36. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    [video]http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-jets/0ap2000000304387/Preview-New-York-Jets-vs-Miami-Dolphins[/video]
     
  37. vt_dolfan

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    Nooo..no no I know you werent at all. I was just saying how much I want them to kick their asses up and down the field!
     
  38. Stringer Bell

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    Financial markets.
     
  39. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Well yeah that would be great to see of course.
     
  40. ckparrothead

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    You mean the spread?

    I have a current 68% versus 32%.
     

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