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Who should be the Fins new Head Coach and new GM?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by fsualumizzy, Dec 29, 2013.

  1. fsualumizzy

    fsualumizzy Supreme Overlord

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    I wouldn't mind in this order for Head Coach

    1.) Bill Cowher

    2.) Lovie Smith

    3.) Jon Gruden

    4.) Jay Gruden

    5.) Mike Shula


    For GM I have one man in mind right now.

    1.) Bill Polian
     
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  2. vizi0n

    vizi0n Boom.. Club Member

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    Doubt cowher or gruden leaves the booth. Im a fan of Jay Gruden and Shula for sure though.

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  3. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    How many more threads of this type are going to be made? There's already four of them.
     
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  4. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    Don't see Cowher or Gruden leaving the booth either, my third choice is Lovie Smith, Bill Polian at GM would IMO be a dream.
     
  5. fsualumizzy

    fsualumizzy Supreme Overlord

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    As many as it takes for us fans to vent!
     
  6. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I'd be ok with Lovie Smith or Mike Shula.
     
  7. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    none of those guys are coming here with ire********er still in place
     
  8. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    The clear GM favorite should be McCloughan. But since he's fickle about where he lives and all that, Baalke should be pursued vigorously.
     
  9. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    No way on any of those. No Shula kid will ever win a SB. Period.

    Second, re-tread coaches, even successful ones, just don't win the big game. It just doesn't happen. How many coaches win two SBs with different teams? They don't.

    Lovie Smith is a possibility.

    But, honestly, I think Philbin needs more than two years. He does need a new OC and a new OL coach. And, we have to have a new GM.

    I would go with the guy from Baltimore who has been there for a long time under Ozzie Newsome - Eric DeCosta. I don't think you can judge him on the basis of previous Baltimore execs who were not fully developed there (it's a fallacious and anecdotal argument). DeCosta (unlike the others) has been fully developed in Baltimore. Pay him big bucks and get him control.

    But, an alternative would be to try to keep Philbin and bring in a GM from a team that has a system that Philbin has been in and keep Philbin.
     
  10. JamesyEsq

    JamesyEsq Active Member

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    My simple wish...
    HC... a smart, MOTIVATONAL inspiring coach
    OC.. creative, competent, exciting offense
    GM.. respectable, excellent talent evaluation, quiet, no drama guy
     
  11. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I would really like Malzahn, honestly. Maybe Art Briles.
     
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  12. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick are retread coaches. Mike Holmgren was.
     
  13. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Think he means ones that have won a SB.

    That may be true but also just may situations and sample size.
     
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  14. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I will agree with the earlier comments that Jon Gruden and Bill Cowher aren't going to be leaving their TV jobs to get back into coaching. They make more money than a HC in their present jobs and they don't have to work the long hours head coaches do in the NFL.

    I would love to see Jay Gruden as the next HC. I think he would be a major upgrade over Philbin.

    I loved Don Shula as the HC of the Dolphins but I'm not a big fan his son, Mike Shula as a head coaching prospect. I don't see him as an upgrade over Philbin.

    Lovie Smith would be a candidate I could live with. I think he was a solid HC with the Bears and with the right GM, he would certainly be better than what we have right now.

    What I would like to happen is that Ross hires a, "President of football operations" and he lets this individual decide who to hire for the positions of GM and HC.

    I don't know who would be best suited for this position, but as the owner of the team, it is the responsibility of Ross to go out and hire the best available individual or individuals to run this organization. Hopefully he has reliable contacts within the NFL who can help him in the search for the best person for this job.
     
  15. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I think he was trying to imply that retread coaches, who had previous won SB's with another team don't win another SB with a new team. Because all you have to do is look at Belichick, Coughlin, and even Don Shula to see that there have been head coaches who coached other NFL teams before leading their new teams to SB wins.
     
  16. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    this. preferably malzahn.
     
  17. Deerless Dice

    Deerless Dice Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I like Ken Wisenhunt as a potential HC. He has done a fantastic job reviving Philip River's career and his biggest issue in Arizona was not being able to replace Warner after he left, which wouldn't be an issue with Tannehill on board. Strong pedigree with his Pittsburgh ties
     
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  18. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Head Coach : Ken Wisenhunt

    Offensive Coordinator : Gary Kubiak

    General manager : Bill Polian
     
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  19. Jimmy James

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    Tom Heckert Jr. as GM, his fall DUI be damned. He has team ties, did a good job with the mess that were the Browns, and the Browns were idiotic to fire him.

    Let him decide if Philbin stays or goes and if so let him pretty much pick the new guy.
     
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  20. JonnyRadioPhin

    JonnyRadioPhin New Member

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    Better question is who the heck would want to come try and fix this joke and mess of a franchise?
     
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  21. Leo1989

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    I would be as well all for Ross hiring a Football guy who takes kind of over for him and responds to him. Tony Dungy might be a fit or Marino, doesnt matter. I just think it would be best to have one guy with knowledge of football to make all decisions alone.

    I actually think a college coach would be maybe a good fit. Making things more creative and open minded. Would be all for Malzahn.
     
  22. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    Gus Malzahn

    The greatest coach of our time. In thirty years it may become the Gus Malzahn trophy. Vince who?
     
  23. Brasfin

    Brasfin Well-Known Member

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    I actually think Miami would be a pretty attractive destination for a GM/HC. We've got a young QB with untapped potential, some core players at the WR position, a young DE/LB with a lot of physical talent and huge upside, pretty good cap space, most of our draft picks next year, an owner who is willing to spend, and a fanbase that's clamoring for change...that's a good combination of things IMO.
     
  24. Coloradotrv

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    Miami is an attractive destination for a lot of coaches IMO. The roster has a good bit of under-utilized talent. The thing that kept so many people away at the last hiring was Ross insisting on keeping Ireland. Let a HC bring in their own GM and you open up the pool of candidates significantly.

    Del Rio, Gruden (either of them), Malzahn, and Shaw are on my short list. I love that offense Stanford runs. 7OL sets, single back, pound the rock over and over and over. Killer defense as well.
     
  25. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    As dolfan22 notes, I meant those that have won a SB already.

    Closest was Holmgren who was different because he went straight from the Packers (after he won in '96, lost in the SB in '97 - a game they probably should have won; and then, after '98, he went straight to Seattle). Holmgren was still in his prime as a coach and did not have a layoff from being a SB winner.

    Even still, no coach has done it and they tend not to be as successful, generally speaking, at the new place.
     
  26. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    I'm on the Heckert bandwagon for GM.

    I like Gus Malzahn, Ken Wisenhunt or Bill O'Brien.
     
  27. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I don't believe in such jinxes as for no coach winning a SB with two different teams. It hasn't happened yet but that doesn't mean it will never happen. I think Cowher has been out too long. I don't expect he'll ever coach again. Gruden is possibly going to, but I think the odds are against him too more with each passing year.
    Someone who has been to the SB and lost, but has gotten a second chance with a new team and won is what Shula did. If I were looking for a new head coach, Whisenhunt and Lovie would be among my top choices.
     
  28. gilv13

    gilv13 Well-Known Member

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    lolwhut?
     
  29. Unlucky 13

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    Of the realistic choices, he's my choice too. Great on offense, and strong ties to the Steeler way. We need to get away from the stank of the Tuna Tree.
     
  30. Hellion

    Hellion Crash Club Member

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    Here and there
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  31. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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    Funny because in my addled mind, thoughts swirled around about Wisenhunt after watching 'A Football Life' about Kurt Warner. I found it pleasantly jarring, how friendly and forthcoming he was, and how different that was from the surly, spiteful turds who have populated the sideline here since Shula.

    You know what Philbin said today in a PC with the reporters, when asked to evaluate the season? "Average," he said. Really, Joe? An 8-8 season, average? What a facetious, contentious, contemptuous piece of ****.

    I'd give a lot for a HC who doesn't regard EVERYONE outside the organization—but especially the press, who are just working schlubs trying to make a living gathering information for dissemination to us, the fans—as the enemy.

    But I digress; this is what I'd like to see unfold if and when Ross finally gets his Keebler elf courage up to actually act:

    There are two big names out there with the knowledge, perspective, experience, wisdom and maturity to head up a football team from the top and bring it back to glory: Bill Cowher and Tony Dungy. Neither seems primed to get back into coaching, but present either with an opportunity to win another ring as an executive, and it might entice.

    I'd like to see one of them become the head of football operations for the Dolphins; President, COO, VP...whatever we end up calling it. He hires a solid, respected and respectable personnel guru who is the polar opposite of Jeff Ireland in both skill and personality. Make him GM, VP of Personnel...whatever. This person would have the final word on all personnel moves, pro and college. He structures his staff; hires his own scouts, analysts, etc. as he needs and sees fit.

    Hire a capologist; same thing, he puts his own team together.

    The key is: all of these people are on the same page, work seamlessly together, meet every day to assess the previous 24 hours—waivers, free agents, draft, supplemental...cost/risk vs. reward.

    They would all work together to hire a Head Coach. The choice would need to be unanimous because all of them would need to mesh. The President—say it's Dungy—would have final override in case the rest of the team is deadlocked and needs a nudge forward.

    Now, here's a wild card: there's a third guy out there; a fan favorite, a brilliant Xs and Os mind. His name is Jon Gruden, and you can see that, unlike Cowher and Dungy, he's champing at the bit to get back into coaching.

    Gruden would be both a solid choice and a sexy one for the franchise; the problem is, how do you get a guy with that ego to come on as a HC-only—input on personnel, but no say in any functional aspect. Because as brilliant as he is as a HC and Offensive mind, he is one of the most atrocious at picking his own personnel in the NFL.

    Don't believe it? The Raiders team he won with was constructed by others. He then won with Tony Dungy's team, a massively talented bunch...and then proceeded to destroy it with laughable personnel moves, until he painted himself into a corner and had to be fired. He should never be allowed to buy his own groceries again.

    For that reason, I believe Gruden is pie-in-the-sky.
     
  32. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    the next dimension
    GM-Eric DeCosta
    HC-Mike Pettine
    OC-Ken Zampese
    DC-Greg Mattison
     
  33. Da 'Fins

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    I don't in any way believe in such jinxes either.

    I don't think it has anything to do with jinxes. I think it has to do with retreading a former SB winning coach simply does not work. Now, if Miami hired John Harbaugh, I could be down with that in .002 seconds. But that is because he is still young, in his prime and right in there in coaching without having retired or dropped out of coaching; re-tread coaches who were out of the league for a year or more - who had won the SB already - just not going for it.

    Certainly none of those guys. I don't think any would win a SB.
     
  34. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    No he's not. He's made it clear, he doesn't want to be considered for any football jobs.
     
  35. mracer

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    Josh Mcdaniels...Flame on!!!:omg:
     
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  36. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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    I don't think that means what you think it means.
     
  37. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Could do much worse.

    Jon Gruden has also went on record saying he isn't done with coaching yet.
     
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