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The Wally Buono Standard on firing people

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  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I'm often mocked for my love of CFL football

    However, it tracks the "modern" NFL in the sense that it is a pass happy league, and they have little hesitation in canning underperformers

    Here today, gone tommorrow so to say

    Jacque Chapdeline won a Grey Cup in 2011, he was fired this yr

    Wally B is sort of the Don Shula of the CFL, his standard was if one has the talent, and it does not perform, that is on them, if one has the talent and you fail to make adjustments to adapt your guys, then you are fired

    Based on that, my chopping block after this end of year debacle:

    Kevin Coyle
    Jim Turner
    Jeff Ireland

    Here is why:

    Coyle is consistently to much of an idiot to coach my Defense, when we were up on the Panthers he called utterly moronic coverage based on what Cam Newton had done in College..in college mind you, it cost us the game

    Jim Turner, your OLmen gave up the most sacks in Dolphins history, I'd drive to your house and hand you a pink slip myself

    Jeffy: it's been a long tough road for you, as I watched John Jerry whiff on a short ydg block, and consider that the franchise could have had Jimmy Graham, and see your FA's consistently underperform, I'd fire you over a nice prime rib/w arrugala dinner and a couple of gin and tonics

    Darren Rizzi, watch your ***, your unit consistently under performed

    Mike Sherman, uhm, yeah, call screens when you, I, everyone knows they cannot cross a grocery store aisle let alone get out on the edge to block on a flanker screen

    The talent was there, you guys blew it, Wally B would fire you, and so would I
     
  2. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    Mike Sherman is not on your list????
     
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  3. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    10-11 win season wasted. My advice is invest in Lithium as a good part of this fan base will be on it in the offseason.
     
  4. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    1. Ireland.
    2. New GM fires all coaches.
    3. New coaches fire Tannehill.
    4. profit!
     
  5. Not sure I want Philbin as the HC
     
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  6. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Tannehill should get a pass in my opinion. He is being coached by two coaches who have zero exp and exactly 4 yrs of college exp as bench warmers......WTF
     
  7. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Tannehill should get a pass in my opinion. He is being coached by two coaches who have zero exp and exactly 4 yrs of college exp as bench warmers......WTF
     
  8. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    He is the head coach and he's allowing all of this to happen.
     
  9. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    B/c we have to keep Tannhill's development in mind, I do think the OL=little running gm means there was not much he could do to counter it.

    I'm happy with THill's development and could live with another yr of Sherman/Tannehill.

    The other guys though..wow..they MUST go..how in the hell our offensive line is this bad boggles my mind, I'd go straight up Executive Orders and chop anyone who had anything to do with them and it.

    Break the chain or feel the pain so to speak
     
  10. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    No running game, the offensive line is a slew of ******* who could not push my 80 yr old mom out to create a lane.

    I'm fine with Tannehill and really excited he is our Qb, but what I'm seeing is a systemic failure of the running game and a misidentification of Lb's and Offensive Linemen who can, you know, make plays or even do their jobs
     
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  11. fin13

    fin13 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I can't believe they lost, this team has no soul, Hartline going down cost us the game, his bad performance in Barfalo hurt the team.
    When he went out everything changed.
     
  12. Ohio Fanatic

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    Ireland should be a goner. Philbin will be kept on unless the new GM demands otherwise.
    Coyle really shat the bed today. Defenses playing at home in week 17 for a chance at the playoffs should be dominating a team like the Jets. We had almost no pressure vs a mediocre Oline and a turnover prone QB with crappy WRs. Coyle has shown nothing more than average coaching ability.
     
  13. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    My take on Philbin is he is a good football mind he is allowing past relationships dictate his staff to heavily.

    Put it this way, Ryan Tannehill has been the most successful Qb we've had since #13, that does not happen via accident, with no running game

    Sherman can call whatever he wants, with an offensive line this bad, most of it won't work

    Which left Tannehill's **** swinging in the wind, it all fell on him to cover that gap, add in his knee issue, which no one spoke of but I believe is a part of it, and Sherm and THill are mostly blameless
     
  14. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Joe Philbin is an offensive coordinator. He's not a head coach.
     
  15. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Disagree, his mind is "right' for the job, his staff and GM let him down imo

    Wally B would NEVER accept missing the playoffs for 5 yrs, NEVER, heads would roll as soon as the locker room was cleaned out.

    If I were Ross, I'd invite him out for a weekend and pick his brains a bit, Buono comes from a exxperienced pov w/no agenda one way or another, he'd just spit it the way it is
     
  16. dolfan22

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    IMO it will be a mistake to yet again pretend , fire Ireland tomorrow and let the new GM fire all and everyone he wants after that. 17 is not the issue imo and I think a brand new OC would be better than Sherman . No hesitation , make it a Black Monday.

    No more let's give ______ another year to see.... f*ck that. We have done that dance before.
     
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  17. padre31

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    Eh, thing is, the sort of "Czar" approach does not really work in Miami either

    Appreciate you popping in D22, said all along, this is the Wally Buono Standard

    Wally would suffer 1 yr w/a young Qb, two yrs?

    Maybe, no way that goes on for 3 yrs.

    Granted, smaller league, to me that standard makes a lot of sense just add another year

    And the D playing like this would never be tolerated
     
  18. P h i N s A N i T y

    P h i N s A N i T y My Porpoise in Life

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    Pads, Coyle but not Sherman ? And Philbin gets a pass ? It's not easy to turn a streaking hot team into a total dud when it counts.
     
  19. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    I also feel that Philbin is too much of a ***** to overrule his coordinators even when he knows the call is ******ed. You can't tell me he was satisfied with that play call on 4th and inches.
     
  20. NyPhinfan

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    The problem is...most of this will never happen. There will not be wholesale changes. Sherman will be asked if he wants to retire or come back for another season. Coyle will be back. So will the same cast of under achieving characters. How many years can we keep the John Jerrys of the world? The same guys who when the game is on the line...fail to even stay on their feet...none the less make a play? We have short yardage problems but don't even care to carry a FB on the roster? 16 weeks of the same problems and just keep on keeping on.. Nothing will change. As much as we hope it does...nothing will change
     
  21. padre31

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    B/c the long game here is developing Ryan Tannehill, Sherman has done a good job doing exactly this, w/n running game and a historically poor offensive line.

    Yeah, Joe gets a pass, up until he does not realize there is a problem, he's football mind is fine, I suspect his assistants have let him down, he needs to deal with that one
     
  22. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Heh, dirty little secret of the NFLis 90% of the time a new DefCord changes the unit's fortunes in the first yr they are on the job.

    It's OC changes that take the longest to implement and make an impact
     
  23. OkiePhin

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    Because of the inconsistency. The players are not making the plays week after week. That is their shortcoming (tracing back to Ireland) not Philbins.

    Pads makes an excellent point about Sherman/Tannehill development.
     
  24. dolfan22

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    I certainly may be wrong but 17 isn't an issue imo. Can he play better ? absolutely . But just like today , he has had little help , Wallace didn't make plays , slipped for a int , never battled , laid out ... I see production and potential . We need better players in a lot of positions and we need better coaching . How we battled the last 2 weeks is pathetic. Totally unacceptable to me.

    IF a new GM comes in and wants Philbin with major decisions made to the other coaches , I MAY be ok with that , but would not prefer it to be sure. If your HC can't get more effort and want and passion in your last 2 games against division rivals when you have a realistic chance to make the playoffs for the first time in what is 5 , 6 years? Holy crap that is telling at least to me . Like I said last week , it was HOW we lost ... happened again.

    Can't accept that personally , can't see anyone doing that.

    Last 2 weeks were a disaster. Plain and simple and for all the football world to see.
     
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  25. padre31

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    Personally D22, to me, Philbin should take on the Coach/GM role ala Wally B

    I've never said that before, just think Philbin's Vulcan mind would handle it well add in his preference for delegation and I think it would work much much better then this disjointed crap we are seeing now.

    How are you going to use power running game OL's in a zone scheme?

    As for Tannehill, keep in mind if the D had not **** the bed as often as it did his slide would not have mattered, the D punked up, that falls on Coyle
     
  26. padre31

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    The improvement is obvious, 3 yrs, then it's time to change up, if THill does not have his training wheels off by then there is not much to be said
     
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  27. NyPhinfan

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    I get what you are saying..I do.. Yet do you think if we addressed the short yardage problem at all since training camp? A fullback? Did we even try to utilize our QBs athleticism at all? Did we even try to make him use his legs? Geno Smith as horrible as he is..he ran just enough to give us fits. The stubbornness of Shermam...from Day 1...spoke volumes.. Refusal of QB sneaks..fullback on the roster..that's when I think he held back not only the QB..but the whole offense. You can't tell me he did a good job as our coordinator...you can't
     
  28. padre31

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    Think of this, when we needed 1 yd, playoffs on the line, John ****ing Jerry was so beaten he fell down and the Rb was stuffed.

    I'd drop kick Jeff Ireland out of Miami so fast his head would spin, hopefully Jim Turner would then rear end him creating a sort of black hole of incompetence somewhere
     
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  29. NyPhinfan

    NyPhinfan Season Ticket Holder

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    I am so glad someone else saw that!! How is that possible? How do you not even get a hat on someone? I fell out of my chair! More incompetence that will be back next year..just watch
     
  30. RevRick

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    Wasn't Jerry drafted under Planet-Theory Parcells lordship? That would explain why he was here, but why he stayed here is entirely on Ireland. He's about as useless as another udder on a boar at drafting/evaluating linemen, and that is the single worst problem on the team.
     
  31. Califin

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    I remain a bit cloudy on the chain of responsibility.

    Clearly it ultimately rests on Irelands shoulders, but given that Jerry's tenure extends through this regime's, was it not imperative for Turner, Sherman, and Philbin to do their own evaluation, and make it clearly known that in their opinion Jerry was inadaquate or useless?

    Once they stated their opinion on the record, would it not be up to Ireland to comply?

    The fact he didn't address the issue, leads me to believe there was at most, a nominal demand made to replace him.
    I find it unlikely Ireland would totally ignore the Oline, if the coaching staff was rattling chains to upgrade it.
    Otoh, if no noise was made to upgrade, what incentive would Ireland have necessarily to dive in and start jerking with any potential chemistry, if Turner and his superiors remained hush? Its no secret judging the potential of Oline chemistry is a detailed specialty often difficult for even the most seasoned Line coaches to master.
     
  32. mlb1399

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    Philbin wanted Cogs gone and we saw how that ended up for us.
     
  33. Oghma

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    I don't understand how Philbin gets a pass.

    Sherman and Coyle have been anything from inconsistent to awful all year, depending on your point of view. The team laid back to back eggs with the playoffs in the line.

    That's all Philbins responsibility. I'd fire him tomorrow.

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    Despite the attention that point has drawn, I'm at a loss as I never read the detailed facts surrounding that.
    Does it completely excuse the coaching staff from making their opinions known regarding any other lineman? This, to at least have built a case for Ross to now consider, if there indeed was a case to build.
     
  35. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    yeah, the OP lost me at that point.
     
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  36. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I am over looking the line **** up. I am not saying what happened is inexcusable, I am saying we had it patched to get thru the season and work on it more this off season. No one could have known what was to happen with Incog/martin.

    I am seeing a systematic/systemic failure of the coaching across the board. Highlighted by players that are not motivated to win.

    Schemes:

    There are coaches that know a scheme because that is what they learned.
    then there are coaches that understand the working 's of the scheme and how to tweak it to get desired results.

    Joe Philbin has a scheme from Greenbay. Based on several games this year and last, and especially the last two, the approach is all wrong. The approach is a$$end backwards

    Philbin and staff are trying to get players to fit the scheme. Not fitting the scheme to the players. It is why we have had the large drop-off at linebacker. It's why there are zero adjustments. it is a$$end backwards. If we continue down this path we are doomed. Better to cut our losses and move on. We are not going to find players for a system when the Head coach and his staff has no idea how to modify it in game to get desired results. I for one are not interested in allowing Philbin 5 more years to maybe figure it out.
     

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