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Turner,Ireland and Sherman on the chop block

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfan40, Dec 30, 2013.

  1. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I do agree its not the best thing for the team. My hope is that he sees that its probably best, and we find a new OC who Is on thr same page as Philbin but also brings something new to the table.
     
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  2. Caps

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    I'm 100% on board with this. There are clearly problems that need to be addressed with this coaching staff, and if Philbin doesn't see it, I'd rather let him go than force changes upon him. We need a man in charge that can make the hard decisions when it is necessary, ala John Harbaugh showing Cam Cameron the door mid-season last year, not someone who values loyalty to his "boys" over performance.
     
  3. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I don't know if this counts with you or not but obviously the Carolina Panthers lost Rob Chudzinski to the Browns job and they also fired their General Manager, hiring Dave Gettleman in his place, and they jumped from a 7-9 team to a 12-4 team.

    That's just off the top of my head.
     
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  4. jw3102

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    In his news conference this morning, as reported on the ESPN site, Philbin defended Sherman and called him an excellent coach. Obviously this shows that Philbin has a problem judging talent in the coaching ranks.

    I realize Philbin views Sherman as his mentor, but if he isn't willing to get rid of Sherman and the rest of the Sherman family on the coaching staff, Ross needs to fire Philbin. At least by firing Philbin we would all be sure Sherman and the rest of this very mediocre to bad coaching staff won't be around in 2014.
     
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  5. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    There's probably quite a lot of teams who lost a coordinator to an HC opening, but I was wondering if there were any teams who fired a significant part of their staff and thus became successful. Because it seems to me that all teams that tried to improve by retaining their HCs while canning scapegoats on the staff ultimately ended up firing their HC.

    As for the general manager, Carolina is indeed a good example.
     
  6. dolfan40

    dolfan40 Well-Known Member

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  7. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    What I cant understand is what the hell does Ross have to think about ? The team failed after controlling their own destiny, period. Changes must be made immediately. The longer it drags on the more I fear nothing will be done.
     
  8. emocomputerjock

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    No. I'm extrapolating (obviously, I'm not an employee with inside knowledge) from having seen Tannehill segments, interviews, and so on. I've seen some people calling him Hennehill, but that's unfair. Henne was a QB that always had something new to fix. Tannehill strikes me as a smart, dedicated guy that's more than capable of identifying and fixing his problems, and I think that a lot of the issues people are criticizing him for were in fact products of the offensive staff developing him the way they are. I don't blame Taylor for those, but I don't think he's a large credit to how Tannehill improved either. I'd like to be able to provide something of substance, but the above is all I got.
     
  9. finwin

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    Philbin said the team would be playing their best football in December. That did not happen. Philbin could not get any heart out of the players. Zach Taylor did not find out or correct Tannehill's problem with the long ball, he did not help him improve his pocket awareness, and it took up to mid season before he helped him with holding on the the football when sacked but at that point, it had already cost us two games.
     
  10. Desides

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    Just curious, why do you keep inserting an H into Zac Taylor's name?
     
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  11. Jagfish

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    Even if Philbin was going to let Sherman go he is not going to bash him in a presser. What coaches would work for a HC who does that? He as HC takes the heat and deals with his staff behind closed doors.
     
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  12. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    The Jets went from 6-10 to 8-8 after firing Mike Tannenbaum and Tony Sparano, and keeping Rex Ryan.
     
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  13. Vendigo

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    I wouldn't exactly call 8-8 "successful", however.
     
  14. ckparrothead

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    Very true. They finished 2nd in the division with Geno Smith at QB.
     
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  15. ckparrothead

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    With rookie Geno Smith at the helm?

    I damn well would.
     
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  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    They were 8-8 with a quarterback who threw 12 touchdowns and 21 interceptions. That is crazy to me.
     
  17. Vertical Limit

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    I think Philbin will not want to fire those guys if forced to do so, so the Dolphins would fire Philbin as well. Saying this hypothetically though, don't think Philbin gets fired, and I think Sherman ends up retiring.
     
  18. Vinny Fins

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    When is the chopping? I cannot begin to get over yesterday until the chopping...

    Wash away the bad.
     
  19. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Oh, I don't intend to downplay Rex Ryan's coaching skills. He did an outstanding job this season.

    I'm merely wondering if the small house cleaning routine has ever served as a blueprint to sustained success. And I'm not arguing for the argument's sake, I genuinely wonder if there ever was an instance such as "oh, remember when the XYs fired half their offense staff plus their GM and then went on to win six division titles in a row".
     
  20. jw3102

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    He is not a football man. I assume that after the Patriots game, he was relieved because he felt that there would be no pressure on him to make changes after this season. He probably figured that the Dolphins would get in the playoffs with two easy games remaining on their schedule and fans would be happy with just making the playoffs for the first time in five years.

    Now he is in a quandary because he is being placed in a situation where he actually has to make decisions concerning men he has hired. In the past, he seemed to lean on Ireland when things weren't working out. Right now, he can't do this because he has to make a decision whether to fire Ireland or not.

    I assume he is reaching out to friends in the NFL in an attempt to get input in regards to what he should do at this time. That is the problem when you have an owner who has no idea how to run an NFL franchise and one that lives over a thousand miles away from where the team plays its home games.

    Unfortunately I don't see Ross making the changes needed to turn this organization around. I think he will pretty much stay with the status quo and hope the Dolphins are better next year. The best thing which could happen for Dolphin fans is for Ross to finally decide he has no idea what it takes to be a successful NFL owner and he sells the team. That is probably the only hope Dolphin fans have that things will get better in the future.
     
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  21. Stitches

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    Eh, they did almost the same thing with Sanchez (Sanchez was 8-7 as starter, 12 TDs, 20 INTs).
     
  22. Stitches

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    We can be the first!
     
  23. Vertical Limit

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    8-8 is successful for the Jets considering the circumstances. If you all remembered, they were in cap hell in the offseason, had to let go something around 25 players and were still just barely under the cap after cutting half their roster. They had almost no talent at both ends of the field this season. The fact they didn't go winless is a shocker to me, especially with Geno and Sims as your quarterback.
     
  24. PhinGeneral

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    What about the Ravens canning Cam Cam early last season?
     
  25. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That is still crazy to me. Rex Ryan knows how to make chicken salad out of chicken ****
     
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  26. emocomputerjock

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    My heart grew three sizes that day.
     
  27. Stitches

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    And went on to miss the playoffs this year.

    Also, they didn't fire him early in the season. They were 9-4 when he was fired, they only went 1-2 in the rest of the regular season.
     
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  28. Disgustipate

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    How can you possibly separate Rex Ryan from the offensive issues his team has had? He's got responsibilities on that side of the ball as well.
     
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  30. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    His best running back was a back up. His best receiver was a #2 on most teams and a player who honestly I think is very over rated due to one super bowl catch. His quarterback played worse than Sanchez.

    Other than line, the fact he was able to squeeze 8 wins out of that lack of talent offense, is pretty impressive, imo.
     
  31. Vendigo

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    I'm not sure his team has any offensive issues if you give Rex a decent quarterback. He's the epitome of a great coach who can't win because he's never had a QB worth a lick. But he almost made it anyway.
     
  32. brandon27

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    Agreed.

    Then for me, when it comes to Philbin, I'd let the new GM decide if Philbin stays or goes.
     
  33. Vinny Fins

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    Im getting impatient about the changing.
     
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  34. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    That would be a terrible reason to keep Zac Taylor.
     
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  35. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Zac Taylor is only the assistant quarterbacks coach. Has he really done such a poor job to get fired?
     
  36. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Turner and Sherman are blood related? How so? First I've heard of this.
     
  37. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    FEED THE MOB?

    Maybe the smart move would be to stay the course ...again....

    Things are fine .

    Everyone is happy with the progression and the effort level.


    FEED THE MOB?

    WOW.
     
  38. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Probably the same reason so many fans refer to Zach Thomas as Zack, and Larry Csonka as Czonka.
     
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  39. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    He doesn't draft those players. He has no talent. If he had a stacked offense I could see your point
     
  40. MrClean

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