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Black Monday thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by steveincolorado, Dec 30, 2013.

  1. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I think it was classified as just # of coaching changes, and interim coaches counted against you.
     
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  2. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    If Ross has a rock solid plan in place then I wouldn't mind him taking his time announcing his plans. But my gut tells me he has no idea what moves to make, or to make any at all for that matter. That's what scares me.
     
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  3. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Yeah, it was number of coaching changes. We've had 7 since 2000.
     
  4. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Consistency in coaching is a good thing when the coaches are good. Otherwise, keeping a poor coach around just for the sake of consistency is just as ludicrous as firing a HC after one poor season. How many of those franchises with consistency had coaches that demonstrated at least some degree of immediate success? Makes it a lot easier.

    I'm not banging on the "Fire Philbin" drum. I just want a new GM who will make his own choice on what to do with Philbin and company. It might not be fair to Philbin but that's what this team gets for not firing Ireland in 2011.
     
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  5. gilv13

    gilv13 Well-Known Member

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    I think Cleveland's going to make a run at a certain coach that is playing for the national championship soon in college football. Whether or not they get him, I have no idea.
     
  6. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Jimbo Fisher? Be surprised for them to go after him.




    :shifty:
     
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  7. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Can you imagine the drama?

    Clock ticking, team down 3. Ross in the press box Gladiator style with his thumb slowly turning from sideways to downwards, it would be epic!!!
     
  8. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    I can't buy that, at least as it pertains to Ireland. Jeff's been on the fence long enough that I'd sincerely hope Ross had started the feeling out process at least as far back as when the bullying scandal broke.

    I'd think with the staff there would at least have been some preliminary plan in place. I think a number of people on the counsel he formed have enough of their ears and eyes tuned into the organization to see where issues may have been bubbling up.
     
  9. Phinatic74

    Phinatic74 New Member

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    It turns out we were right and you were wrong. Nothing personal but you need to take a timeout maybe until April or May whenever the draft is this year. Jeff scuttled this team and it didn't meet it's expectations and people want him gone. Defend him if you want but maybe on your own time, cause in the end, the firelanders were right and those who are still defending him are wrong.
     
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  10. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Uh oh. Look out.
     
  11. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    Certainly hope you`re right about that. But, would anyone be shocked if there isn't a preliminary plan in place? Sadly, I wouldn't be.
     
  12. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    I think you nailed Ross' dilemma there. He would really like to retain Philbin, and he would probably like to retain Ireland, too, but unless he plans to play in front of an empty stadium next season, he simply can't do that after yesterday's game. So what do you do now? Blow it all up? Then you'll lose a coach you think very highly of. Fire Ireland and install a new GM with full authority? Then you'll likely end up in the same situation. Fire Ireland and install a GM who agrees to work with Philbin? Then you've got yourself a lame duck HC.

    If you genuinely believe that Philbin is the right guy for the job (as Ross obviously does), all your choices are lousy.
     
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  13. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    He does have a plan

    He will meet with Ireland
    He will meet with Philbin
    He will meet with Sherman
    He will meet with Coyle

    He will meet with Carl Peterson

    He will meet with the group collectively

    He will take meeting and facts into consideration

    He will meet with Carl Peterson

    He will announce plan

    Ireland and Philbin stay

    development of Offensive- Line will be top priority. Ross not interested in setting back team 2 - 3 years with whole sale changes at this juncture.

    Mike Sherman is out
     
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  14. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Honestly I don't know what Ross is going to do and I'm not even sure what I would do.

    I think Philbin should stay. He's only been a head coach for 2 years. You made a commitment to him so you should give him the chance to prove himself. He knows he needs to improve. He's a smart man, and I believe he's a guy that will "get it" if you give him a little time.

    I think Ireland should absolutely be fired. 6 years of mediocrity is not good enough. He's also embarrassed us enough beyond trying to build a winning team. I don't have any ill will towards him. I know he's got a rough life at home, and I wish him the best, but it's time to move on from him.

    Sherman and Turner should be fired as well. I understand why they were brought in, but simply put, it hasn't worked out. We need a new direction offensively and Turner's unit was one of the worst I've ever seen.

    Zac Taylor I'm still not sure about. I'd be inclined to let him go too, but I wouldn't be upset if he was kept. He's a young guy and Tannehill has improved this year.

    Kevin Coyle I'd keep as well. There are things he does that get maddening, but in the end, we were a top 10 scoring defense and the way the secondary played this year was impressive.

    Daren Rizzi should be fired too. ST was not good at all this year. I swear we committed a penalty on 95% of our returns.

    I just don't know how probable ANY of this stuff is. All I know is something HAS to change.
     
  15. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Agreed. I think as fans, the best thing we can hope for is Ross does the right thing and hires a GM with full authority. Maybe that GM is ok working with Philbin. If it's the GMs decision we can be cool with it. Otherwise, right back in this loop of lame duck something or other and then we're back to hoping for what CK mentioned and that's a GM who was not perceived as being a good option turning out to be good.

    Because if Philbin is retained, Ireland fired, Philbin stinks in 2014, then what? Was it Philbin being a poor coach? The new GM not bringing in any talent? A little of both? The saga continues.
     
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  16. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    There's a report that they've been given permission to interview former Dolphins defensive line coach Dan Quinn.
     
  17. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Tomlin inherited a Super Bowl Team you should look at what direction the team has gone since Cowher left it's degrading every year.
     
  18. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    A clean slate is what should have happened two years ago. I don't think they'll do it now, though it'd be best for everyone if they're planning on firing anyone.
     
  19. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes, and Pittsburgh would certainly have some grounds to put Tomlin on the hot seat, but the fact is they never had to make a tough call because Tomlin came out of the box with immediate success and made it to 2 Superbowls winning 1. You don't fire that so quickly, particularly given that they need to retool and jettison some of their odler players.
     
  20. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Wondering if rumors of Big Ben wanting to leave will become of anything also. Could get interesting fast if he did.
     
  21. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    This is why BOTH Philbin and Ireland have almost 0 chance of being retained. It's one or the other or both going down.

    After this collapse, I'm willing to bet season ticket sales come in at all time lows. The question is by how large of a margin. Retain both of these guys and it's a wide margin.

    The last couple of seasons you were at least able to entice people with a new shiny first round rookie QB in 2012, and a developing 2nd year QB with some nice shiny weapons in Wallace, Keller, and fast LBs.

    No way we make another large splash on big names in FA. A high profile staff hire will be necessary to capture respectable sales
     
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  22. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    I'm not sure that's necessarily the right thing, though. If Gus Malzahn, for instance, was available, I'd be perfectly happy to hire him right away and worry about a GM to work with him later. In certain situations, I'd also be perfectly willing to cede final say to the headcoach. Seattle certainly isn't regretting it. I used to be a firm believer in the GM first doctrine, too, but I've softened somewhat. The right people are more important than the right structure.
     
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  23. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    i could not agree more. well said.
     
  24. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Another was Fisher a few on this forum had me wanting him at one time I think he is about as mediocre as they get and haven't seen anything impressive from the Rams.

    Glad we struck out on that deal.
     
  25. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Agreed. If John Gruden changed his stance on staying out of coaching, would you give him control of personnel?
     
  26. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    Why does the GM have to be involved in the coach selection? Why can't the coach play a role in the hiring of a GM? If Ross truly feels that he's found the right guy in Philbin to lead this team on the field, then Philbin can absolutely play an integral role in the hiring of a GM that shares his same philosophy in constructing a winning football team.

    Personally, I don't feel like Philbin has done enough (in light of the offensive struggles) to warrant the kind of trust outlined above, but if Ross feels strongly about Joe, a scenario similar to the one noted above can absolutely go down.
     
  27. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Call me crazy, but I think there would be worse things than this franchise firing Joe Philbin and hiring Lovie Smith.
     
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  28. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    The Steelers dont fire their coaches. They have has 3....Knoll...Cowher..and Tomlin. They will stick with Tomlin until they get back to the Super Bowl, and with Tomlin, they will.
     
  29. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    Lovie is going to be Bucs HC I think
     
  30. Rickster

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    Yeah, I like Philbin, so far. Seems like a good guy. I contribute a lot of our problems to the coaching staff under him and even some to the GM. I think he needs more time here.

    I was under the impression that Philbin and Sherman were buddies and was wondering if you could even ask Philbin to fire Sherman. I honestly don't know, which is why I'm asking in here.

    I think Sherman's done a horrible job with our offense, in general, and particularly with Tannehill's skill-set. He's shown no signs of half-time changes that would have been obvious moves to many of us couch coaches and lifelong fans, and let's be honest here, he needs to go back to coaching a college offense because he can't handle the NFL.

    This has been said every off-season for 5 years now, and I agreed with it then, and agree with it now. As far as him moving on, I gave up on that wish. I'll believe it when I see it.
     
  31. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Don't necessarily agree. Only 32 jobs available in totality, and who is to say when the "right" chance will come along if you keep passing up opportunities
     
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  32. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    I've always liked Gruden, but I would be very hesitant to grant him final say. He was never one to develop players, and that, to me, betrays a certain inability to recognize raw talent. I would absolutely hire him in combination with a strong, like-minded GM, but I wouldn't cede final control to him. With the usual exception of Bill Belichik almost every successful GM/HC has had a background in talent evaluation (recruiting).
     
  33. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    You even need to ask?
     
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  34. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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  35. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I thought Sparano resigned too?
     
  36. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    If the team doesn't perform as hoped ala Miami the GM always has that he never selected his guy .

    Hopefully that out for Ireland has been used and won't be again.
     
  37. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Some team is going to hire him this off season. I'd be fine if it were Miami.
     
  38. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Gues you are happy with a .500, playoff choking, no heart football team.
    Good for you.
     
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  39. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    The Steelers used to fire coaches fairly regularly before they got it right with Chuck Noll.
     
  40. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    We love our Jeffy, don't we?
     
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