With the 19th pick, the Miami Dolphins.....?

Shazier was awesome every time I saw him play, but unless we part with Wheeler or Ellerbe in the offseason I can't see us going LB.

 

All of those players are under contract though (minus Binns maybe?). I think we have enough money to keep say Grimes, Clemons, one of Starks/Soliai, and make an decent offer to one of Patterson/Carroll. I'd also get rid of Wheeler, DT, Clabo, Jerry. Doesn't seem far fetched to me to do that, draft and use money for Ebron, OL and RB and use late round project picks for LB/DT/CB.

 

Yeah I guess I'm kind of re-thinking Shazier a little, especially since we've no idea if he's coming out or not.

Khalil Mack is another thing. He's a special talent. But we may want to hold off talking about Shazier being the guy at #19.

I think we'd be more down to seeing whether Kouandjio/Lewan fall to #19, deciding if Cam Erving is good enough, then as I said Jace Amaro, Ra'Shede Hageman and Aaron Donald.

 

Seantrel Henderson would be off my draft board. Disappointing time at UM, and appears to be a knucklehead. Every time you think he's finally on board, he has a relapse and gets suspended for something.

 

If you want analysis on Eric Ebron, check the draft forum on this website. NUGap has some early stats up on the guy, comparing him to the tight ends who came out last year.

 

I'm still wondering when we are going to get any production from the 2103 draft class. If the players in the 2014 draft come in and play as little as the players in the 2013 draft class. We won't have to worry about the Dolphins picking 19th in 2015. They will be picking in the top ten in the 2015 draft if this next class is as nonprodutive as the 2013 class has been.

I'll worry about this draft when I see who the GM is that is making the picks. If it is Ireland again, I don't care who they draft because They won't help the team next year anyway.

 

OL needs drafting priority...but at 19th...oh who are we kidding...

 

I'm going to give them until at least 2105 before I decide...

 

Apropos of barely anything in here, I want Jay Prosch badly.

 

The best OT or LB prospect on the draft board, unless none are deemed worthy of the selection. Then I either look to see if there is a complete HB or safety prospect.

 

I'm going to assume it's ted ginn jr and his family, and then we all realize we are in a giant groundhog day style loop that lasts 7 years.

 

I feel like the 2013 class can be pretty good actually. Rookie corners almost always need a few years, and unfortunately our top pick needed a year too. Dallas Thomas seems like a bust but almost everyone else I could see playing for us significantly. It's just that isn't what we needed out of last years class at all. Ireland needed picks that could contribute in year one and he kinda screwed himself there.

 

Kelvin Benjamin or Eric Ebron

 

If Mack falls he's a no-brainer. Same with Louis Nix, imo. I've seen both those guys go late in a few mocks due to fit.

I like Kyle Van Noy a bit more than Shazier at this point, lots more to be watched/discussed of course.

Not a big fan of Ebron in the first round. Not physical enough in traffic/tight spaces, imo, not a good blocker. Amaro and Niklas are #1 picks, though.

 

Thanks VL. Kid looks like a stud. I agree he likely won't last until #19. Especially if he has a good combine. And, I disagree with those that think we don't need him because of Clay. Don't get me wrong, I like Clay. A lot. Especially after the Pitt game. But, you get a kid like Ebron to pair with him and this offense is instantly better. Particularly in the red zone.

Then again, maybe Egnew will finally develop into the TE prospect Ireland thought he was when he invested a third round pick on him?

 

I'm assuming you meant to put Mosley in your gone by our pick list. What about a Stephen Tuitt?

 

Nope.

C.J. Mosley might be the flavor of the day for whatever reason but I still have Shayne Skov higher and I'm not sure I would take either one at 19 overall.

I like Stephon Tuitt but I still have to look into him more before I decide he's a guy that could take the place of a Randy Starks. Tuitt played DE.

 

I can't imagine Khalil Mack or Kyle Van Noy are likely picks. I don't think you can pick them as replacements for the positions Wheeler/Ellerbe play, and the team already has a lot of quality edge defenders. The team moved away from having an edge linebacker this year to the detriment of Koa Misi, and if anyone Dion Jordan should be utilized there.

Even if the team were to switch to a 3-4, you're really quite deep at quality OLB.

 

ESPN's Scout's Inc. has Morgan Moses at #25 overall. I think that Draft Tek had him going in the 3rd round, but whatever, just opinions like yours or mine. I think that I like Moses over Taylor Lewan from what I've seen so far, need to watch more film.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft

That being said, I took a good look at Moses and what I see is a 6-6 330 lb. thumper, excellent power, rock solid hand punch, moves the pile forward and he has surprisingly good feet. Good enough player that I'm looking at him as a LT who certainly has the talent and size to be a RT in the NFL. Impressive player, I'd be happy to have him.

#19 overall doesn't seem like a great slot to me, maybe a good year to slide down especially if the FO has a conviction on one or more other OTs in a deep OT draft class.

1. Morgan Moses
2. Kyle Van Noy/Christian Jones
3. CJ Fiedorowicz
4. Santreal Henderson

I really wouldn't mind carpet bombing our crappy OL in the draft, and that would include two OTs that have been mentioned on this site, Billy Turner and Wesley Johnson, and also OG Jon Halapio from UF. Look at Mewhort, Martin and James RT, Sean Hicky LT. So many there, someone should fall to a value spot.

Everyone has their opinion, mine is that to get this team in gear the O-line and LB crew must be rebuilt. I really, really don't like Wheeler or Ellerbe especially at their high salaries. Get a freaking stud OG in FA with that money. Jordan to OLB, figure out if Misi stays at SOLB of goes to the middle and replace the other LB. Personally, if Van Noy or Christian Jones falls to #46 I'd be all over that. Jordan and Jones or Van Noy outside with Misi in the middle, that's some fire power and athleticism.

Jone is very intriguing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42tPU2PerxU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Stfji-Xflk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQTs2hHaxC8

Of course it remains to be seen what we do in FA, but I'd be surprised if we don't draft at least 2 OL, and if we took 4 I'd be fine with that, the position is a mess. But please draft for OL WELL, and better off imo doing that without Jeff Ireland, his track record there speaks for itself. Forget about Jake Long #1 overall and Mike Pouncy, the highest drafted Center in decades. They were layups, no feathers in Ireland's cap there.

 

Johnny Manziel!

 

You're thinking of Khalil Mack as having to be a 3-4 outside linebacker or some kind of rush linebacker. I think that's a mistake.

He would actually fit well in Wheeler's role.

Kyle Van Noy I agree is more of a rusher type.

 

I don't think you'd want to take a Morgan Moses all the way at #19 overall.

He's got a MASSIVE frame and build. He's a cave troll. You really have a tough time getting around him because he's so big and has such long arms and is just so naturally heavy set.

But at the same time, you do need to guard his outside shoulder against speed because he's vulnerable there. He's not quick. And he's certainly not a good run blocker. He's a plodder, galumphing around with that massive frame.

He's all about the initial set and the initial kick slide. Real hard to defeat that way. But don't count on him to stick to anyone after the initial part is done, or to get out into space and find anyone.

He's got really good potential if a good coach can teach him and he can develop into his own body.

I will add that I can see why fans of a team that just had Bryant McKinnie sweep in and play the left tackle position way, way better than Jonathan Martin would like the look of Morgan Moses. He essentially is Bryant McKinnie. If you run a rhythm offense with a pocket passer and everything is all about protecting the integrity of the pocket for that 3.0 seconds, and you're not a run-heavy offense, then I think Morgan Moses is going to appeal to you. Also reminds me of King Dunlap.

 

I don't think he's necessarily a rush linebacker, but I think he's a 7/9-technique type guy. His run defense game is basically attacking upfield, and I don't know if you can expect to get a good true linebacker out of that.

 

Speaking of draft...

Is it me..or was Philbin almost stubborn in how he used this past years draft class. In all my years of watching football, I can never remember a team just almost refusing to put drafted players into the lineup. Was Dion Jordan really THAT bad in run defense? I saw that kid make some great plays...when he played.

Do you think there was some agenda to this....? If Ireland's draft looked great, instead of....non existant...would there be more of a desire by Ross to keep him. We have heard of a rift between the front office and Philbin. I think Philbin might just be stubborn enough to actually do this.

 

Well, I would disagree with most of that. I wouldn't call him a plodder and I think that he's a much better run blocker than you give him credit for. He lunges, overextends his reach sometimes, that I'm not a fan of, but he certainly can get set and take care of business up front. I saw way better movement and second level blocking than you're referring to- I'm not going to go through all the clips again to prove a point, but I do remember at the very beginning of one clip he did a great job of riding the DE or OLB way out wide to the sideline, very good movement skills, and here at 10:18 he does a good job of kicking out wide and getting on the Oregon OLB in a hurry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISww9sWRRBM

Actually, I noticed early on that he gets to the second level pretty darned well for a monster OT, totally disagree with you on that one. Look at 1:00 of the clip above at how quickly and effectivley he gets on the OLB beyond the LOS as the play develops. You describe him as a plodding troll, and he isn't. You missed the boat here.

Here's Rob Rang's assessment of Moses in that Oregon game:

"Moses showed good initial quickness and was smooth in his kick-step despite his inexperience dropping from the left side. He caught defenders with his long, strong arms and protected the edge nicely, giving Virginia quarterback David Watford enough time to scan the field throughout this game. His only hiccup in pass protection, in fact, ironically came when he was leaning too far left, allowing a counter-move from Washington to slip between he and left guard Luke Bowanko.

As one might expect given his bulk, Moses is a powerful drive blocker in the running game. He's also surprisingly quick to the second-level, showing enough foot-speed to latch onto linebackers. Moses' block of athletic outside linebacker Boseko Lokombo, in fact, provided the lane through which running back Khalek Shepherd scampered 45 yards for Virginia's only touchdown of the game."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...ed-loss-virginia-ot-morgan-moses-boosts-grade

Btw that play that Rang is referring to is at 2:10- plodding troll OTs don't kick out wide so quickly on OLBs like that and clear a path for big runs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISww9sWRRBM

To each his own. Moses isn't Joe Thomas, he's not Jake Long and he doesn't have the feet of a D'Brickashaw Ferguson. But what he is imo is a darned solid OT, much better than you give him credit for. Again, I could see him playing LT or RT, not sure. I like his feet especially at his size, but that is one big dude to go up against a Robert Mathis or someone like that. At RT he'd be solid in pass pro and a much better run blocker than you indicate, imo of course.

 

God please no.....just no. Even if we didn't have a QB I'd say no....

 

A lot of talk about Ebron in here. I like Ebron, he's very athletic and he gets a lot of run after the catch which is something the Dolphins are sorely lacking in. He definitely has hands issues which is something you'll notice if you watch his targets and not just highlights. But I think for the Dolphins' offense you need a bigger TE because Ebron is only running about 6'4" and there really isn't a lot of height on this Dolphins team right now.

I think that's where Jace Amaro comes in (if he decides to declare) or if you really just want to go for it...just go for Mike Evans. If you really want someone in the mold of Ebron - slightly shorter but with good YAC and speed just go Richard Rodgers for better value later in the draft. In all likelihood Ebron is going to be overdrafted because of the type of athletic numbers he'll put up.

 

Fiedorowicz

 

OT cyrus ohandijio (sp)
Ot greg robinson
Lb cj mosely

 

I agree with Rob Rang's assessment, especially his entire first paragraph. Moses in addition to being vulnerable on the outside to guys strong enough to counter his hands, also is vulnerable consistently on the inside post leg...and that's something he'll need to work on probably even more than his outside vulnerability. I also agree with Rob Rang that you wouldn't really expect much from him moving out into space but that his initial quickness to get out there is better than the naturally low expectations you'd have. I would disagree with Rang if he suggested that the few blocks that Moses did manage to successfully execute out in space make him good in that regard, especially relative to competing prospects. But Rang didn't necessarily say that.

 

Yeah it looks like Eric Ebron is the flavor of the day here. Personally I think he's too ketchup vs. ketchup with Charles Clay, who is another athletic pseudo wide receiver that can't block worth a damn, is prone to drops and might be a little short to be considered an ideal seam threat.

I'm sure you already know that like you I'm also very big on Jace Amaro. I wonder if Troy Niklas comes out. If he does he's up there with Amaro for me, perhaps even above him.

 

You know I noticed you had mentioned Troy Niklas earlier in the year, but hadn't watched much of him. I saw a good chunk of him versus Rutgers the other day and he looked great. I think he's exactly what this TE class needs ala an Eifert...a guy who has good size, blocks well, is strong and is a red zone threat. Would love to see him come out.

 

I'm not a fan of overthinking this. Benjamin is a beast, Ebron is a beast. Get Ebron if Benjamin is off the board. It's not complicated.
I doubt Ebron will be available at 19. Benjamin may. Beasts over good players.

 

Benjamin would make our Redzone offense immediately one of the most feared in the league. The dude is a monster. 4.5-4.6 speed is good for a 6-6 235 pound WR. Would easily be a compliment to Wallace's speed. He flat out makes plays that he has no business making. Fins could do much, much worse.

He is Gronk with better route running and a touch faster.

 

He's pretty much far and away the best blocking tight end in college football. He's a former defensive end and he blocks like an offensive lineman. He's easily as physical as a defensive end.

It's one of those things where at some point you do have to go to the basics. This is a HUGE guy that is built really, really well for the size. He's very strong. He catches the ball very naturally outside of his frame. He loves physicality and it's not a big deal to him. There's nothing distracting to him about operating in a physical space and so he is able to push off and get open, catch the ball with guys draped around him, break tackles with ease, etc. Then on top of that he's really very fast. Add that to his blocking prowess and he's pretty much the prototype.

Here's his pass plays from this year, excluding the USC and Michigan games (since Draft Breakdown did videos of those two games):

[video=youtube;UC6M0SbNReM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC6M0SbNReM[/video]

Here are his USC and Michigan games (where you can get a better feel for his blocking):

[video=youtube;h6mdq9bsjTg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=h6mdq9bsjTg[/video]
[video=youtube;1g10YtM1Qjk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1g10YtM1Qjk[/video]

 

I fail to see how it's really overthinking to evaluate players' strengths and weaknesses.

 

True story, that's exactly how NFL teams grade draftable players

1. Beastmode
2. Beast
3. Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde (sometimes beast)
4. Beauty and the Beast (boom or bust beast)
5. Not a beast

 

Is it too early for a guard? Maybe Cyril Richardson, Gabe Jackson, or a Zach Martin

 

I personally think so, unless that guard has unique qualities. Some may not agree.