1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Tannehill "lost confidence" in his OC Mike Sherman...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by SICK, Dec 30, 2013.

  1. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Yards per attempt: 31st
    Yards: 10th
    Comp pct: 24th
    TD passes: 12th
    Ints: 7th most or 35th fewest
    Passes dropped: 10th most
    Sacks: 1st
    Passer Rating: 27th
     
    Rhody Phins Fan likes this.
  2. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

    20,810
    8,965
    0
    Jan 7, 2008
    Hollywood, Florida
    Hmm. Took my info there from another post, so ill back down on that.

    Still though I can easily recall about 7 INTS that weren't his fault and another handful in garbage time. So that is highly misleading.
     
  3. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I'd guess other QBs also had the same things happen in regards to some of their ints too.
     
    ASOT likes this.
  4. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

    20,810
    8,965
    0
    Jan 7, 2008
    Hollywood, Florida
    Sure, but there were an abundance of balls off receivers hands and being hit as he threw making the ball come off funny leading to interceptiond. Possibly more than I've ever seen. At least than I can remember in previous seasons.

    Its not a huge debate anyway. Stats are nice but ultimately meaningless without context. RGIII is a great example. Great year last season stat wise...but I've never seen a QB do less and be successful. I can't remember him making a single read and nost of his passes were screens and slants.

    Just an example of what I mean by context in this case.
     
  5. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

    15,886
    8,901
    113
    Dec 21, 2007
    NY
    I really see very little reason to be concerned w RT if you watched all his games this year. Aside from whatever happens at OC and assuming the OL is fixed.

    Clear progression despite a lot of very bad happenings that were beyond his control.
     
    Killer Bees, ASOT and Rocky Raccoon like this.
  6. dolfan40

    dolfan40 Well-Known Member

    819
    311
    63
    Jul 15, 2013
    Germany
    Btw where is up tempo offense philbin wanted to install when he was hired
     
    PhinFan1968 and ASOT like this.
  7. smhemi

    smhemi Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    165
    91
    28
    Dec 8, 2007
    3 and outs with this defense forgetaboutit.
     
  8. fins4o8

    fins4o8 Mac FTW!

    5,597
    574
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    Probably because all the detailed orientied advanced data analyzied shows that we don't need it. /endsarcasm
     
    mi2cents likes this.
  9. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

    38,949
    20,033
    113
    Nov 28, 2007
    Pembroke Pines, FL
    This is something I've been asking too. The offense we have is the opposite of what we were promised. There is no balance, and it's not fast-paced. Granted, we have one of the least athletic OLs in the NFL, but it shouldn't be too much to ask for some no huddle or quick snaps for a couple of series per game, at least.
     
    NyPhinfan, cdz12250 and djphinfan like this.
  10. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

    42,442
    24,982
    113
    Jul 6, 2012
    NC
    That sounds nice in theory...... until you actually WATCH Foles play. Those skill players around him were able to have the types of season they did BECAUSE of how great Foles played.
    9 of McCoy's 11 TDs were with Foles.
    7 of Cooper's 8 TDs came WITH Foles; he was nothing the first 4 games with Vick.
    Celek & Ertz combined for 9 TDs with Foles.... but just 1 w/o him.


    Foles has a markedly better feel for the game at this stage, better pocket awareness and utilization of it, better decision making, crisper accuracy, and he doesn't need anyone making excuses for an inability to convert the deep ball as he's got 8 TDs on throws of 30+ yards with a completion rate of 50%, and that's not even from a full season. That's 1 TD every 2.5 throws of 30+. Tannehill on the other hand had 2 TDs with 24% completions on 29 attempts [1 TD per 14.5 attempts] on throws of 30+. We'd be in the playoffs right now if Tannehill were just half as sharp on his deep ball as Foles.

    Obviously the talent around Foles was strong enough to allow him to achieve his full potential but you're kidding yourself if you think Tannehill would've posted a league-leading 119 QBR, a league-leading 9.12 yards per attempt, a league-leading TD percentage, a league-leading INT percentage, and a 7 TD game if he had the same group. Hell, if Tannehill hit Wallace as often as Foles did Jackson, Mike would have 1200 yards and 10 TDs and people would be praising his phenomenal season rather than blaming him for not being able to make up for his QB's vertical ineptitude. And I'm saying this as a Tannehill fan.
     
  11. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,648
    67,540
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    I lost all confidence in Sherman, and some in Tannehill.

    I questioned his philosophies all season with this qbs skillset..to be adamant that his " he's gonna be a pocket Qb " philosophy, and literally showing us he meant what he said by total constriction to the pocket, got his *** fired.
     
  12. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

    42,442
    24,982
    113
    Jul 6, 2012
    NC
    I know Deej, that's just ridiculous. I'm not sure how anyone thinks standing there and either taking an eminent sack or forcing an ill-advised throw under heavy pressure is more conducive to developing pocket ability than learning when and how to use your feet to both avoid doom and extend drives. If anything it serves to detract from his overall feel for the game, not improve it; meanwhile learning how to use his feet will only improve his feel for the game and understanding of how to better manipulate the pocket and find his passing lanes.
     
  13. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,648
    67,540
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    You know what makes it ridiculous...when you don't have an oline that can create a pocket for which the Qb can function within that philosophy, and when you have a Qb that is extraordinary on the run, to both sides...
     
    Colorado Dolfan and ToddPhin like this.
  14. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

    5,185
    2,907
    113
    Sep 22, 2009
    delaware
    Whatever dude.Mike vick qb rating was 86.6 playing with the same supporting cast in the 7 games he played.This offence took off when foles became the starter and if you don't see that your blind.
    Foles has better pocket presence and without question he can hit the deepball two things tannehill struggles with.Tannehill looks good one week and ****s the bed another and thats why we are 8-8.
    This kills me to say because I hate the ****ing eagles and lost two sure bets(or so I thought) to eagles fans on who would have the better record.Nick foles is the reason I lost.
     
  15. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

    5,126
    3,241
    113
    Dec 12, 2007
    Foles undoubtedly has a better supporting cast, but boy, has he taken full advantage of it.

    EDIT*

    And not all great QBs have a great cast. We know from our own Marino. Great QBs do not come around for franchises often. When they do, the team pays to keep 'em. Remember Marino's "record-breaking" contract? I was a kid, but I remember it. $25M is a drop in the bucket these days.

    I am not down on Tannehill. I think his knee was more of an issue than he let on. It was his left knee, which is on his pivot leg. Was it me, or did some of his throws seem more off than usual last Sunday? Could he really 'step into' his throws without tenderness?

    Also, the hits from the season had to have some effect on a young QBs confidence. Getting hit like he did in Buffalo brought him back to possibly a loss in confidence in his time to make proper progressions. With that, his receiving corps did not help him out on some of the nicer throws.

    I am sold on him being THIS franchise's QB. Not sold on him being any franchise's QB....
     
    Fin-Omenal likes this.
  16. Rhody Phins Fan

    Rhody Phins Fan Well-Known Member

    4,348
    1,436
    113
    Jan 14, 2009
    Like crazy but I wouldn't be surprised if this is Foles' best season of his career. If it's not, then he'll go down as the greatest QB of all time.
     
  17. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

    3,893
    3,087
    113
    Mar 6, 2010
    You may be right and it's hard to argue against all the evidence that supports your argument. I never argued that RTH is better or would be better.

    My point is that RTH has a pretty weak supporting cast around him. Football is a team sport. It's much easier for a QB to be successful when they have a good OL and a good running game around them(Wilson, Foles, RTH does not). A good team, including a good offense, makes everyone around them better.

    A successful running game and good running backs makes an offenses life so much easier. For one, play action passes actually get taken seriously and get players open. Two, those running backs put an offense in situations that make it easier to convert first downs. They also allow for more red zone production. Good running backs also can be a safety valve for a QB under duress or they can pick up a blitz. Our offense failed in all those areas.

    Who are our red zone threats? Rb's that are ineffective, 2 short WR's and an inconsistent TE. Our best red zone threats, Keller and Gibson, were injured early in the year.

    RTH definitely needs to improve his pocket awareness and his deep ball accuracy. It's hard to say how much of his pocket awareness is a result of getting abused from every direction all season long. RTH was sacked 58 times, hit 51 times, including getting murdered several times and was hurried 130 times. His deep ball accuracy definitely cost us 4-6 TD's this year. That's the difference between the playoffs and 8-8. There is no making excuses for that. It HAS to get better or we basically wasted our money on Wallace.

    I'm going to reserve my judgement until we find a GM who can build a decent OL and bring in some RB's that can take a little pressure off of our QB. That doesn't make RTH's deep ball any better but it at least evens out the field against some of the QB's we like to compare RTH against.
     
    Rhody Phins Fan and Colmax like this.
  18. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

    5,126
    3,241
    113
    Dec 12, 2007
    You know, we see this from time-to-time. Let's see what Kelly's offense does in the next couple of years. Is Foles the real deal or just another QB?

    Having the talent he has around him certainly does not hurt his chances of continuing his stellar play.
     
  19. ASOT

    ASOT New Member

    4,870
    306
    0
    Mar 29, 2013
    Coral Gables, FL
    ask the general manager why he has failed to provide Philbin and Tannehill with the pieces they need to succeed. He's had 2 seasons to do it, now some on this board want to give him a 3rd. Do you realize that many QBs play 7 or 8 years as a starter. If Ireland wastes yet one more year of Tannehill we may only have 5 more years of his service. Brutal, just brutal and yet there are people on here that just don't want change.

    I'm beginning to believe the radical notion that they are secret Jets & Pats fans and here to enjoy our misery.
     
  20. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

    53,148
    31,935
    113
    Nov 23, 2007
    Katy, TX
    I don't think anyone here wants Ireland to stay, though I few people don't mind if it happens today, tomorrow, or next week, so long as it happens before an decisions about players get made.
     
  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,648
    67,540
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    I think that's all fair, he needs a good oline and a great back and that third year to make that jump to see just where his ceiling is.
     
    PhinsRock likes this.
  22. gandalfin

    gandalfin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    3,829
    1,018
    113
    Dec 10, 2007
    Kissimmee, Florida
    As crappy as Ellerbe and Wheeler and our run defense played this past year, I would leave it alone and put everything into improving our offense. If we had a high powered offense, our defense is good enough for a whole lot of wins, IMO.
     
  23. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

    7,760
    3,486
    113
    Sep 4, 2010
    Maui, Hawaii
    According to the latest quarterback ratings (QBR), Tannehill ended the season as the 26th overall rated QB in the NFL. So based on those ratings, it would appear that he isn't even average this time but below average.

    So you take your stats, and I'll take the QBR stats. When you average them out, he is nothing but a very average NFL quarterback at this time. Hopefully he will improve next year, but right now, he is what he is.
     
  24. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

    53,148
    31,935
    113
    Nov 23, 2007
    Katy, TX
    At least use passer rating instead of that garbage rating that faults Tannehill for having the worst OL in the league. You'd still be able to say Tannehill was below average at 24 of 37 qualifiers.
     
  25. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    Sherman must go, YES, PLEASE.
     
    PhinFan1968 likes this.
  26. fin13

    fin13 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    1,695
    1,237
    113
    May 29, 2009
    Waterloo
    Remember RGIII last year you can't compare their offence to the Fins bull****.
     
  27. Arodgers12

    Arodgers12 Well-Known Member

    992
    1,384
    113
    Oct 18, 2010
    Sherman blows. I really think Green Bay would have won the super bowl in 2003 if It wasn't for his playcalling. Not going for it on 4th and 1 against then Eagles at their 41 yard line up 17-14 with 2:55 seconds to go in the divisional playoff game in Philly and punting instead really told me the guy was awful. Then of course we gave up a 4th and 26 the series after. He lasted two more seasons in GB with the last season being a 4-12 season when Favre threw 29 interceptions. Like I said before Favre was so good most of those years Sherman was coach that he covered up how bad of a coach Sherman was. I hope Miami gets rid of him. Philbin I believe is a good coach for you guys. I would love to him back in GB. I am happy he is helping out another team I would love to see do well though.
     
    Ducken and maynard like this.
  28. dullfandan

    dullfandan Active Member

    542
    130
    43
    Sep 15, 2013
    Charlotte N.C.
    I hate sherm jes as much as everybody but if tann has been saying things trying to push sherm out I think that's not great news.. Yes please fire sherm, tomorrow.. Tann needs to shut his mouth and play the game, sherm put the ball in his hand 75% of every game! even when we were winning.. If anything tann should be thanking sherm for the opportunity to throw it so much.. But like I said, sherm has to go... Tann, stay in your place, it's not your call, you do your job and let Ross do his...
     
  29. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

    20,810
    8,965
    0
    Jan 7, 2008
    Hollywood, Florida

    With our line I don't think thanking him is what he should be doing.
     
  30. MikeHoncho

    MikeHoncho -=| Censored |=-

    52,652
    25,565
    113
    Nov 13, 2009
    Btw, congrats on winning the division! Hope the pack make a deep run into the postseason.

    Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 4
     
  31. LiferYank

    LiferYank New Member

    3,088
    765
    0
    Oct 1, 2012
    Part of how to learn how to be a pocket passer is to have a pocket to pass from....
     
    MikeHoncho likes this.

Share This Page